Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...

8700k Microcode Updates / Planned obsolescence. Cinebench r15, Win11

Win11 8700k 5GHz, without Microcode Updates:

win11NoMCU.thumb.jpg.2d8c337ba96e8151037304bbdd8ee5c7.jpg

 

Winn11 8700k 5GHz, with Microcode Updates:

Win11MCU.thumb.jpg.2a717ca9bc021ecafd2e667e340a721a.jpg

 

Without running custom timer, via timer resolution tool (as service) The difference is even bigger. Straight stock installation w/o tweaking my 8700k gets around 1600points, disabling the mcu boosts it to 1670points. The difference is worth about 200-300mhz in performance. Last time ive did a comparison the impact to the performance of the Microcode update wasnt as big. 

So is it the Win11 Scheduler, or is it planned obsolescence? What do you think?

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

That is 2% difference. I dont even consider anything less than 10% noticeable or relevant in any benchmark. There is nothing here that resembles any sort of planned obsolescence, it is just your OCD talking.

mY s YsTeM iS Not pErfoRmInG aS gOOd As I sAW oN yOuTuBe. WhA t IS a GoOd FaN CuRVe??!!? wHat aRe tEh GoOd OvERclok SeTTinGS FoR My CaRd??
 HoW CaN I foRcE my GpU to uSe 1o0%? BuT WiLL i HaVE Bo0tllEnEcKs? RyZEN dOeS NoT peRfORm BetTer wItH HiGhER sPEED RaM!!dId i WiN teH SiLiCON LotTerrYyOu ShoUlD dEsHrOuD uR GPUmy SYstEm iS UNDerPerforMiNg iN WarzONEcan mY Pc Run WiNdOwS 11 ?woUld BaKInG MY GRaPHics card fIX it?
 MultimETeR TeSTiNG!! aMd'S GpU DrIvErS aRe as goOD aS NviDia's
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Levent said:

That is 2% difference. I dont even consider anything less than 10% noticeable or relevant in any benchmark. There is nothing here that resembles any sort of planned obsolescence, it is just your OCD talking.

not good in math huh? 1693/100=16.93 difference: 61/16.93= 3.60%
And 10% difference not relevant? 10% difference is the difference worth of 500Mhz, so you say you dont care if you get the performance of 4500mhz vs 5000mhz? 

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

not good in math huh? 1693/100=16.93 difference: 61/16.93= 3.60%
And 10% difference not relevant? 10% difference is the difference worth of 500Mhz, so you say you dont care if you get the performance of 4500mhz vs 5000mhz? 

I don't see this 10% difference anywere. A 1693 to 1632 drop is a drop of (1632 - 1693) / 1693 = 3.6%. An increase from 1600 to 1670 is (1670 - 1600) / 1600 = 4.4%. That increase is not trustworthy anyway, because you say "around 1600", but when we are talking about scores that literally differ by only dozens you need a more precise number than "around". Finally, because runs can vary you need to do like 10 runs on each setting to get an average score and a feel for the natural spread in scores.

 

25 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

or is it planned obsolescence?

No. Can people stop throwing this term around for every single thing that breaks or loses a small bit of performance? It's becoming the new bottlenecking.

Crystal: CPU: i7 7700K | Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z270F | RAM: GSkill 16 GB@3200MHz | GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE | Case: Corsair Crystal 570X (black) | Storage: 250 GB Crucial BX100 SSD + 2 TB Seagate HDD + 1TB WD Green + 3TB WD Red | PSU: EVGA Supernova G2 1000W | Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24"

Laptop: Dell XPS 13 9370 | CPU: i5 10510U | RAM: 16 GB

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

I am just wondering why CBR-15? 

 

The benchmark is easily manipulated. So 3% is really nothing to worry about.

- If it ain't broken, don't fix it! - - Your post codes and beep codes in the drop down below -

Competitive Benching Team - Warp9-Systems 

Save the old OC forums just by reading old school tec

https://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/index.php

They have the best F@H stats too. 

Spoiler

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

not good in math huh? 1693/100=16.93 difference: 61/16.93= 3.60%
And 10% difference not relevant? 10% difference is the difference worth of 500Mhz.

Yes, 3.6% is as pointless as 2% gains unless you are playing the numbers game. Increase is CPU clocks does not mean in equal increases in scores. 

30 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

so you say you dont care if you get the performance of 4500mhz vs 5000mhz? 

If performance scales with the overclock, I would, if it doesnt I wouldnt. I gain less than 5% in CB15 scores with 200mhz overclock while having 15% more vcore, 20% more power consumption.

mY s YsTeM iS Not pErfoRmInG aS gOOd As I sAW oN yOuTuBe. WhA t IS a GoOd FaN CuRVe??!!? wHat aRe tEh GoOd OvERclok SeTTinGS FoR My CaRd??
 HoW CaN I foRcE my GpU to uSe 1o0%? BuT WiLL i HaVE Bo0tllEnEcKs? RyZEN dOeS NoT peRfORm BetTer wItH HiGhER sPEED RaM!!dId i WiN teH SiLiCON LotTerrYyOu ShoUlD dEsHrOuD uR GPUmy SYstEm iS UNDerPerforMiNg iN WarzONEcan mY Pc Run WiNdOwS 11 ?woUld BaKInG MY GRaPHics card fIX it?
 MultimETeR TeSTiNG!! aMd'S GpU DrIvErS aRe as goOD aS NviDia's
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, tikker said:

I don't see this 10% difference anywere. A 1693 to 1632 drop is a drop of (1632 - 1693) / 1693 = 3.6%. An increase from 1600 to 1670 is (1670 - 1600) / 1600 = 4.4%. That increase is not trustworthy anyway, because you say "around 1600", but when we are talking about scores that literally differ by only dozens you need a more precise number than "around". Finally, because runs can vary you need to do like 10 runs on each setting to get an average score and a feel for the natural spread in scores.

i asked @levent if he is alright with a 10% difference. Not stated anywhere that it is a 10% difference, please read before making things up, i also did the math in my previous post. Thank you.

 

19 minutes ago, tikker said:

No. Can people stop throwing this term around for every single thing that breaks or loses a small bit of performance? It's becoming the new bottlenecking.

well if the performance decreases unreasonably more and more over time due to updates that is what its called.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I am just wondering why CBR-15? 

 

The benchmark is easily manipulated. So 3% is really nothing to worry about.

CBR-15 because i used it previously often, so i can compare more easily for myself. Thats the only reason.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Nothing burger.

 

While I understand the impulse to be upset by a drop in performance, I really don't see this as a big deal at all. If you never ran the benchmark, you never would have noticed.

BabyBlu (Primary Rig): 

  • CPU: Intel Core i9 9900K @ up to 5.3Ghz, 5.0Ghz all-core
  • Motherboard: Asus Maximus XI Hero
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4x8GB DDR4-3200 @ 4000Mhz 16-18-18-34
  • GPU: MSI RTX 2080 Sea Hawk EK X, 2070Mhz core, 8000Mhz mem
  • Case: Phanteks Evolv X
  • Storage: XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB NVME, 3x ADATA Ultimate SU800 1TB (RAID 0), Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB NVME
  • PSU: Corsair HX1000i
  • Display: MSI MPG341CQR 34" 3440x1440 200Hz(OC) Freesync, Dell S2417DG 24" 2560x1440 165Hz Gsync
  • Cooling: Custom water loop (CPU & GPU), Radiators: 1x140mm(Back), 1x280mm(Top), 1x420mm(Front)
  • Keyboard: Corsair Strafe RGB (Cherry MX Brown)
  • Mouse: MasterMouse MM710
  • Headset: Corsair Void Pro RGB
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

Roxanne (Wife Build):

  • CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ Per Core 5.0Ghz - 5.0Ghz - 4.9Ghz - 4.8Ghz, Cache @ 4.6Ghz, relidded with LM TIM
  • Motherboard: Asus Z97A
  • RAM: G.Skill Sniper 4x8GB DDR3-2400 @ 10-12-12-24
  • GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 with LM TIM
  • Case: Corsair Vengeance C70, With Custom Side-Panel Window
  • Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Samsung 860 EVO 1TB, Silicon Power A80 1TB NVME
  • PSU: Corsair AX760
  • Display: Samsung C27JG56 27" 2560x1440 144Hz Freesync
  • Cooling: Corsair H115i RGB
  • Keyboard: GMMK TKL(Kailh Box White)
  • Mouse: Glorious Model O-
  • Headset: SteelSeries Arctis 7
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro

BlackBox (HTPC):

  • CPU: Intel Pentium G4600 (Kaby Lake)
  • Motherboard: Asus H110T/CSM Thin Mini-ITX
  • RAM: G.Skill 1x8GB DDR4-2400 SO-DIMM CL16
  • GPU: HD 630
  • Case: Akasa Euler Fanless Solid Aluminum THIN Mini ITX Case (passively cooled)
  • Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
  • PSU: External 120W Power Adaptor
  • Display: 4K TV
  • Cooling: Passively cooled by the Akasa case. No moving parts!
  • Keyboard/Mouse: Handheld QWERTY keyboard and trackpad.
  • OS: Windows 10 Pro, Kodi autostarts on boot

NAS:

  • Synology DS216J
  • 2x8TB WD Red NAS HDDs in RAID 1. 8TB usable space
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

While I understand the impulse to be upset by a drop in performance, I really don't see this as a big deal at all. If you never ran the benchmark, you never would have noticed.

yea well regardless im not running the updates anyways, cause they dont fullfill any purpose successfully. Just wanted to point out that the performance hit is getting bigger and bigger.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

33 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

i asked @levent if he is alright with a 10% difference. Not stated anywhere that it is a 10% difference, please read before making things up, i also did the math in my previous post. Thank you.

Well you are the one making up this 10% difference. No point in asking if someone is ok with a 10% difference if there is none. [edit] ah ok, I see, this is about whether someone considers 10% relevant. Missed that.[/edit]

 

You should run multiple tests on either scenario as well to actually quantifiy this difference.

33 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

well if the performance decreases unreasonably more and more over time due to updates that is what its called.

No. We've seen from the metldown and spectre fixes that it's not unlikely for security updates to have an impact on performance. That's not planned obsolescence, that's unfortunate reality. I don't know what's in this specific microcode update, but be glad Intel prefers to push a (security) update knowing there's a performance hit versus not fixing it out of fear for a vocal minority being angry about a few % performance hit that most likely will only be noticeable in benchmarks.

Crystal: CPU: i7 7700K | Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z270F | RAM: GSkill 16 GB@3200MHz | GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE | Case: Corsair Crystal 570X (black) | Storage: 250 GB Crucial BX100 SSD + 2 TB Seagate HDD + 1TB WD Green + 3TB WD Red | PSU: EVGA Supernova G2 1000W | Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24"

Laptop: Dell XPS 13 9370 | CPU: i5 10510U | RAM: 16 GB

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

CBR-15 because i used it previously often, so i can compare more easily for myself. Thats the only reason.

All good, was only curious.

 

I also am running W11 on 8700K (without the TPM bullshit) but I can say there's no real loss in performance from W10 while Winblows 10 is horrible for legacy benchmarking (IMO of course)

- If it ain't broken, don't fix it! - - Your post codes and beep codes in the drop down below -

Competitive Benching Team - Warp9-Systems 

Save the old OC forums just by reading old school tec

https://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/index.php

They have the best F@H stats too. 

Spoiler

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

One benchmark is meaningless for determining a performance difference. Also, I would guess that the microcode update is to deal with potential flaws (Spectre/Meltdown style) and that in order to maintain stability while mitigating those issues, the clocks have to drop a bit. That's not planned obsolescence, that's just the reality of such fixes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, tikker said:

No. We've seen from the metldown and spectre fixes that it's not unlikely for security updates to have an impact on performance. That's not planned obsolescence, that's unfortunate reality. I don't know what's in this specific microcode update, but be glad Intel prefers to push a (security) update knowing there's a performance hit versus not fixing it out of fear for a vocal minority being angry about a few % performance hit that most likely will only be noticeable in benchmarks.

well im not having a problem with them trying to fix security, im having a problem with taking a performance hit while the security updates are insufficient with no choice/option to use or not use them, you cant deactivate those security features unless you modify stuff.

 

The less educated and less experienced user is quite "forced" to run this placebo updates at the cost of performance and this is what it makes morally reprehensible. But thats overall a different topic in itself.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

well im not having a problem with them trying to fix security, im having a problem with taking a performance hit while the security updates are insufficient with no choice/option to use or not use them, you cant deactivate those security features unless you modify stuff.

 

The less educated and less experienced user is quite "forced" to run this placebo updates at the cost of performance and this is what it makes morally reprehensible. But thats overall a different topic in itself.

Taking a 3% performance hit in an application that no one uses anymore for the sake of improving security is the last thing I would label as "morally reprehensible." And, frankly, a less experienced user would never even notice such an insignificant performance hit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Taking a 3% performance hit in an application that no one uses anymore for the sake of improving security is the last thing I would label as "morally reprehensible." And, frankly, a less experienced user would never even notice such an insignificant performance hit.

well "placebo" security, there is no point in creating security where the vulnerability is only present when the attacker already has to have full access over your PC in some sort. Also useless if an attacker knows all my passwords and everything is protected via 2fa / tokens. So its not real "security" its just placebo.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

well "placebo" security, there is no point in creating security where the vulnerability is only present when the attacker already has to have full access over your PC in some sort. Also useless if an attacker knows all my passwords and everything is protected via 2fa / tokens. So its not real "security" its just placebo.

Are you claiming that Intel fabricated or exaggerated the need for this update to give them an excuse to handicap one of their own products?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, YoungBlade said:

Are you claiming that Intel fabricated or exaggerated the need for this update to give them an excuse to handicap one of their own products?

No, im saying i want officially the choice of weither i use security updates or not. I bought a product based on its performance, and i dont want its performance to be forcefully reduced via software for reasons that i dont care about. All i want is an "on/off" button.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Every time there's a security fix we lose a little.

 

This is old news by now.

 

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

My System: i9-10900KF 5.1-5.3ghz @ 1.375v // Corsair iCUE H150i Elite Capellix // Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite AX // 32GB (4x8) Crucial Ballistix Elite DDR4 4000/CL18 // ASUS RTX 3080 TUF OC // Corsair 5000D Airflow // Corsair SP120 RGB Pro x7 // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w //1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/2TB Seagate 7200RPM Hard Drive // Displays: LG Ultragear 32GP83B/Lenovo L24Q-30/Lenovo L24Q-30 // Glorious GMMK TKL // Corsair Harpoon Wireless // Corsair H70 Gaming Headset

 

Wife's System: i9-9900K Stock // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200 // ASUS KO RTX 3070 // Cooler Master Master Box NR400 ODD // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: LG Ultragear 27GL83A-B/AOC AGON AG241QX/ASUS VG248QE // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Corsair Harpoon Wireless // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: i7-8700K 5.0ghz All-core delidded @1.375v // Deepcool Gamerstorm Assassin III // Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 // XFX 5700XT RAW II // Corsair 275R Airflow // Corsair 650M Vengeance 650w // Intel 660P 1TB NVME M.2 SSD/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

TV Gamer 2: Intel i3-10100 // ASRock H410M-HDV/M.2 // 16GB (2x8) DDR4 T-Force Vulcan 2666 // XFX RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Rosewill FBM-X2 // Gigabyte P750GM // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: LG 50" 4k TV // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers Donated.

 

Son's System: i7-8700 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB (2x8) GeIL Potenza DDR 3200 // EVGA XC RTX 3060 // Corsair 275R Airflow // EVGA Supernova G5 650W Gold // 525GB Crucial MX300/1TB WD SN550 // Display: ACER Nitro VG240Y PBiip / Dell P2417H // Corsair K60 Pro SE // Logitech G203

 

Daughter's System: i5-9400 // Cooler Master i71c // MSI H310M Pro VDH-Plus // 8GB (2x4) Leven DDR4 2666 (2400) // Zotac GTX 1060 3GB Mini // DarkFlash Micro ATX White // Corsair CX550 // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: ASUS VG245H // Redragon TKL Mechanic Keyboard + Mouse

 

Ryzen 5 1600 // Gigabyte B450 Aorus M Retired.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, Mister Woof said:

Every time there's a security fix we lose a little.

 

This is old news by now.

 

in the good old days, updates had the purpose to increase performance, now its all about "security".. all the old CPUs dont get that updates and nobody is suffering more from attacks or any malicious stuff, so whats the point of them updates?

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

in the good old days, updates had the purpose to increase performance, now its all about "security".. all the old CPUs dont get that updates and nobody is suffering more from attacks or any malicious stuff, so whats the point of them updates?

Well things have certainly changed. Security is pretty important these days.

 

If you want, you can not update your BIOS or use a different operating system.

 

I'm using Windows 11 and haven't noticed any significant performance differences. 

 

In R23, it was around 17100 before and around 17100 after - give or take.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

My System: i9-10900KF 5.1-5.3ghz @ 1.375v // Corsair iCUE H150i Elite Capellix // Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite AX // 32GB (4x8) Crucial Ballistix Elite DDR4 4000/CL18 // ASUS RTX 3080 TUF OC // Corsair 5000D Airflow // Corsair SP120 RGB Pro x7 // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w //1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/2TB Seagate 7200RPM Hard Drive // Displays: LG Ultragear 32GP83B/Lenovo L24Q-30/Lenovo L24Q-30 // Glorious GMMK TKL // Corsair Harpoon Wireless // Corsair H70 Gaming Headset

 

Wife's System: i9-9900K Stock // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200 // ASUS KO RTX 3070 // Cooler Master Master Box NR400 ODD // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: LG Ultragear 27GL83A-B/AOC AGON AG241QX/ASUS VG248QE // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Corsair Harpoon Wireless // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: i7-8700K 5.0ghz All-core delidded @1.375v // Deepcool Gamerstorm Assassin III // Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 // 32GB (4x8) Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 // XFX 5700XT RAW II // Corsair 275R Airflow // Corsair 650M Vengeance 650w // Intel 660P 1TB NVME M.2 SSD/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

TV Gamer 2: Intel i3-10100 // ASRock H410M-HDV/M.2 // 16GB (2x8) DDR4 T-Force Vulcan 2666 // XFX RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Rosewill FBM-X2 // Gigabyte P750GM // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: LG 50" 4k TV // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers Donated.

 

Son's System: i7-8700 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB (2x8) GeIL Potenza DDR 3200 // EVGA XC RTX 3060 // Corsair 275R Airflow // EVGA Supernova G5 650W Gold // 525GB Crucial MX300/1TB WD SN550 // Display: ACER Nitro VG240Y PBiip / Dell P2417H // Corsair K60 Pro SE // Logitech G203

 

Daughter's System: i5-9400 // Cooler Master i71c // MSI H310M Pro VDH-Plus // 8GB (2x4) Leven DDR4 2666 (2400) // Zotac GTX 1060 3GB Mini // DarkFlash Micro ATX White // Corsair CX550 // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD/2TB Seagate HDD // Display: ASUS VG245H // Redragon TKL Mechanic Keyboard + Mouse

 

Ryzen 5 1600 // Gigabyte B450 Aorus M Retired.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

29 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

.

4% is very significant imho, while ocing we get 1-2% increments.

 

The 8700k gets hit the hardest by the updates, even the 9900k gets fked, just comparing to the 10700k on more recent results shows that.

 

I'd avoid the updates if possible.

5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc)  1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll evga 1080ti hybrid (waiting on next gen) ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll all nf12/14 fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll x27 ll PA272w

 

9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666  bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA 2080 ti XC 1995//7600 325w 69C stock voltage (bad ocer) ll  8x nf12/14 fans 2x samsung 860 evo 500gb raid 0 ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll Corsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll Windows 10 Pro ll NEC PA242w (movie, work mon) 1080p 60hzll Predator X27 4k144 hdr (using at 4:4:4 98 fan is dying)

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

also windows could have been using 3% of the cpu at that time.  Which would result in the score

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, Ebony Falcon said:

More testing on a clean system needs to be done 

 

17 minutes ago, xXGaming123 said:

also windows could have been using 3% of the cpu at that time.  Which would result in the score

 

It was on a fresh/clean installed system, there was no load/other software running on the CPU during the tests, the test was done multiple times, also after restarts.

CPU: i7-8700k 5GHz@1.25v | MoBo: Asus ROG Maximus X Formula | RAM: G.Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ @4000CL17GPU: RTX 2080Ti | PSU: Evga Supernova G2 750w | 

Case: Lian Li 011D XL | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB, Crucial MX500 500GB | Soundcard: Soundblaster ZXR | Mouse: Razer Viper Mini | Keyboard: Razer Huntsman TE Monitor: DELL AW2521H @360Hz |

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share


×