Windows 11 or Linux?

[Dragonwinged]

With the recent announcement of Windows 11, some have noticed a few undesirable aspects, including but not limited to requiring an online microsoft account and restricting the os to newer hardware. Many have expressed that they will refuse to upgrade, instead opting for a Linux Distro instead. (As I understand it, Secure boot, which Windows 11 requires, will often block installation of linux, meaning dual booting is not an option.)

[danomicar]

3 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

With the recent announcement of Windows 11, some have noticed a few undesirable aspects, including but not limited to requiring an online microsoft account and restricting the os to newer hardware. Many have expressed that they will refuse to upgrade, instead opting for a Linux Distro instead. (As I understand it, Secure boot, which Windows 11 requires, will often block installation of linux, meaning dual booting is not an option.)

Unless huge strides can be made for gaming on Linux, looks like most people will be handing over their data to Microsoft. 

[Dragonwinged]

Keeping my reply to my own poll separate, the network requirement is a deal breaker for me. While most games these days are digitally distributed, it's still nice to have games that can be pldyed without a constant internet connection. This is also the reason I will never buy an xbox. As revealed by Modern Vintage Gamer, cutting the series X/S from the internet will prevent you from playing most of the consoles library.

 

I'm Switching to linux, Specifically Manjaro, Running the KDE Desktop Evironment.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

LONG LIVE THE PENGUIN OS

 

SHATTER GOES THE WINDOW OS

 

¯\_ (ツ) _/¯ 

 

Though id stick with something like linux mint for 4 core and under cpus

 

Ill choose qubes linux if i get an 8 core cpu cause it can run windows stuff apparently

[flibberdipper]

Technically speaking, when it gets replaced my current machine will probably be making the jump to Linux (probably Kubuntu) as long as the capture cards I plan on getting for it will work, because I really don't feel like dicking around trying to get Windows 11 working on a 3770 just for what'll end up being a dedicated capture PC. The PC that replaces it will end up being 11 though.

[Dragonwinged]

1 minute ago, danomicar said:

Unless huge strides can be made for gaming on Linux, looks like most people will be handing over their data to Microsoft. 

As I understand it, there have been huge improvements to gaming on linux. Many modern game releases are fully playable using Wine or Proton, barring any drm which blocks out the use of such software. In addition, many console emulators run equally if not better than windows versions. Somehow the Wii U Emulator Cemu can run better through Wine on Linux than Natively on Windows.

[Guest]

Obviously I would continue Using Debian With GNOME Flashback. Windows has now given me enough headaches.

[Ash_Kechummm]

for now I'm thinking dualbooting windows 10 with debian (installing KDE and customising it to my heart's content, unixporn-style); I really wanted to install windows 11, especially because they fixed a lot of the UI problems I had with windows 10 and the fact that it can run android apps was a nice feature I wanted, but if I can't install it on my ryzen 7 1700-based system, linux it is.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Ash_Kechummm
i forgot that the current version of windows is windows 10, not windows 1

[Izineth]

As much as I love Linux and have used it as my main OS for years.  its just not an option for me anymore because of anti-cheat software.  The only way I could go back to using Linux as my main OS would be to give up gaming with my friends and I'm just not willing to do that.

 

I've been using the windows 11 dev preview all day since it came out and I think its great.  However I won't be doing anything "important" on it.  Anything important I keep a USB stick with linux on it boot to that, take care of the important things I need to do and then boot back to windows.

[danomicar]

2 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

As I understand it, there have been huge improvements to gaming on linux. Many modern game releases are fully playable using Wine or Proton, barring any drm which blocks out the use of such software. In addition, many console emulators run equally if not better than windows versions. Somehow the Wii U Emulator Cemu can run better through Wine on Linux than Natively on Windows.

I agree there have been some significant improvements for Linux gaming over the last 5 years. But I definitely believe the layman is just going to get windows 11 because it will be far less effort than having to learn to use Linux. 

[Izineth]

5 minutes ago, danomicar said:

I agree there have been some significant improvements for Linux gaming over the last 5 years. But I definitely believe the layman is just going to get windows 11 because it will be far less effort than having to learn to use Linux. 

I agree, but there is also the problem of Windows 11 requiring either a layman to go into the uefi and turn on TPM if they have a supported platform.  I can't imagine them being able to handle doing that either.  And that isn't something you can do remotely for people either.

[danomicar]

Just now, Kawaii_Desu said:

I agree, but there is also the problem of Windows 11 requiring either a layman to go into the uefi and turn on TPM if they have a supported platform.  I can't imagine them being able to handle doing that either.

What is a TPM? Why would a "normal" user need to turn this on in the UEFI?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 minute ago, Kawaii_Desu said:

I agree, but there is also the problem of Windows 11 requiring either a layman to go into the uefi and turn on TPM if they have a supported platform.  I can't imagine them being able to handle doing that either.

Prob because they have crappy bios and or just dont know how a computer works anyways

[Izineth]

2 minutes ago, danomicar said:

What is a TPM? Why would a "normal" user need to turn this on in the UEFI?

Because Microsoft decided Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 support.  It will not install without it.  And from what I've seen at least on my own computers they don't have it enabled by default.

 

Here's a quote from the windows 11 page:

Quote

Trusted Platform Module (TPM) technology is designed to provide hardware-based, security-related functions. A TPM chip is a secure crypto-processor that is designed to carry out cryptographic operations. The chip includes multiple physical security mechanisms to make it tamper resistant, and malicious software is unable to tamper with the security functions of the TPM.

 

[Brooksie359]

14 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

Keeping my reply to my own poll separate, the network requirement is a deal breaker for me. While most games these days are digitally distributed, it's still nice to have games that can be pldyed without a constant internet connection. This is also the reason I will never buy an xbox. As revealed by Modern Vintage Gamer, cutting the series X/S from the internet will prevent you from playing most of the consoles library.

 

I'm Switching to linux, Specifically Manjaro, Running the KDE Desktop Evironment.

How does this have anything to do with windows 11? You just need internet to install the os and it won't stop you from playing games with no internet access. I think you are way overreacting here. 

[Vishera]

Even though i have recently released hardware i would rather go Linux than Windows 11,

Hell,I even hate Windows 10,but i hate Windows 11 even more.

 

I prefer Manjaro.

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, Kawaii_Desu said:

Because Microsoft decided Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 support.  It will not install without it.  And from what I've seen at least on my own computers they don't have it enabled by default.

 

Here's a quote from the windows 11 page:

 

I am pretty sure they said recommend is 2.0 and will be required for new systems by OEMs but that you can upgrade to 11 so long as you have tmp 1.2. 

[Izineth]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I am pretty sure they said recommend is 2.0 and will be required for new systems by OEMs but that you can upgrade to 11 so long as you have tmp 1.2. 

Last time I looked at the website they removed mention of 1.2 and say 2.0 is required now.  But I could be wrong or they could be wrong I don't think anyone knows for sure at this point.

[Ash_Kechummm]

2 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

I am pretty sure they said recommend is 2.0 and will be required for new systems by OEMs but that you can upgrade to 11 so long as you have tmp 1.2. 

no, they changed the requirements to require TPM 2.0 a few days ago, for both new and upgraded systems.

[Dragonwinged]

17 minutes ago, Kawaii_Desu said:

As much as I love Linux and have used it as my main OS for years.  its just not an option for me anymore because of anti-cheat software.  The only way I could go back to using Linux as my main OS would be to give up gaming with my friends and I'm just not willing to do that.

 

I've been using the windows 11 dev preview all day since it came out and I think its great.  However I won't be doing anything "important" on it.  Anything important I keep a USB stick with linux on it boot to that, take care of the important things I need to do and then boot back to windows.

Unless I'm wrong, and please correct me if I am, Secure Boot enabled blocks linux from booting, and Windows 11 will require secure boot to be on in order to work. So your linux usb would becomes useless on a windows 11 pc.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

Unless I'm wrong, and please correct me if I am, Secure Boot enabled blocks linux from booting, and Windows 11 will require secure boot to be on in order to work. So your linux usb would becomes useless on a windows 11 pc.

Yeah, I tried Ubuntu and Arch Linux and both refused to boot on my Dad's PC with secure boot enabled. 

Edit:- I did this a while back so don't tell I'm lying.

[Izineth]

25 minutes ago, Dragonwinged said:

Unless I'm wrong, and please correct me if I am, Secure Boot enabled blocks linux from booting, and Windows 11 will require secure boot to be on in order to work. So your linux usb would becomes useless on a windows 11 pc.

Nope I can boot Linux just fine with secure boot on.  I'm currently running windows 11 and just booted a Manjaro usb a couple hours ago as a test.

 

Edit:  Some EFI allow you to import trusted keys.

And if you cannot some distros such as ubuntu have a method to get around it using a shim binary signed by microsoft.

 

Edit2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot

 

Its a bit more of a pain in the ass but its doable.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Kawaii_Desu said:

Last time I looked at the website they removed mention of 1.2 and say 2.0 is required now.  But I could be wrong or they could be wrong I don't think anyone knows for sure at this point.

Yeah I guess they thought it would be too confusing to allow tmp 1.2 enabled systems to upgrade with them also recommending them not to. I personally think they should have still allowed it but require tmp 2.0 for all new systems. 

[xAcid9]

 

If I can't hack my way to Win11 I'll just use Win10 and Manjaro as usual.

[Shogunluffy_1982]