How come there is no DIY Laptop?

[whm1974]

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

There is a standard notebook platform. It's called Clevo.

https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_pro.asp?lang=en

 

Pretty much every "custom" laptop (eg sager) out there uses it.

 

Funny right now, it's cheaper to buy an entire laptop with a RTX 3080 in it than a RTX 3080 PCIe card.

I forgotten about Clevo and Sager.

[Middcore]

Would be expensive, only appealing to a very small niche market, and actually worse at doing some of the stuff most people value in a laptop. The result would probably look something like a laptop from 20 years, a couple inches thick. 

[whm1974]

3 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Would be expensive, only appealing to a very small niche market, and actually worse at doing some of the stuff most people value in a laptop. The result would probably look something like a laptop from 20 years, a couple inches thick. 

Make it an Inch or 1/2.

[Biohazard777]

For this to take off, before screens, keyboards and batteries we would first need a new ATX standard, something approximately the size of Mini-ATX but as a low profile as possible. So instead of just width and length being standardized, the height would be as well.
Let's call it "Slim-ATX", it doesn't need that many changes:
1) RAM slots need to be placed parallel to the board, like on a laptop. They can remain full size DIMM slots if this new ATX standard would support only the new 12VO PSU standard (atx power connector would be much smaller, can be right angled too).
2) Rear IO's height needs to be made smaller, let's cut it in half. Manufacturer would need to provide 2 backplates, one half-size for slim cases and one full size for regular cases, that wouldn't drive the cost more than a few $.

I believe if that was to happen then we would see a whole new line or original looking small PC cases with PCIe riser cables, alternative cooling solutions for CPUs and GPUs and so on. Who knows maybe it would take off in the business / office world as well if we could get a standardized PC case that is attached to a VESA mount on the back of the monitor (instead proprietary af workstaton solutions that keep appearing each year) 
The best part is that it would still be compatible with existing cases and hardware.

Maybe just dream, but I'd like to see something like that one day.

[Kilrah]

Thin ITX is already a thing:

https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Motherboard/Commercial-Thin-Mini-ITX-Motherboards-Products/

 

 

[FinOxy]

5 hours ago, whm1974 said:

Most of Us built our own Desktops, so a Notebook shouldn't be that much harder.

Yes, that is true. 
Nowadays however, you would need a already premade motherboard, because there aren´ t low TDP Socketed CPUs on the market. 
Then you need a chassis, a display asssembly compatible with your board. 
In a laptop, everything is built around each other. And that makes it non-pheasable, to make it modular. Sure, you can add a couple of SO-DIMM slots, and two M.2 slots, maybe 2.5 drive bay.
But you cannot build it from pre-existing parts
Most people are looking for a portable, usually pretty thin. They usually don´t care about that you can build it yourself.
And it would not really make sense, since every laptop case is different

[FinOxy]

14 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Thin ITX is already a thing:

https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Motherboard/Commercial-Thin-Mini-ITX-Motherboards-Products/

 

 

Yes it is
That site you linked, those seem to be pretty bad idea, for anything that is going to mobile, and operate on battery.
Those are based on the old intel chipsets. 

[Biohazard777]

29 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Thin ITX is already a thing:

https://www.asus.com/Commercial-Motherboard/Commercial-Thin-Mini-ITX-Motherboards-Products/

 

 

Didn't I know it is a thing... and here is why: it uses SO-DIMM, no atx power connector - uses a barrel plug, no PCI-E slot?...
If intel did a slightly better job with compatibility it might have had a chance outside the workstation use-case.

[Kilrah]

Well if you want small and thin those are exactly the things you'd want to use? There is a minipcie slot, you can adapt it to full size if you want

[FinOxy]

2 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Well if you want small and thin those are exactly the things you'd want to use? There is a minipcie slot, you can adapt it to full size if you want

Not really
Check compatilibilty
Something like the 6th gen core series
Not really a thing for a laptop nowadays

 

[FinOxy]

3 hours ago, Middcore said:

Would be expensive, only appealing to a very small niche market, and actually worse at doing some of the stuff most people value in a laptop. The result would probably look something like a laptop from 20 years, a couple inches thick. 

well, something like a bussiness laptop
6-7 years ago

[Kilrah]

3 minutes ago, FinOxy said:

Not really
Check compatilibilty
Something like the 6th gen core series

 

I mean the principle of using SODIMMs to take less space, standard laptop power input etc instead of massive full-size connector and PSU, not those exact boards. Just posted that page as an example of that form factor existing, didn't look up "the ones to use". 

[FinOxy]

I don´t see the sodimm as the main issue
The main issue is the case, keyboard, display. Not just the board.
None of those are really standardised in a laptop

[whm1974]

1 minute ago, Grumpy Old Man said:

Intel® NUC Laptop Kits

So what is this? A NUC or a Laptop?

[whm1974]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Old Man said:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16262/intels-new-nuc-laptop-kit-whitebook-tiger-lake-for-all

A bit Pricey if you ask me....

[Slayerking92]

Intel did a push a several years ago for system integrators to make their own "barebone" laptop.

 

What is barebone laptop?

A barebone laptop is an undressed laptop without OS, usually with only a laptop case, motherboard and display. Barebone laptops need to be equipped with components such as; processor, graphics card, memory, storage media, WiFi and last but not least the operating system (OS).

[whm1974]

On 5/11/2021 at 2:55 PM, Slayerking92 said:

Intel did a push a several years ago for system integrators to make their own "barebone" laptop.

 

What is barebone laptop?

A barebone laptop is an undressed laptop without OS, usually with only a laptop case, motherboard and display. Barebone laptops need to be equipped with components such as; processor, graphics card, memory, storage media, WiFi and last but not least the operating system (OS).

I think I might have seen a few Vendors of those online a few years ago.

[FinOxy]

On 5/11/2021 at 10:55 PM, Slayerking92 said:

Intel did a push a several years ago for system integrators to make their own "barebone" laptop.

 

What is barebone laptop?

A barebone laptop is an undressed laptop without OS, usually with only a laptop case, motherboard and display. Barebone laptops need to be equipped with components such as; processor, graphics card, memory, storage media, WiFi and last but not least the operating system (OS).

I think for customer, those would include the SoC, as they are all BGA on the mobile side of CPUs
But yeah

[lostboykev]

Framework has a modular laptop of sorts. Unfortunately they're not targeting gaming performance so you'll find an APU inside. But you can replace the memory, storage, battery, keyboard and even input/output devices like usb, hdmi, displayport, mircosd using these interchangeable insert cards. The build your own starts at $750.

 

https://frame.work/

 

They also plan to offer new motherboards with a newer generation CPU as time goes on. So effectively you have a laptop for 10+ years without needing to buy a new one as you'll just be swapping out components during its lifespan.

[whm1974]

21 minutes ago, lostboykev said:

Framework has a modular laptop of sorts. Unfortunately they're not targeting gaming performance so you'll find an APU inside. But you can replace the memory, storage, battery, keyboard and even input/output devices like usb, hdmi, displayport, mircosd using these interchangeable insert cards. The build your own starts at $750.

 

https://frame.work/

 

They also plan to offer new motherboards with a newer generation CPU as time goes on. So effectively you have a laptop for 10+ years without needing to buy a new one as you'll just be swapping out components during its lifespan.

Nice. Want one.