What should I do

[Bloodyvalley]

Well, I had a math test yesterday. My friend had it on Wednesday and he got an extra test. So he put it in his schoolbag and he posted it on Facebook (messages). Now most of my group got a good grade.

 

 

 

Now, today his friend stole a science test from my science teacher (tomorrow is the date of the test, for all of us). He posted it on Facebook. So I am pretty much cheating on two tests in a row.

 

 

Thoughts? I don't know what to do. This is good for my grades, but not morally. I feel dirty taking the test right now and checking the answers.

[helping]

 morally I feel dirty taking 

Before anything, what grade are you in?

 

I was pretty crafty with my methods, morally I wouldn't feel bad at all.

I'm not even going to take the idealist moral position, if you cheat, do it because you're lazy, not an idiot. You need to be able to compensate in the future for what you're doing and you need to be able to execute precisely. Consider cheating only if it's worth it and if you can do it with no risk. 

 

In cases like this I wouldn't really hesitate, because of what your friend did you'll be comparatively at a disadvantage.

 

Depending on how much you value your friend, you can use this to your advantage in a "morally clean" non-cheating way. 

 

I wouldn't even consider cheating in college though, stakes are too high. 

[_ASSASSIN_]

wtf kind of joke is this

no it's not good because you are supposed to learn not learn to circumvent the system.

Your parents and others pay tax money to send you to school so this generation isn't uneducated, and you are just squandering away the opportunity you have, that many others don't have.

[Unhelpful]

Getting a B or even a C and learning is better than cheesing your way to an A.

[AlwaysFSX]

wtf kind of joke is this

no it's not good because you are supposed to learn not learn to circumvent the system.

Your parents and others pay tax money to send you to school so this generation isn't uneducated, and you are just squandering away the opportunity you have, that many others don't have.

Well that got serious quickly. @Bloodyvalley Just don't cheat, how about that? Study and get the grade you deserve, cheating only hurts you in the long run.

[needmorewood]

uh study and beat them....lol. dont cheat man you will feel like shit

[hawaiims]

Well, I had a math test yesterday. My friend had it on Wednesday and he got an extra test. So he put it in his schoolbag and he posted it on Facebook (messages). Now most of my group got a good grade.

 

Thoughts? I don't know what to do. This is good for my grades, but not morally. I feel dirty taking the test right now and checking the answers.

1 become a snitch

2 profit

[Bloodyvalley]

1 become a snitch

2 profit

I'm not becoming a snitch.

[Fred Castellum]

You wana be smart? Yes? Then study for your tests.... it builds your memory...

[hawaiims]

I'm not becoming a snitch.

the more they don't get caught the more they're going to enjoy cheating. It'll just keep getting worse and worse until finally they get caught and learn their lesson.

 

It's like a French proverb which sounds like crap when translated into english because it doesn't rhyme:

"qui vole un oeuf, vole un boeuf"

 

He that will steal an egg will steal an ox

[Bloodyvalley]

the more they don't get caught the more they're going to enjoy cheating. It'll just keep getting worse and worse until finally they get caught and learn their lesson.

 

It's like a French proverb which sounds like crap when translated into english because it doesn't rhyme:

"qui vole un oeuf, vole un boeuf"

 

He that will steal an egg will steal an ox

I'm French. I get it. You start small, but then it gets bigger. But they'll get caught eventually. They'll do it in college, I'm sure. Then it'll be over for them since they will write it in their transcript and good luck getting into a college with that in your transcript.

[hawaiims]

I'm French. I get it. You start small, but then it gets bigger. But they'll get caught eventually. They'll do it in college, I'm sure. Then it'll be over for them since they will write it in their transcript and good luck getting into a college with that in your transcript.

de toute facon, pas de triche au bac lol

[WereCat]

Study hard like a foam. Linus wont like you but you will be more wise and have beter memory.

(Im sorry for that bad joke).

[Bloodyvalley]

de toute facon, pas de triche au bac lol

Je ne voudrais pas savoir que quelqu'un qui construit un pont ait triché dans ses examens!

[TheNinjaNextDor]

You (kind of) didn't try to cheat, so it's kind of ok ish.

That other kid is a dick and you should turn him into the principle, you won't have to take the test lol.

[Ryan Leech]

Je ne voudrais pas savoir que quelqu'un qui construit un pont ait triché dans ses examens!

je ne parle pas de francais

[pcexplosion]

Arent there stories where people put test answers on facebook then get caught and go to jail or something.

[Shakaza]

So, in other words, by doing this, you could be lying to colleges who might want you for intelligence that you don't actually have. You go to school not only to learn things, but to learn HOW to learn. It's all well and good if you can memorize everything in school, but it is worthless in a job environment where you may have to apply the skills you're supposed to be learning. My math teacher always says to my class that we may not use every math question that we've learned, but we will have to use the skills we learned from doing the problems. When you're cheating, what have you achieved? A worthless, empty grade that will not mean anything once you're out of school.

[Shakaza]

Before anything, what grade are you in?

 

I was pretty crafty with my methods, morally I wouldn't feel bad at all.

I'm not even going to take the idealist moral position, if you cheat, do it because you're lazy, not an idiot. You need to be able to compensate in the future for what you're doing and you need to be able to execute precisely. Consider cheating only if it's worth it and if you can do it with no risk. 

 

In cases like this I wouldn't really hesitate, because of what your friend did you'll be comparatively at a disadvantage.

 

Depending on how much you value your friend, you can use this to your advantage in a "morally clean" non-cheating way. 

 

I wouldn't even consider cheating in college though, stakes are too high.

Can't tell if you're serious, or just being helping. If you're serious, I can't imagine what kind of drugs you're on. First of all, what kind of lazy person who's not an idiot cheats? I'm lazy, but I'm also no idiot, so I don't really need to study to get good grades. And, second of all, I don't know what kind of lazy person would compensate for cheating in the future, because that would require the same amount of work as it would doing it now, if I'm understanding what you're saying.

Furthermore, what is this "execute precisely" crap you're talking about? Are you saying that he should have a copy of the test with him while he's taking it, and furtively glance at it? But that's boring, and not even memorization, so it is helping him even less in the future. ._.

Finally, I'm not sure what you mean by "you'll be comparatively at a disadvantage." Grades aren't competitions in the first place, and it shouldn't even count if the friend illegitimately got a better score.

[helping]

Incoming wall

 

Can't tell if you're serious, or just being helping. If you're serious, I can't imagine what kind of drugs you're on. First of all, what kind of lazy person who's not an idiot cheats? I'm lazy, but I'm also no idiot, so I don't really need to study to get good grades. And, second of all, I don't know what kind of lazy person would compensate for cheating in the future, because that would require the same amount of work as it would doing it now, if I'm understanding what you're saying.

Furthermore, what is this "execute precisely" crap you're talking about? Are you saying that he should have a copy of the test with him while he's taking it, and furtively glance at it? But that's boring, and not even memorization, so it is helping him even less in the future. ._.

Finally, I'm not sure what you mean by "you'll be comparatively at a disadvantage." Grades aren't competitions in the first place, and it shouldn't even count if the friend illegitimately got a better score.

1) I'm @Helping, I help. It doesn't matter with what, from a holistic perspective it never matters what. 

2) Diphenhydramine and loratadine, depending on the situation it varies from one of acetaminophen, naproxen, and ibuprofen. Please refrain from pejorative attacks in the event that you won't take the effort or cannot express yourself.

 

I understand, not necessarily condone. Let me try and break this down.

 

A lazy person that cheats is under immense pressure, has high work loads, expectations and possibly other issues that they're coping with by themselves that may provoke the behavior. I won't go into detail. 

 

Not needing to study to get good grades is unless you're in a course designed for mouth breathers is, well, frankly comical unless you're an extremely rare exception. By no means am I doubting you or your claim or talking down on you, but I remain quite skeptical. 

 

You cheat for a reason, cheating is a brace, you compensate by taking responsibility for the reason that you cheated by both mitigating the reason for your shortcomings, and being positive you make yourself familiar with the content that you cheated on after it is done. That is what a smart person that cheats will do. That is why the deficient need not bother. That is why a buffoon will only end up in the situation very concisely described by:

the more they don't get caught the more they're going to enjoy cheating. It'll just keep getting worse and worse until finally they get caught and learn their lesson.

 

It's like a French proverb which sounds like crap when translated into english because it doesn't rhyme:

"qui vole un oeuf, vole un boeuf"

 

He that will steal an egg will steal an ox

 

 

To 'execute precisely' might not have been the best word choice by me, but what I'm referring to is the method about which he or she gains an advantage with minimal to no risk and high benefit. I'm not suggesting the meaning you're giving to that phrase in this context at all. If you need further clarification on that, don't hesitate at all, I won't mind. 

 

Cheating is hard to pull off correctly, but can be efficient in a situation where intensity is at a lower priority than duration. Make more lazy friends, you'll find that they're some of the smartest people you'll ever meet. Learned does not mean smart. 

 

OP's friend is a moron and is why an idiot should not cheat. However, I do have a solution which would have a pretty high chance at resolving this entire situation without OP tarring himself up, or being a, as the hip fellows call it 

 

a snitch.

 it's at OP's discretion if he wants the suggestion or not. It's quite simple and I'm surprised nobody has suggested it yet. He never answered my first question so I never bothered.

 

If you don't understand why OP is at a disadvantage, furrow those brows, open your mind, and think harder. Believing that grades are not competitive beyond middle school is entirely false. I don't mind explaining that either if you want, but I won't write a tome of a post if it's not requested.

 

And are you actually thinking? Or are you acting based on instilled acceptable norms and morals? This is the true beauty of the internet that many don't appreciate, attack for, or accuse others of taking drugs for. The aspect which the government wants to remove. Anonymity allows you to be authentic and expose your true shade of gray. Only maybe one person on this forum can pin down by identity, and they're probably not even aware of it.

Please red pill and widen those eyes.

[Shakaza]

-snip-

Oh, I love it. Only a person with equal or greater intelligence than my own can truly excite me in this way. I'm so glad that my tired, befuddled mind decided to reply to your first post, because this is just about to get interesting.

But, before I go further, let me apologize. As I was tired during the time I wrote this post, I rather sloppily fashioned a transition from silly to serious, which must have been difficult to pick up on. Forgive this rash comment, if you will.

And another thing: I admire you for being capable of providing adequate reasons to explain your actions, and, to be perfectly honest, I find myself agreeing with the validity of those explanations. So, there is no reason to argue over who is "right" and whatnot.

But, what I do feel is necessary to dispute is your belief that a course is usually excessively easy if you don't have to study for it. Now, since everything is relative, we may have difficulty in determining what is actually "easy", but for the sake of simplicity, let's just use the definition from my perspective, and then compare that to other students in my grade. Let's examine my current math course, first of all. I take Saxon math, which, as you may know, gives out homework assignments in sets of thirty questions of various branches of Mathematics, including Geometry, Trigonometry, etc. The tests, usually twenty questions, test your ability to do all those different types of problems. Myself, I can usually just take a quick glance at what is called Form B, which is similar to the test in that it has the same types of problems but with different numbers, and the test is no problem. Form B is mostly there to help those who aren't as proficient in math, and those who aren't definitely need it to study. In the worst-case scenario, there might be a single problem that I'm not completely sure about, and I might complete it to make sure I'm okay. So, I guess I need to rephrase my earlier statement about not studying at all to "studying as little as possible". That's another little mistake I overlooked while exhausted. In my AP English and AP U.S. History classes, the other two big ones, it's a similar story, except I haven't really touched the book in the latter for some time, and I am averaging a B in there right now. Because I find them easy, but not many others do as well, I would say that they are not designed for mouth breathers, unless you count myself, of course.

And about the grades being a competition, the only things I can think of are pumping up my ego and being valedictorian in my class, though the latter of which might be beneficial when looking to get into a reputable college.

To wrap things up, do you call being a social outcast, talking about computers excessively when it's not even appropriate, and just generally acting somewhat insane following the norm? If so, can I come to where you live? Sounds good to me. And, this talk about morals...I do what I have analyzed to be correct based on what my amazing parents have taught me, what will not hurt people and what will allow this world to be a more comfortable place to live in. I could never live with myself if I blindly followed what was deemed to be socially acceptable, because it does not lead to the free thinking that has pushed the boundaries of what humans ever thought possible. I do not cheat, because it sets a poor example and could possibly lead to idiotic, blind sheep who do not know any better doing it as well, and that would only harm the world.

Oh, sorry, I don't take unfamiliar pills. I'll stick to Paroxetine for my anxiety, thank you very much.

[helping]

will reply later tonight

[Dragonzeanse]

If you plan to go to college anytime in the near future, I suggest you don't cheat ever. You'll learn nothing. Unless you have a need to do so (like you're overwhelmed by other classes), I've found that prior to college, classes are so easy as it is anyway. Science is debatable because you'll have to take courses for those in college no matter what, but if you plan to take any sort of engineering program, don't skimp on math.

 

That said, if your chance of getting caught is slim to none, and you had what you feel is a good reason to do so, I can't say "don't do it." My experience doesn't lie in high school because those years were entirely irrelevant to me in the sense that staring at porn without masturbating to it is pointless (unless you like that sort of thing, I guess).

[Jerakl]

No...just no.

Cheating on tests is only hurting you.

Stop it.

And maybe tell your friend group to stop.

If they refuse.

Wait a month and tip off a teacher.

Will seem less suspicious that way.

Cheating doesn't get you anywhere in life.

I.E: you get into college/uni because of good grades you cheated for.

You going to fail.

Because, you build up knowledge by actually studying,etc.

Cheating makes you lazy.

[L.E.D]

If you're going to cheat, at least make it worth your while.