Stupid Question about Cpus

[iCoNrant]

I'm deciding to get i7 10700 or the F model. Which one should I get? 

 

The F model is cheaper. Do the igpu have any use? 

[SEAL62]

Don't want to start the whole INtel vs AMD discussion here but is there any reason why you would want a 10. Gen Intel CPU?

You will probably buy a new mobo as well, so why not switch to AMD while you're at it.

[Archer42]

IMO if the difference is small enough  - get one with working iGPU. It allows system to function without videocard installed, which is useful in some cases and can really help with troubleshooting sometimes. Totally worth few $ it costs.

If the difference is large enough to be significant to you - get "F" model. During regular use with videocard installed there will be no difference.

 

Also as another funny example of uses for iGPU - I used one for video encoding during short time when I had AMD GPU on old system. Because AMD-s encoder, along with their drivers, is a broken mess, and somehow decade old iGPU from i7-3770k worked better (performance, stability) than encoder integrated into 5700XT.

 

[minibois]

20 minutes ago, iCoNrant said:

I'm deciding to get i7 10700 or the F model. Which one should I get? 

The F model is cheaper. Do the igpu have any use? 

The only uses to the iGPU in my mind are:

- Being able to use your PC when there is no GPU installed (i.e. when you sold it, when it's in RMA, etc.)

- Using it to accelerate some tasks in video editing programs (specifically using Intel Quicksync in Adobe Premiere)

 

If you don't think you'll use either, I would go for the F model.

[iCoNrant]

32 minutes ago, SEAL62 said:

Don't want to start the whole INtel vs AMD discussion here but is there any reason why you would want a 10. Gen Intel CPU?

You will probably buy a new mobo as well, so why not switch to AMD while you're at it.

 

30 minutes ago, Archer42 said:

IMO if the difference is small enough  - get one with working iGPU. It allows system to function without videocard installed, which is useful in some cases and can really help with troubleshooting sometimes. Totally worth few $ it costs.

If the difference is large enough to be significant to you - get "F" model. During regular use with videocard installed there will be no difference.

 

Also as another funny example of uses for iGPU - I used one for video encoding during short time when I had AMD GPU on old system. Because AMD-s encoder, along with their drivers, is a broken mess, and somehow decade old iGPU from i7-3770k worked better (performance, stability) than encoder integrated into 5700XT.

 

 

16 minutes ago, minibois said:

The only uses to the iGPU in my mind are:

- Being able to use your PC when there is no GPU installed (i.e. when you sold it, when it's in RMA, etc.)

- Using it to accelerate some tasks in video editing programs (specifically using Intel Quicksync in Adobe Premiere)

 

If you don't think you'll use either, I would go for the F model.

I have  i5 2400 with gt 710 4gb ram, what I can upgrade

[WhitetailAni]

4 minutes ago, iCoNrant said:

 

 

I have  i5 2400 with gt 710 4gb ram, what I can upgrade

Get rid of the GT 710, and get more RAM so you have at least 2 sticks.

[iCoNrant]

8 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

Get rid of the GT 710, and get more RAM so you have at least 2 sticks.

Waste of money 

[Downkey]

59 minutes ago, SEAL62 said:

Don't want to start the whole INtel vs AMD discussion here but is there any reason why you would want a 10. Gen Intel CPU?

You will probably buy a new mobo as well, so why not switch to AMD while you're at it.

10th gen Intel CPUS arent bad. I love Ryzen but due to his pricing situation with the 10700f and what hes doing with it the 10700f is fine.

[CommanderAlex]

1 hour ago, iCoNrant said:

Do the igpu have any use?

The iGPU will be great for troubleshooting a graphics card if the graphics card is having problems and you need to troubleshoot it and find out you have to RMA is because it died. Down the road, you can always convert to PC into just an office PC or to use for light tasks. 

 

Going off of your previous thread, a 10700K will make more sense with a Z490 motherboard. Don't waste your money getting a locked processor on a overclockable motherboard.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

14 minutes ago, Downkey said:

10th gen Intel CPUS arent bad. I love Ryzen but due to his pricing situation with the 10700f and what hes doing with it the 10700f is fine.

But there are like in stock 5600xs o Newegg for 380!

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666

Throw that in like a b550 prime a and your good to go.

 

[Alan G]

As others have noted, the integrated graphics are great if your GPU goes on the fritz.  I had this exact problem earlier this year when my NVIDIA GPU came down with a bad case of visual artifacts making it unusable.  I was able to carry on with the Intel graphics until a replacement arrived.   Both my wife's office PC and my HTPC have been running on Intel graphics for over five years now with no hiccups.

[Downkey]

42 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

But there are like in stock 5600xs o Newegg for 380!

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666

Throw that in like a b550 prime a and your good to go.

 

isnt he in like romania tho

[iCoNrant]

57 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

But there are like in stock 5600xs o Newegg for 380!

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666

Throw that in like a b550 prime a and your good to go.

 

Good suggestion but no 6 cores in 2021 for me

[iCoNrant]

15 minutes ago, Downkey said:

isnt he in like romania tho

Imagine how a 6 cores become $380 now. I remember 3600 drop to $159 before this thing comes. 

[Downkey]

1 minute ago, iCoNrant said:

Imagine how a 6 cores become $380 now. I remember 3600 drop to $159 before this thing comes. 

its $300, also its still a better performer than the 10700f lol

[freeagent]

But the 5600X destroys a 3600, and comes pretty close to 3700X. And then there is gaming..

[iCoNrant]

15 minutes ago, Downkey said:

its $300, also its still a better performer than the 10700f lol

 

13 minutes ago, freeagent said:

But the 5600X destroys a 3600, and comes pretty close to 3700X. And then there is gaming..

Ya, It perform slightly better then people just see benchmark and ryzen 5600x destroy intel. Am I wrong? 

 

The truth of the matter is 6 cores won't last very long because zen 4 and alder Lake is coming soon. They developed 16 cores or 20 cores processor because its is the future. 6 cores will be a budget machine when they come out. 

 

What about people that multitask, open chrome while playing game, is 6 cores enough for those thing at once? 

I'm not hating 6 cores processor, 5600x is a great cpu especially gaming. But 8 cores is gonna be mainstream sooner than later. 

 

If you think 6 cores is enough for you then great rock on, play your games. The answer always its depends on your situation and needs. 

[iCoNrant]

2 hours ago, SpiderMan said:

The iGPU will be great for troubleshooting a graphics card if the graphics card is having problems and you need to troubleshoot it and find out you have to RMA is because it died. Down the road, you can always convert to PC into just an office PC or to use for light tasks. 

 

Going off of your previous thread, a 10700K will make more sense with a Z490 motherboard. Don't waste your money getting a locked processor on a overclockable motherboard.

This video is pretty interesting. Do you have any comments about this?

 

[freeagent]

6 minutes ago, iCoNrant said:

 

Ya, It perform slightly better then people just see benchmark and ryzen 5600x destroy intel. Am I wrong? 

 

The truth of the matter is 6 cores won't last very long because zen 4 and alder Lake is coming soon. They developed 16 cores or 20 cores processor because its is the future. 6 cores will be a budget machine when they come out. 

 

What about people that multitask, open chrome while playing game, is 6 cores enough for those thing at once? 

I'm not hating 6 cores processor, 5600x is a great cpu especially gaming. But 8 cores is gonna be mainstream sooner than later. 

 

If you think 6 cores is enough for you then great rock on, play your games. The answer always its depends on your situation and needs. 

I just left my 3770K and it was fine for gaming.. 6 cores isn't as weak as you are making it out to be. But if you focus on cinebench and other benchmarks, then yes, 6 cores gets its ass handed to it by its bigger brothers. I looked at the benchmarks too, Intel is still relevant, and still very good. I do have an AMD now, but I haven't had it long enough to turn me into a fanboy lol. I get what you are saying, in the older days I ran top of the line hardware that usually crushed what most other users were running, especially if it was an AMD. Luckily the future takes time. There is no such thing as future proof as long as there are IPC gains to be had, and I guess moar coarz. I tried that 10 years ago, only to have the next gen quad core come out to destroy my 6 core.

[iCoNrant]

12 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I just left my 3770K and it was fine for gaming.. 6 cores isn't as weak as you are making it out to be. But if you focus on cinebench and other benchmarks, then yes, 6 cores gets its ass handed to it by its bigger brothers. I looked at the benchmarks too, Intel is still relevant, and still very good. I do have an AMD now, but I haven't had it long enough to turn me into a fanboy lol. I get what you are saying, in the older days I ran top of the line hardware that usually crushed what most other users were running, especially if it was an AMD. Luckily the future takes time. There is no such thing as future proof as long as there are IPC gains to be had, and I guess moar coarz. I tried that 10 years ago, only to have the next gen quad core come out to destroy my 6 core.

Agree but the value for money still a consideration. You don't need 8 cores if you just gaming. Even a 4 cores can do that.

Just different people have different use case on specific hardware choice to accomplished the needs. 

[freeagent]

I totally get it. Could I use 8 or more cores? sure.. but the value wasn't there for me, that's not to say it isn't there for you.. but considering they still make quad cores, 6 cores should be strong enough for some time. I am not a content creator, so YouTube is purely entertainment for me. I don't stream because If I am killing you and your team, you don't need to see me take bong rips while doing it, or vice versa.

[Archer42]

36 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Intel is still relevant, and still very good. I do have an AMD now, but I haven't had it long enough to turn me into a fanboy lol

Yeah, that's the thing.

Few % faster and a lot of hype by youtubers suddenly make specific cpu "a lot better" or alternatives "useless". Makes no sense at all.

To me at this point both intel and AMD seem ~similar, just need to choose correctly for specific usecase. There are cases when one platform can be better than other because of other things, not just performance...

[iCoNrant]

9 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I totally get it. Could I use 8 or more cores? sure.. but the value wasn't there for me, that's not to say it isn't there for you.. but considering they still make quad cores, 6 cores should be strong enough for some time. I am not a content creator, so YouTube is purely entertainment for me. I don't stream because If I am killing you and your team, you don't need to see me take bong rips while doing it, or vice versa.

I think we go out of topic for quite some time now. But every cpus have a specific use case for each users

[freeagent]

Honestly, there is like 2-3 guys I watch for tech stuff on youtube. Its purely entertainment for me. 1 guy I find educational, because I have been out of the loop a little for a few years while I was breeding offspring. And I like him, so that helps.

 

Honestly man, you cant go wrong with either choice. They both have their shit together sorta. I know a lot of guys rag on Intel, but lets be real here. If I gave you a hammer and sent you off into the woods, how long until you can send me an email? Guys are acting like they can just fab this shit up while eating cornflakes and skimming PH.

 

Intel was good to me, no complaints. AMD is good to me too, a little boring.. good ram helps.

[iCoNrant]

11 minutes ago, Archer42 said:

Yeah, that's the thing.

Few % faster and a lot of hype by youtubers suddenly make specific cpu "a lot better" or alternatives "useless". Makes no sense at all.

To me at this point both intel and AMD seem ~similar, just need to choose correctly for specific usecase. There are cases when one platform can be better than other because of other things, not just performance...

Thats the whole point, YouTuber just hype 5600x then everyone recommended it. 

6 cores is enough for gaming now, if you looking for the future get something else that suited your needs. 

We are out of topic actually