NVMe SSD Raid 0 for games and everything else?

[TheNaitsyrk]

Hi there

 

I have X299 Dark and I need a VROC key to get Windows installed on NVMe RAID 0.

 

I dont want that so I was thinking to do software raid 0 with 2x NVMes and then another raid 0 with 2x NVMes and have Windows installed on the 5th NVMe.

 

Would it be beneficial to move files across these two raids and have games open up from them?

 

I am thinking movies large files and so on?

 

Opinions?

 

[jaslion]

Why? There are no games in existance that even really benefit from having the fastest ssd on the planet or just your regular old sata mx500 ssd. Most you'll get is like a second or so saved if at all (often it's just margin of error really).

 

Raid 0 nvme drives is also not at all meant to have an os on there. More so for moveis and files this is pointless there is no reason for these speeds at all a normal hard drive is plenty fast for movie storage.

 

Just leave it as it is and move on here there is no reason for raid now or in the future. Even with the new consoles raid will still be pointless as well you know there are always hard limits.

[Oshino Shinobu]

Why do you want to RAID 0 NVMe drives?

 

The use cases you've given (OS, games and movies) are three things that barely even benefit from going NVMe over a good SATA SSD, so you'll get nothing but the downsides of RAID 0 if you use it for those purposes. 

[ki8aras]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

Why? There are no games in existance that even really benefit from having the fastest ssd on the planet or just your regular old sata mx500 ssd. Most you'll get is like a second or so saved if at all (often it's just margin of error really).

 

Raid 0 nvme drives is also not at all meant to have an os on there. More so for moveis and files this is pointless there is no reason for these speeds at all a normal hard drive is plenty fast for movie storage.

 

Just leave it as it is and move on here there is no reason for raid now or in the future. Even with the new consoles raid will still be pointless as well you know there are always hard limits.

i think they just wanna use it to decomplicate their file management, like having 3 volumes showing up in file explorer instead of 5

[kb5zue]

If you're looking to upgrade your drive speed, there really isn't anything to gain by putting 2ssd's in a Raid 0.  SSD's are an electrical device, not like your old mechanical hard-drive.  Since an SSD operates as electromagnetic waves at about the speed of light, which is 670,616,629 miles per hour, or 1 or 300 million meters per second there is really no advantage to using SSD's in Raid.  Actually, some people believe that using SSD's in Raid could be hazardous because if just one drive fails, the entire Raid fails.  Good Luck.  PS: I use my 2 SSD's as Drive C: and Drive D:

[freeagent]

Intel Raid 0 on SSD is fast AF. I don't know if I would bother with it on NVME. The extra screen at post alone is killer

 

But I mean if you have the hardware try it out. It should boost the benches a bit.

[For Science!]

I wouldn't trust anything on software RAID, you are of course free to experiment but do it on data that you don't mind completely losing.  A little bit wondering exactly why you would be wanting to move files across two RAID0's, why not go all-in and just do RAID0 with four NVMEs instead? this is what I do for my workstation and some jobs actually benefit from it, though I do not think games and other measly tasks will see any gain.

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

Why? There are no games in existance that even really benefit from having the fastest ssd on the planet or just your regular old sata mx500 ssd. Most you'll get is like a second or so saved if at all (often it's just margin of error really).

 

Raid 0 nvme drives is also not at all meant to have an os on there. More so for moveis and files this is pointless there is no reason for these speeds at all a normal hard drive is plenty fast for movie storage.

 

Just leave it as it is and move on here there is no reason for raid now or in the future. Even with the new consoles raid will still be pointless as well you know there are always hard limits.

You just repeated what I said.

 

23 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Intel Raid 0 on SSD is fast AF. I don't know if I would bother with it on NVME. The extra screen at post alone is killer

 

But I mean if you have the hardware try it out. It should boost the benches a bit.

Well yes. I just wanted to move files between them quicker just thinking if it's worth it. I understand that RAID 0 can fail but I do have a HDD backup so all is good. 

 

You think leaving the NVMes as is is better idea?

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

You just repeated what I said.

Huh? I explained why it's not worth and reaffirmed that indeed windows on a raid is a bad idea?

 

Just leave em as is really you won't notice a difference.

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

 

 

You think leaving the NVMes as is is better idea?

I honestly don't know. If it were me I would try because that's just the way I am. I too have all of my stuff backed up more than once, just in case.. I'm not afraid of raid0, I ran it for years. I just got my first NVME drives a couple of months ago, and they crush my 545S's in every possible way.

[TheNaitsyrk]

1 minute ago, freeagent said:

I honestly don't know. If it were me I would try because that's just the way I am. I too have all of my stuff backed up more than once, just in case.. I'm not afraid of raid0, I ran it for years. I just got my first NVME drives a couple of months ago, and they crush my 545S's in every possible way.

Yeah I might move stuff on occasions between drives. I can't install it as Oas drive anyway no VROC keys. Just software RAID in Windows for files and games.

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Yeah I might move stuff on occasions between drives. I can't install it as Oas drive anyway no VROC keys. Just software RAID in Windows for files and games.

You cant just do it in the bios? Change from AHCI to RAID? After you save and exit it should bring you to the controller screen.

[TheNaitsyrk]

47 minutes ago, freeagent said:

You cant just do it in the bios? Change from AHCI to RAID? After you save and exit it should bring you to the controller screen.

Nope, it's X299 Dark.

[freeagent]

Bummer.

[TheNaitsyrk]

15 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Bummer.

I can if I buy VROC key.

[freeagent]

2 hours ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

I can if I buy VROC key.

100 bucks wtf.. That sucks. But its probably fun to play with lol

[Kilrah]

I have a system with 2 NVME drives win RAID0 through Intel RAID and it works great, as in "no drawbacks" since you'd almost never see an actual benefit unless you do long fast writes which was my reason for choosing that route vs a single, twice as big drive. When you have to write 400GB to the array as fast as possible which I had to do occasionally on that build (ingest footage from a bunch of cameras and being ready to view it in <10mins) each SSD only needing to write half of it avoids them throttling down as quick for cache or temp reasons.

[Bradley J]

On 2/23/2021 at 4:02 AM, TheNaitsyrk said:

Nope, it's X299 Dark.

did you buy the vroc key? Did it work? I've ordered one... I don't think itl work though... I bought the vrocstanmod it's supposed to do non Intel nvmes - but I think it only does so for Xeon servers - all x299 raid things I've researched point to raid only working with Intel nvme's on x299... if a vroc key is used...

[TheNaitsyrk]

On 9/4/2022 at 4:15 AM, Bradley J said:

did you buy the vroc key? Did it work? I've ordered one... I don't think itl work though... I bought the vrocstanmod it's supposed to do non Intel nvmes - but I think it only does so for Xeon servers - all x299 raid things I've researched point to raid only working with Intel nvme's on x299... if a vroc key is used...

It may work I never bought one