Confusing CPU names: Why is Ryzen 5 better than 7

[Akli]

I don't get whats with the names. Why do brands put numbers in names not correlating with the generarion or how new the are?

 

Rocky 2 comes after Rocky 1, easy. So why is it so confusing here?

Is there an easy way to discern generations by the name without having to go down a rabithole?

[Dedayog]

Ryzen 5 is the Tier.  Ryzen 7 is the more powerful tier above that.  Then Ryzen 9, etc.

 

 

What are you asking specifically?

 

[Kanna]

There is no confusion here ryzen 5 is not better than 7 you might be thinking of that 5000 cpu’s are more powerful than 3000 ones and that is true so I don’t see how you can get confused

[gloop]

I assume you are talking about how something like a Ryzen 5 3600x is better than a Ryzen 7 1700x? 
 

If so, it depends on the generations of the CPU. You can breakdown the Ryzen naming scheme:

 

Ryzen - Name of Product Line

5 - Tier (3, 5, 7, 9)

3600 - generation (1 = first generation, 2 = second, etc.)

3600 - similar to tier (3 = 100, 5 = 600, 7 = 700, 9 = 900)

X/G - other descriptors of the cpu (x = higher base clock, G = integrated graphics)

 

When you are on the same generation, generally the higher the tier the more powerful the chip. However, when you are on different generations, that is not always the case. For example, a 3600x is better at gaming than a 2700x, but the 2700x is better at multi-core workloads. 

 

[Akli]

2 minutes ago, Kanna said:

There is no confusion here ryzen 5 is not better than 7 you might be thinking of that 5000 cpu’s are more powerful than 3000 ones and that is true so I don’t see how you can get confused

Im checking usee benchmark, Ryzen 5 was released in 2020 and 7 in 2017.

And 5 gets more speed ranking

[SupaKomputa]

CPU numbering is only related to the same generation.

Is to put a classification on the target performance / price.

3 for super cheap 2-4 cores

5 for i want performance but not to expensive ,5 to 6 cores.

7 for moar cores tha better,8 cores

9 for ultra fancy ,12 - 16 cores.

Now you must be confuse how a Ryzen 5 5600x be better than a Ryzen 7 3700x.

Because it is much better if you calculate the raw performance.

1 cores of the 5600x is around 1.3x single core of the 3700x so if you sum it up it would perform on par or better.

Back to the classifications it is still considered Ryzen 5 not Ryzen 7 because of the amount of cores it has.

[bowrilla]

1 minute ago, Akli said:

Im checking usee benchmark, Ryzen 5 was released in 2020 and 7 in 2017.

And 5 gets more speed ranking

Ryzen 7 from 2017 is obviously older generation, most likely 1st gen Ryzen witz a 1 in front of it. @gloopexplained this.

[Akli]

3 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

CPU numbering is only related to the same generation.

Is to put a classification on the target performance / price.

3 for super cheap 2-4 cores

5 for i want performance but not to expensive ,5 to 6 cores.

7 for moar cores tha better,8 cores

9 for ultra fancy ,12 - 16 cores.

Now you must be confuse how a Ryzen 5 5600x be better than a Ryzen 7 3700x.

Because it is much better if you calculate the raw performance.

1 cores of the 5600x is around 1.3x single core of the 3700x so if you sum it up it would perform on par or better.

Back to the classifications it is still considered Ryzen 5 not Ryzen 7 because of the amount of cores it has.

Ahh, so the number related to core size and not generation. And the other number to each cores power.

 

I was comparing Ryzen 5 5600x vs 7 1700x.

[Akli]

4 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

Ryzen 7 from 2017 is obviously older generation, most likely 1st gen Ryzen witz a 1 in front of it. @gloopexplained this.

Yes, but still, the name is very counterintiutive to the average user. 

[bowrilla]

Just now, Akli said:

Yes, but still, the name is very counterintiutive to the average user. 

It's just the same with Intel's i3, i5, i7 and i9. It's very intuitive once you see the specs.

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, Akli said:

Yes, but still, the name is very counterintiutive to the average user. 

It's really not.

 

They have Tiers.  Then Generations of those Tiers.  Levels within those Generations.

 

Look at the entire list as a whole, and it's intuitive...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors

 

 

[SupaKomputa]

1 minute ago, Akli said:

I was comparing Ryzen 5 5600x vs 7 1700x.

1st gen ryzen vs 5th gen ryzen is a huge difference.

5th gen ryzen single cores can be 1.5x 1st gen.

 

The classifications for the number of cores are not set in stone, it could change, but it will always represent the pricing class.

This system was borrowed from Intel naming scheme.

from the early core iX, intel had a strict naming:

i3 for 2 cores, i5 for 4 cores + 4 threads and i7 for 4 cores + 8 threads.

Thanks to Ryzen this was changed in the 8th gen. Now Intel copied AMD's "cores" classifications. 

Maybe in 3-4 years this will change when more cores are available and cheaper to produce.

[Vishera]

Let's make it as confusing as possible in order to demonstrate what OP is talking about:

The Ryzen 3 3300X is more powerful in gaming than the Ryzen 7 1700

The Ryzen 5 5600X is more powerful in gaming than the Ryzen 7 2700

 

You welcome

[Akli]

30 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

It's really not.

 

They have Tiers.  Then Generations of those Tiers.  Levels within those Generations.

 

Look at the entire list as a whole, and it's intuitive...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors

 

 

 

Think is this way: You are not an expert in pcs, you are just some guy who want to buy a good PC. You see X-model 5, and X-model 7, you will think "X-model 7 is newer and better".

 

There might be some internal logic is these names (or even gpu names which are also awful in this regard), but its not intuitive. I mean, even in this logic, 7 means 8 cores and 9, 12.

 

And even then its not easy to discern the generation.

Thise are just awfully confusing names. Naming it: Gen X, Y cores, Z hz, would be so much better.

[Dedayog]

12 minutes ago, Akli said:

 

Think is this way: You are not an expert in pcs, you are just some guy who want to buy a good PC. You see X-model 5, and X-model 7, you will think "X-model 7 is newer and better".

 

There might be some internal logic is these names (or even gpu names which are also awful in this regard), but its not intuitive. I mean, even in this logic, 7 means 8 cores and 9, 12.

 

And even then its not easy to discern the generation.

Thise are just awfully confusing names. Naming it: Gen X, Y cores, Z hz, would be so much better.

How do you buy cars then?

 

F350 is better than F150, right?  What if the F350 is from 1989 and the F150 is 2020?

 

The fact you do not understand generations of products is something you will NEED to learn as you become a consumer.

[bowrilla]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

How do you buy cars then?

 

F350 is better than F150, right?  What if the F350 is from 1989 and the F150 is 2020?

 

The fact you do not understand generations of products is something you will NEED to learn as you become a consumer.

Or, as an even more fitting analogy:

BMW 3 series, 5 series, 7 series. Nobody in their right mind would compare a 2020 3 series high end model with a 1995 7 series midrange one.

[Akli]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

How do you buy cars then?

 

F350 is better than F150, right?  What if the F350 is from 1989 and the F150 is 2020?

 

The fact you do not understand generations of products is something you will NEED to learn as you become a consumer.

Thats another example of awful model naming. 

[-rascal-]

4 minutes ago, Akli said:

Thats another example of awful model naming. 

 

But even like comparing a 2017 Ryzen 5 1600X vs a 2020 Ryzen 5 5600X.

The Ryzen 5600X is the newer and faster one.

 

It's like asking why is a GTX 980 slower than a RTX 3070....

GTX 980 came out in 2014...it was the "flagship" of 2014.

 

The 1998 Honda Civic Si vs a 2021 Honda Civic Si.

There is no comparison between the two.

 

But it's like how are you supposed to create a model naming that makes sense?

We know a BMW M8 is faster than a BMW M3...

Or Audi RS5 is faster than a RS3...

 

 

[Dedayog]

12 minutes ago, Akli said:

Thats another example of awful model naming. 

So do we name the F150 the F160 then F180 then F267 until it eclipses the F250 which is now the F289?

 

Do we take every single CPU and name them in as their respective "power"?

 

We should just have the Ryzen 3600, 3605, and then 5900?  Next year we release the 3601. unless it's faster than the 3605 and then it would be named the 3606 instead?

 

You cannot constantly jumble products  comparatively against all other current and previous and possible future products.

 

Or rather, if you have a better naming convention by all means outline it.

[Mister Woof]

If you think Ryzen is confusing with names.......you'll love Intel.

 

AMD I feel has done a fine job with the naming convention of their Ryzen CPUs. However, at some point they'll have to re-brand them in some way to make them easier to identify or else they too will end up with the mess Intel faces. I mean they kinda skipped 4000 altogether, sort of. So they only have 4 more to go before they hit Intel territory of messy names.