YOUR STRIX 3090 WILL FAIL RMA IT NOW (Missing thermal pads,Fan noise,Coil whine)

[Zilla]

So the AMD RX6000 sucks buttholes in my eyes and here is why i am getting a FTW3 ULTRA 3090 in less than a week

 

www.Ebuyer.com has a great support line but the £30 off is a drop in the ocean when it comes to losing customers.

 

Cons

1. The gync monitor support is limited and does not support one of my screens (biggest issue)

2. The AMD drivers crashed after DDU from safe mode when starting warzone (normal ish for new hardware)

3. The OSD for the card is rly bad (can be fixed)

4. Feels light and cheap, like it could be a single slot card but made to look bigger

5. In raw path trace rendering its not as fast as one might think. Lumion, vue eon 10 and the blender support did not wow.

 

Pros

1. They have way less input latency, just from a blind feel through the mouse it feels very sharp (even without freesync) snapy AF

2. Hit 2350mhz auto oc and a little over manual (gj there)

3. power usage

 

In the end it came down to no freesync on a gync monitor...... once you try it you cant live without it (better than DLSS any day in my eyes)

 

..................Now the next part of the story, will the FTW3 be a grade A or a bag of dieing kittens at full load? Would you have done the same? Does your 3090 any brand whine? To be continued and one.................. 

[Zilla]

I have the offer of a STRIX OC again or a month wait for the FTW3 ultra...... what would you do? that guy in that video had 3 STRIX cards that all whined or had issues? 

 

Cheers for any help

[Zberg]

On 1/22/2021 at 3:16 PM, Zilla said:

Made this video because i am so angry. So this is the norm now??? why are so many people reporting this, has it happened to your 3090? please tell me because i am lost........... ohhhh great linus please help me 

 

 

My rig 

5960x nhd-15 4.4ghz but happens at 3ghz also

32gb ram 2400 oc'ed to 3000hz (changed and nothing)

1tb nvme

5 140mm fans 

hx1200i psu just brought new (used a 1000w none rated 2000w gold)

asus x99-s mobo (old but well looked after and i even clean the vrm now and then)

 

 you guys and any help we be rewarded with a shiney 3050ti......... picture (my inner scalper)

 

Jermaine from FOTC?!?!

 

[Zberg]

My friend unfortunately this is not limited to brand or manufacturer.

 

I have had 2 strix 2080ti's now.  One had loud coil whine the other whisper quiet.

 

I had an EVGA 2080ti that had some, kind of annoying, but quieter than the strix.

 

My EVGA 3080 FTW3 has coil whine similar to the strix I had before (...which is unfortunately loud)

 

An EVGA 1660ti I had literally 0 coil whine.  You couldnt tell I had a GPU it was so quiet.

 

And I can happily report, this cheapy zotac 3090 had 0 coil whine with stock cooler and has 0 whine with EKWB installed.

 

But seriously, it can happen with any brand, on any card.  It is annoying.  I have had some that I hoped would go away with a WB attached, and in the case of the EVGA 2080ti it got the tiniest bit better, in the case of the strix 2080ti it remained the same.  I am very meticulous with installation/thermal pads.  

 

 

 

On a side note, I feel like PC's with their previously not great cooling and loud fans, were just louder all the time and it masked coil whine.  Nowadays, a PC with good noctua or other great brand's fans will be whisper quiet for the most part so you hear EVERYTHING.  Makes coil whine even worse, IMO.

[Zberg]

As a final note, in terms of my 3090.  I will say I am happy with it.  

 

The clocks are low.  No doubt about it.  The zotac is basically stuck at FE levels.

 

However, I was able to get a very stable +100 core / + 700 memory OC, which is honestly better than I thought I would get for a card that has the power limit locked to 100% with only 2x 8 pins.  

 

It is crazy smooth, and I am very happy at 4k gaming.  Games run great, and hitting a little above the FE benchmarks (by 4-5 FPS in games) at 4k.   Wish it hit higher clocks and had more power, but happy it is killing it at 1500$.  The 24gb VRAM and horsepower of the card is nice in blender as well.  Would have take an ASUS TUF or gigabyte eagle if I had the chance, but the supply is what it is.

 

Zero coil whine.  But, the next guy could very well get one that is loud AF, luck of the draw.

[Zilla]

Hi Zberg.....wooop woooop wooop wooop lol 

 

Thank you for your feedback my friend and i understand what your saying plus I've had cards that made coil whine at high FPS but my video was done at 60FPS capped in a lobby? But to support what you said, i have taken another 3090 Strix OC in the hope it's just bad luck, so lets hope its a good one or your paying for my next FTW3 ultra..... deal? 

 

List of stuff i have found out

 

1. Why i think its not the PSU, i have tried 4.

 Kolink 1000w 80+ (3 years old and made the 3090 crash on game launch, i think due to the PSU degrading over time) 

 2000w Mining PSU new (No fan control is why i sent it back plus it Coil whined)

 Artic Gold+ 1300W PSU new (Coil whine)

 Corsair HX1200i PSU new (Coil whine)

 

2. Not the fans causing the whine noise because i stopped each one and it did not change a thing. I poked and held the back plate with no change in the sound along with squeezing the frame.

 

3. I ran blender, lumion, 3dcoat and vue renders from path tracing too ray tracing and heard not a sound, the same goes for furmark and kombuster but however when you load warzone it screams like a pig being poked with a hot iron? (How could this be FANS? or a bad fan curve? plus people who put a water block on the card say the sound gets worse, one guy who removed the backplate said the sound stopped but i don't know if this is true)

 

4. I have heard nvidia might have a too aggressive boost table for the cards because of the black screen crashes (maybe BS) 

 

5. The sound comes from the back left of the card close to the IO, there are two caps there that are not on the 3080, could those be the issue?

 

6. Found a post of a guy who has re-pasted his 3090 strix oc and added extra/thicker pads with no change to the buzzing, he is sending it back to scan asap. (good luck with that RMA) 

 

7. Had a friend who knows more than me say its in this area. That's also the location of the sound from the card when buzzing (see picture)

 

I will solve this if it kills me  Thank you for any help guys and gals  

[Zilla]

Found this

 

"I fixed my rattling at 62-66% speed issue completely. Always happened when I was running a certain compute workload and could recreate the issue repeatably.

Using sag supports, doing vertical case or mount, or applying pressure elsewhere partially fixed it but it arose again when the card was loaded differently.


Now it's gone everywhere.

I Cut three 2x2cm pieces of paper towel.

Then folded 3 times each to make small rectangles.

Using tweezers poking through the blades and without disassembling the card, I shoved them firmly under these plastic pieces that hold the fans, once for each of the three fans until I saw the plastic part lift a little.

It is important that whatever you put in there is fairly tight to put tension/load on the fan mount like a spring, and to prevent the shim from possibly falling out over time.

That raised the fans away from the fin stack.

I tested by tapping the middle of the fan with my finger. Before it would make a clicking sound like something was loose. Now it makes a muffled solid "thunk".

Shimming the middle fan stopped nearly all of the high pitched rattle and changed the pitch to a barely audible duller one.

Shimming all three fans stopped all rattle in all load scenarios. Now I only hear regular fan and air noise."

[WhitetailAni]

I can't hear it, even with 2 GPUs.

Might be because I've got a lot of other things running that drowns it out.

[Nena Trinity]

Coil-whine is from the PCB and normally only happeing on high power consumption stuff, 200w+ I would just try to ignore it especially these days where you are lucky just to get a damn card... UwU

[Zilla]

Wanted to put the findings together, so here it goes.

1.There is a missing thermal pad on the left side of the PCB that is present on all other 3090's, It also has fin cutouts into the heatsink so you couldn't add your own thermal pads even if you wanted to.

2. Its 10000% the location of the sound and it must cause the coil whine to be amplified in my eyes.

3. Seeing as the memory chips are also hitting 105c on the FE, my STRIX card missing a thermal pad would have 100% killed it in the long run.

4. No contact on two memory chips (consistently) that hit 105c on the FE with thermal pads

DONT BUY THIS CARD, IT CAN BRAKE ANYTIME (Source image is from https://videocardz.com and i wrote over them)

 

 

 

[Zilla]

Just got my new 3090 FTW3 ULTRA, no coil whine after heavy testing, the STRIX cards are defective 1000%.

 

GG ONLY TOOK LIKE £8000.00 AND MANY MONTHS OF TESTING

[Zilla]

This is why the FTW3 ultra is better, look at the extra metal plate................ The strix cards are defective by design.

 

They banned me from the ASUS forums calling it spam, only making 2 posts

 

Ebuyer went above and beyond to fix the issue for me and the FTW3 card is perfect in every way. 

 

P.S Some thoughts: i think nvidia/board partners don't release large numbers of cards on any release because if they are defective they will have to recall more cards. Its very simple, you pay extra to be a beta tester... but they dont tell you this

[Falkentyne]

2 hours ago, Zilla said:

This is why the FTW3 ultra is better, look at the extra metal plate................ The strix cards are defective by design.

 

They banned me from the ASUS forums calling it spam, only making 2 posts

 

Ebuyer went above and beyond to fix the issue for me and the FTW3 card is perfect in every way. 

 

P.S Some thoughts: i think nvidia/board partners don't release large numbers of cards on any release because if they are defective they will have to recall more cards. Its very simple, you pay extra to be a beta tester... but they dont tell you this

 

I'll be waiting for your next thread when you rip eVGA with a pitchfork and start telling everyone to buy Zotac or MSI, after your FTW3 3090 dies with the red LED light of death while playing Halo or League of Legends.

 

The Strix is the best non LN2 card on the market once you properly thermal pad it.  It has the highest internal power rail limits once you shunt mod the card (avoids MSVDD throttling in Timespy Extreme, unlike all other reference / FE cards that are shunt modded).

[Guest]

Oh man, kind of noisy for a Gpu. 

 

You should of heard my PSU when I ran a couple benches with a 6ghz 8700K and GTX 980. Screamed like a mad wild banshee. I'm sure it was louder when I set up the GTX 580s in SLI. I was curious if it where to set on fire. Nope. The power supply is louder than your card on certain stress levels lol. 

 

Good show on the teardown. I've seen quite a few cards through time with terrible thermal paste applications and plenty of thermal pads looks as if just slapped on real quick. I figured those where Monday builds after a good hang over sports weeked or something. 

 

Anyhow, the memory being heat sinked is solely due to the lack of air flow on the Vmem. Running memory naked typically isn't really harmful, decent air flow is all memory needs. Thermal pads are horrible thermal conductors. When I use a waterblock on my GPUs, I've never gone out of my way to heat sink the memory. 

 

What will kill your memory is overclocking the snot out of it. It produces figures however, the Gpu overclock isn't everything

 

Hopefully after the re-assemble of your Gpu, it's less noisy. Doesn't hurt to check for loose fins on the heat sink. I've encountered those vibrating and making noise as well.

[Zilla]

19 hours ago, Falkentyne said:

 

I'll be waiting for your next thread when you rip eVGA with a pitchfork and start telling everyone to buy Zotac or MSI, after your FTW3 3090 dies with the red LED light of death while playing Halo or League of Legends.

 

The Strix is the best non LN2 card on the market once you properly thermal pad it.  It has the highest internal power rail limits once you shunt mod the card (avoids MSVDD throttling in Timespy Extreme, unlike all other reference / FE cards that are shunt modded).

Nope it runs perfectly, EVGA knows how to use stickers.......... You can't say all those people posting videos on youtube are just being sensitive? You shouldn't have too mod a card back to a working state when you spend so much cash on it, also you cant fix it unless you buy a water block because there are cutouts on the air cooler that do not allow for a thermal pad to make contact. 

 

@ShrimpBrine Thank you for your feedback and good information

 

Facts:

1. The card has no plate on the left side to remove heat causing a louder than normal coil whine sound.

2. There is a consistent lack of contact on 2 memory chips shown on all Strix cards.

3. The card is defective by design

4. Never told anyone to buy any branded card, just not Asus 

 

 i am done with this post for now, please read the full post before replying and make your own mind up only after

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Zilla said:

You shouldn't have too mod a card back to a working state when you spend so much cash on it,

100% agree.

[Mark Kaine]

On 1/30/2021 at 3:05 AM, Zberg said:

On a side note, I feel like PC's with their previously not great cooling and loud fans, were just louder all the time and it masked coil whine.  Nowadays, a PC with good noctua or other great brand's fans will be whisper quiet for the most part so you hear EVERYTHING.  Makes coil whine even worse, IMO.

While that's maybe true for many pcs, my old 'rig' a HP prebuilt bought in 2008 with Athlon 64 X2 cpu and a ATi X1950 GT (fanless) was whisper quiet and would play games at 1080p/30 fps, or 720p/60 fps... I also don't remember the psu as loud, more like you didn't even hear it (especially compared to a PS3) 

[Zilla]

Hey Mark many thanks for your feedback. The FTW3 card has no coil whine even when maxing it out in games or benchmarks, just fan noise and even that is low.

 

Calling it coil whine in this case does not do it justice, i would call it coil-echo from lack of thermal pads.... THE STRIX CARDS DONT WORK ON AIR

 

 Zilla

 

 

[Fatti]

I watch a few disassembly videos on youtube, as you said there is no thermal pad on the left side.

I'm waiting my Strix 3080 order and i'm not sure is this card safe to use anymore, but looking at the people's reaction i'm not sure is this a big deal or not, too.

[GamerDude]

On 2/19/2021 at 6:43 AM, ShrimpBrime said:

100% agree.

Agree with your agreement! 

 

To spend that much on a card, one should expect a certain amount of QC and performance. If OP has to mod the card to lessen the coil whine, it tells me the manufacturer has been pretty lax with their QC, and perhaps design. That's why,, when it comes to my card purchases, usually AMD, I tend to choose cards from exclusive AIB's like PowerColor/Sapphire/XFX (XFX oddly enough, used to be an nVidia exclusive AIB, but they parted way a while back).

 

For nVidia, it'd be exclusive AIB's like eVGA/Palit/Leadtek/etc....I have a Leadtek GTX 1080 Hurricane OC and it's doing a nice job in my HTPC for a while now. I had a Palit RTX 2080 Ti and it was a joy to use....and no, I had no coil whine problem with it as well.

[Lecom1020]

i had luck with my 3090 strix oc  no coil whine good temps (vs other strix 3090s) my buddy got one with extreme coil whine he was raging and hit it with a screwdriver and it stopped ( please dont hit your 3090 with a srewdriver )