5900X - bad choose? wait for 11th gen intel?

[Zowy1]

I order the 5900X and dont know if return it..

I want to play games and open many browser tabs.. and maybe open many softwares.. dont know if doing editing in the future..

what you think? this 12 cores are future-proofing maybe of 6 cores? 

 

or I use that money of 5900X to upgrade the 5600X in the future..

what about 11th gen of intel? 

[Applefreak]

8 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

I order the 5900X and dont know if return it..

I want to play games and open many browser tabs.. and maybe open many softwares.. dont know if doing editing in the future..

what you think? this 12 cores are future-proofing maybe of 6 cores? 

 

or I use that money of 5900X to upgrade the 5600X in the future..

what about 11th gen of intel? 

Software tabs can be handled by any modern quad core already. As for editing, if your application is more cpu bound, those extra cores will make a big difference. However if you are rendering with nvenc instead, you can get by with a less powerful cpu. If you want to stay future proof, I would however recommend a 8 core cpu. If Intel or AMD is your choice and may come down to availability of parts. Intel next gen stuff is not even out yet while AMD cpus are out of stock most times. If editing videos in 4k or up is something you want do and heavy workloads with multiple applications running is your thing, you cannot go wrong with the 12 core for a balance of workstation tasks and gaming. For gaming an lighter tasks an 8 core would be fine. For gaming only and occasional video editing, you can get by with a 6 core as well.

[WhitetailAni]

27 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

or I use that money of 5900X to upgrade the 5600X in the future..

what about 11th gen of intel? 

11th gen Intel won't be able to compete with the 5900X as it is limited to 8 cores.

[Zowy1]

1 minute ago, ragnarok0273 said:

11th gen Intel won't be able to compete with the 5900X as it is limited to 8 cores.

they have i9...

 

[G0dSpeed]

3 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

they have i9...

 

This gen I9 was 10 cores next gen is back to 8 cores (a dumb decision but, true)

[Zowy1]

2 minutes ago, G0dSpeed said:

Last gen I9 was 10 cores current gen is back to 8 cores (a dumb decision but, true)

why they do that?

I see 11900k will be stronger than 5900X

[G0dSpeed]

4 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

they have i9...

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-rocket-lake-s-11th-gen-core-cpu-lineup-specs-leak-out-flagship-core-i9-11900k/

[Badger906]

if you think you need 12 cores and 24 threads but don't actually know what and how you'll use them then you don't need them lol. 

and future proof? against what? tomorrow all games may require 24 threads lol nobody knows because its the future. buy the cpu for what you need now. not what you'll need in the future. by the time you get there things could be way cheaper and way more powerful. 

unless you're rendering super detailed models and or editing 8k footage in real time without gpu acceleration, a 6 or 8 core will be fine. hell I do 3d cad and rendering on m1 MacBook lol, that has a mobile processor in it these days. admittedly its stupidly powerful for its size but it does just as good of job as my main desktop

[xg32]

3 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

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They are limited to 8 cores (lol) Everything we know about 11th gen so far indicate that it's gonna suck, at best beat out zen 3 in gaming...by a little, as a long time user, i'm not the least bit interested. 5900x is 100% the right choice, you are not missing anything. Sit on it and wait for both sides to work out their 7nm/5nm with ddr5. 

[WhitetailAni]

11 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

they have i9...

For whatever reason, the Core i9-11900K will have 8 cores and 16 threads.

Don't ask me why.

[Zowy1]

5 minutes ago, xg32 said:

They are limited to 8 cores (lol) Everything we know about 11th gen so far indicate that it's gonna suck, at best beat out zen 3 in gaming...by a little, as a long time user, i'm not the least bit interested. 5900x is 100% the right choice, you are not missing anything. Sit on it and wait for both sides to work out their 7nm/5nm with ddr5. 

maybe the 11th gen good for me?

you think best wait for ddr5 or buy now processor? for years.

 

[xg32]

2 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

maybe the 11th gen good for me?

you think best wait for ddr5 or buy now processor? for years.

 

11th gen is the one that's limited to 8 cores, again, i wouldn't touch it, and i wouldn't touch first gen ddr5 either, i'm in the process of planning out a 5950x build to replace a 8600k build, not worried about next gen at all.

 

I still remember first gen ddr2, ddr3, ddr4, yikes.

[Zowy1]

2 minutes ago, xg32 said:

11th gen is the one that's limited to 8 cores, again, i wouldn't touch it, and i wouldn't touch first gen ddr5 either, i'm in the process of planning out a 5950x build to replace a 8600k build, not worried about next gen at all.

 

I still remember first gen ddr2, ddr3, ddr4, yikes.

why does it matter? ddr5 going faster so.. why you skip the first gen..

maybe next year on new ryzen? because they release new socket 

[xg32]

3 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

why does it matter? ddr5 going faster so.. why you skip the first gen..

maybe next year on new ryzen? because they release new socket 

there's always new stuff, iirc first gen of memory adaptation were always buggy or is just flat out slower with bad timings. 11th gen intel will not beat zen 3 by any meaningful margin. That's all that matters for now, and will lose in anything that uses more than 8 cores.

[Zowy1]

57 minutes ago, xg32 said:

there's always new stuff, iirc first gen of memory adaptation were always buggy or is just flat out slower with bad timings. 11th gen intel will not beat zen 3 by any meaningful margin. That's all that matters for now, and will lose in anything that uses more than 8 cores.

Which things use more than 8 cores?

and I dont sure because.. I read the DDR5 was a high speed.. I think 4800Mhz or more.. but wait?

 

[Loki0111]

7 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

I order the 5900X and dont know if return it..

I want to play games and open many browser tabs.. and maybe open many softwares.. dont know if doing editing in the future..

what you think? this 12 cores are future-proofing maybe of 6 cores? 

 

or I use that money of 5900X to upgrade the 5600X in the future..

what about 11th gen of intel? 

 

I'd personally go for the 5900X, while Intel may get back the gaming crown for 11th gen there is going to be a significant power and thermal cost for them to do that given the node disadvantage.

 

Also I suspect even if they get back the crown it will be just barely and AMD will just take it again for 6000 series.

 

There is no real compelling argument to buy Intel right now unless you are getting some crazy deal.

 

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Which things use more than 8 cores?

and I dont sure because.. I read the DDR5 was a high speed.. I think 4800Mhz or more.. but wait?

 

 

Any heavy workloads that makes use of multicore. Keep in mind the i9 series is targeted at enthusiasts are heavy users. My understand is Intel is stuck on core count right now because their 14nm node is effectively handicapping them. My expectation for Intel 11th gen is they will close the distance on the single core performance again (probably tying or eeking out a tiny lead) but I expect they'll fall even further behind on multicore performance.

 

For me I use the multicore performance in some simulation type games, file compression utilities, work when I have a lot of intensive apps open at once (this is usually cad/design modelling), etc.

 

My system is often hitting 15-20 threads loaded. Some apps will simply eat everything available when crunching, in which case I'm using all cores pushed right to the wall for a sustained period of time.

 

The other thing to keep in mind for gaming is both new consoles are packing 8 core zen 2 chips so there is a lot of expectation we are going to see more and more games taking advantage of that multicore performance. As a general rule you don't want to have a gaming PC that is weaker then the most recent gen of consoles. While this does not apply to the 11th gen i9's it will apply to the 11th gen i5's and possibly i7's.

[BTGbullseye]

5 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

Which things use more than 8 cores?

Cyberpunk 2077, most rendering programs, lots of productivity software...

5 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

and I dont sure because.. I read the DDR5 was a high speed.. I think 4800Mhz or more.. but wait?

If it's 4800MT/s at incredibly crap timings, (as it's likely to be for the entire first generation) then even 3200 with good timings will wipe the floor with it. We've seen it happen with DDR2, DDR3, and DDR4. No one in their right mind would ever recommend first gen of any new RAM type before it even comes out.

[Zowy1]

3 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Cyberpunk 2077, most rendering programs, lots of productivity software...

If it's 4800MT/s at incredibly crap timings, (as it's likely to be for the entire first generation) then even 3200 with good timings will wipe the floor with it. We've seen it happen with DDR2, DDR3, and DDR4. No one in their right mind would ever recommend first gen of any new RAM type before it even comes out.

What? CP2077 uses more than 8 cores? I dont think..

[BTGbullseye]

6 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

What? CP2077 uses more than 8 cores? I dont think..

It uses as many cores as you throw at it. My 5800X is using all 16 threads with it right now.

[Mister Woof]

13 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

It uses as many cores as you throw at it. My 5800X is using all 16 threads with it right now.

My 8700k routinely plays that game between 75-90% load, and at times (not often, but there are times) when Gpu drops below 80%

 

Time to upgrade

[Zowy1]

18 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

My 8700k routinely plays that game between 75-90% load, and at times (not often, but there are times) when Gpu drops below 80%

 

Time to upgrade

Why upgrade? only because the load percentages?

or you wanna do more things when the game will run

[steelo]

17 hours ago, Zowy1 said:

I order the 5900X and dont know if return it..

I want to play games and open many browser tabs.. and maybe open many softwares.. dont know if doing editing in the future..

what you think? this 12 cores are future-proofing maybe of 6 cores? 

 

or I use that money of 5900X to upgrade the 5600X in the future..

what about 11th gen of intel? 

Nothing wrong with a 5900x although it may be overkill unless you plan on doing some hardcore editing. I'd opt for more RAM (at least 16gb but preferably 32gb)

[SavageNeo]

7 minutes ago, Zowy1 said:

Why upgrade? only because the load percentages?

because cyperbunk. while 8700k is still good Ryzen is now simply better.

 

 

[SavageNeo]

DDR5 will be extra expensive with bad timings at firts. give it a year or two or mayby even three.

Inel will probably take the crown in gaming by small margin but 5900x will have 4 more cores than 11900k.

[Zowy1]

24 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

DDR5 will be extra expensive with bad timings at firts. give it a year or two or mayby even three.

Inel will probably take the crown in gaming by small margin but 5900x will have 4 more cores than 11900k.

But it is only rumor.. maybe have ddr5 support on next ryzen? because new socket this year..