3070 or 3080

[rippy4500]

current specs:

r5 2600

8gb ddr4 2666

Evga gtx 970

I plan to get a 16gb 3600 ram kit with my system if I get the cheaper 3070
I have a budget of about 700$ for a new gpu, and I’m wondering which of these gpus I should get because the 3080 will be great, but the 3070 with better ram will be more balanced for my system. (I plan to get the founders edition gpus from Best Buy when they’re in stock)

[Bobbysixjp]

What resolution/refresh rate?

[Sakkura]

6800XT?

[rippy4500]

Just now, Bobbysixjp said:

What resolution/refresh rate?

4K 60

[rippy4500]

3 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

6800XT?

I’d rather get the 3080, it’s only $50 more and I like how the 3080 FE looks, and it’s about the same performance

[Bobbysixjp]

Depending on the type of games, a 3070 might suffice. Although a 3080 would allow you to reach 60 FPS for longer (ie more ‘futureproof’). 

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, rippy4500 said:

I’d rather get the 3080, it’s only $50 more and I like how the 3080 FE looks

6800XT will be better thought. and 3080 fe should be more than 50$ more expensive. wait for actual reviews and decide. i would get performance over look honeslty.

[BenOver]

6 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

current specs:

r5 2600

8gb ddr4 2666

Evga gtx 970

I plan to get a 16gb 3600 ram kit with my system if I get the cheaper 3070
I have a budget of about 700$ for a new gpu, and I’m wondering which of these gpus I should get because the 3080 will be great, but the 3070 with better ram will be more balanced for my system. (I plan to get the founders edition gpus from Best Buy when they’re in stock)

that 2600 might be a bad bottle neck even at 4k to a 3080

[Stahlmann]

For a consistent 4K60 experience you should get at least a 3080 or 6800XT.

[rippy4500]

3 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

6800XT will be better thought. and 3080 fe should be more than 50$ more expensive. wait for actual reviews and decide. i would get performance over look honeslty.

Performance was shown to be about the same, and the 3080 shows 699.99 on Best Buy and that’s probably not gonna change when it’s in stock. I’ll wait for reviews but for now I’m not really considering the 6800 xt.

[Mark Kaine]

If you're asking that question it means you got tha cash so get the better card, simple? 

[BTGbullseye]

21 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

I’d rather get the 3080, it’s only $50 more and I like how the 3080 FE looks, and it’s about the same performance

Same performance, until you overclock them. The 3080 at stock is right on the edge of stability already, (as has been shown by all the overclocking competitions that can't do anything significant without using LN2) whereas the 6800XT has automatic overclocking settings that can produce significant gains, (shown in other comparison charts) which were turned off for the comparison chart.

[rippy4500]

12 minutes ago, BenOver said:

that 2600 might be a bad bottle neck even at 4k to a 3080

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

If you're asking that question it means you got tha cash so get the better card, simple? 

I said I would upgrade my ram if I get the cheaper 3070

[rippy4500]

6 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Same performance, until you overclock them. The 3080 at stock is right on the edge of stability already, (as has been shown by all the overclocking competitions that can't do anything significant without using LN2) whereas the 6800XT has automatic overclocking settings that can produce significant gains, (shown in other comparison charts) which were turned off for the comparison chart.

I don’t plan on overclocking. So I don’t really care that much. I just trust nvidia gpus to be more reliable, so I’m still not really interested that much in the 6800 xt even if I do lose some overclocking capability with the 3080.

[BTGbullseye]

1 minute ago, rippy4500 said:

I don’t plan on overclocking. So I don’t really care that much.

Unwilling to click a single button in the driver software that gives you effectively free performance?

2 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

I just trust nvidia gpus to be more reliable

That trust is misplaced. Don't trust ANY brand, as they couldn't care less about you. They would absolutely skip updating the drivers or innovating if they wouldn't directly financially benefit from doing it. (and their drivers are NOT more reliable, even if you've had good experiences before)

[rippy4500]

2 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Unwilling to click a single button in the driver software that gives you effectively free performance?

That trust is misplaced. Don't trust ANY brand, as they couldn't care less about you. They would absolutely skip updating the drivers or innovating if they wouldn't directly financially benefit from doing it. (and their drivers are NOT more reliable, even if you've had good experiences before)

I’ve never had a single driver related issue with my 970 in the last 4 or 5 years I’ve had it. And i don’t really want to overclock even then because they are both 300+ watt gpus and I don’t have great airflow in my case so both of them will run hotter and/or be louder. I know some aspects of the 6800xt are better but I want a gpu that I’m confident won’t have any issues.

[BTGbullseye]

6 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

I’ve never had a single driver related issue with my 970 in the last 4 or 5 years I’ve had it. And i don’t really want to overclock even then because they are both 300+ watt gpus and I don’t have great airflow in my case so both of them will run hotter and/or be louder. I know some aspects of the 6800xt are better but I want a gpu that I’m confident won’t have any issues.

Actually, the 6800XT is a maximum of 300w total board power, whereas the 3080 is 320w average power. The 6800XT will be easier to keep cooler, and requires less power from your PSU.

[rippy4500]

2 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Actually, the 6800XT is a maximum of 300w total board power, whereas the 3080 is 320w average power. The 6800XT will be easier to keep cooler, and requires less power from your PSU.

Those power ratings are at stock, if I overclock them they will be hotter than that. And my psu is 750w so power draw isn’t an issue.

[BTGbullseye]

3 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

Those power ratings are at stock, if I overclock them they will be hotter than that. And my psu is 750w so power draw isn’t an issue.

Then compared at stock, they have effectively identical performance, and the AMD board is both cooler and less expensive. I fully expect it to stay cooler even when overclocked as well.

[rippy4500]

17 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Then compared at stock, they have effectively identical performance, and the AMD board is both cooler and less expensive. I fully expect it to stay cooler even when overclocked as well.

I need a gpu that works and doesn’t run hot/loud and doesn’t have any problems. That’s why I don’t plan on overclocking, and if I do in the future, nvidia has an auto overclocking feature in msi afterburner. If I wanted to overclock I might choose the 6800 xt but right now I would rather buy a 3080.

[BTGbullseye]

2 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

I need a gpu that works and doesn’t run hot/loud and doesn’t have any problems.

From all current indications, that's the 6800XT.

2 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

I would rather buy a 3080.

Everything you've been saying has translated directly into "I am an Nvidia fanboi, but I don't want to admit it". The 6800XT fits all of your needs BETTER than the 3080, but you still say you would rather buy the 3080.

[Blademaster91]

13 minutes ago, rippy4500 said:

I need a gpu that works and doesn’t run hot/loud and doesn’t have any problems. That’s why I don’t plan on overclocking, and if I do in the future, nvidia has an auto overclocking feature in msi afterburner. If I wanted to overclock I might choose the 6800 xt but right now I would rather buy a 3080.

I recommend waiting for reviews of the 6800XT, the RTX 3080 doesn't really overclock much unless you go with a high end AIB model because Nvidia are pushing clocks pretty hard already. The 3080 FE can hit 80c at stock, so you'll also want to pick an AIB card like the Asus TUF or the 3080 FTW3 if you want lower temps.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

Unwilling to click a single button in the driver software that gives you effectively free performance?

That trust is misplaced. Don't trust ANY brand, as they couldn't care less about you. They would absolutely skip updating the drivers or innovating if they wouldn't directly financially benefit from doing it. (and their drivers are NOT more reliable, even if you've had good experiences before)

Not sure he trusts Nvidia just their drivers to work better.  Mostly I went Nvidia because it was available months earlier and DLSS/RTX performance.  It would be January if I were to wait for the 6800XT because I'd want  a good AIB, follow reviews, driver updates, etc.  I had a 5700XT for a brief time that had a serious bug. Nvidia at least tends to fix things fast and I know what I'm getting.

[ewitte]

50 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Actually, the 6800XT is a maximum of 300w total board power, whereas the 3080 is 320w average power. The 6800XT will be easier to keep cooler, and requires less power from your PSU.

Depends on the cooler that isn't a terribly huge difference in power.

[rippy4500]

1 minute ago, BTGbullseye said:

Everything you've been saying has translated directly into "I am an Nvidia fanboi, but I don't want to admit it".

I prefer nvidia because I have had good experiences with nvidia since I built my first pc in 2010. Not because I am a “fanboi”. I have reasons for being hesitant to buy an amd gpu

9 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

The 6800XT fits all of your needs BETTER than the 3080, but you still say you would rather buy the 3080.

Yes, it may have a lower tdp and be able to overclock further, but I told you my reasons for why I still would prefer a 3080.