RTX 30 series waste of money for 1080p gaming?

[Zelenia]

Hey,

 

I've watched some benchmarks and comparisons between RTX 2080ti and RTX 3080 and noticed than on 1080p there is sometimes barely any difference between FPS in 1080p. My monitors max resolution is 1920x1080 (Acer KG241).

 

I want to replace my current GPU (RTX 2060) with RTX 3060/3070 because I (probably) could run games more easily/silent in higher graphic settings.  

 

New RTX 2070S would still be like 600€ (450€ used) which is stupid to pay when RTX 3070 is 650€ and probably just little bit slower than 2080ti. So honestly, I don't see any reason to buy new RTX 2070S unless they cut prices.

 

Used market got lots of scammers online here where I live. Only few legit sales I've seen are asking like 450-500€ for a card (RTX 2070 normal or super) with no warranty left. 

 

So yeah, what you guys would do? I'm not going to replace my monitor soon but maybe in 3 years. 

 

[Teddy07]

3060 or 3070 will be a good choice for the future especially in more hardware intensive games with higher fps

[Deli]

3080 got so much hype, that people throw it to everything including 1080p and 720p. In my opinion if you prefer to stick with 1080p for a while, yes 3070 will be a more sensible choice.

[Tanaz]

At the moment I'd say anything above a 2070 Super is overkill for 1080p as you'll be CPU bottlenecked even with an i9 10900K overclocked to a gazillion ghz. With your current setup I wouldn't upgrade the GPU as you'll see little to no improvements with the Ryzen 5 3600. In certain cases you're even bottlenecking the 2060. Invest in case fans + good airflow and repaste your card. Don't buy tech you won't take any advantage of at your current use case and with your current hardware.

[ewitte]

For 1080p stick with 3070 or try to find a good deal on a used 2080/2080S.

[Tanaz]

24 minutes ago, ewitte said:

For 1080p stick with 3070 or try to find a good deal on a used 2080/2080S.

No.

[ewitte]

1 minute ago, Tanaz said:

No.

Always better to  have a little bit extra performance things will change a lot in the next few years with the new consoles out.

[BTGbullseye]

5 hours ago, Zelenia said:

So yeah, what you guys would do? I'm not going to replace my monitor soon but maybe in 3 years. 

You can always run games with resolution scales above 1. If you run it at 200%, that's the same as running at 4K, but you get the best anti-aliasing possible, with no loss in sharpness of the image.

[ewitte]

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

You can always run games with resolution scales above 1. If you run it at 200%, that's the same as running at 4K, but you get the best anti-aliasing possible, with no loss in sharpness of the image.

There are always games and settings that push ANY card you have.  Even at 3440x1440 I'd rater not run ray tracing without DLSS it can drop me into the 50s-60s.  Also another title I'm running doesn't even have ray tracing and with the ultra settings I'm frequently running in the lower 70s.  Some people prefer higher fps so a 3070 at 1080p may be able to stay closer to 100fps.  Its absolutely not overkill.

 

[Tanaz]

4 minutes ago, ewitte said:

There are always games and settings that push ANY card you have.  Even at 3440x1440 I'd rater not run ray tracing without DLSS it can drop me into the 50s-60s.  Also another title I'm running doesn't even have ray tracing and with the ultra settings I'm frequently running in the lower 70s.  Some people prefer higher fps so a 3070 at 1080p may be able to stay closer to 100fps.  Its absolutely not overkill.

 

You do realize the person has a 3600 CPU and the difference between a 3070 and a 2070 will be (most likely) less than 10%? You also gave this person advice that it's a good purchase decision to upgrade his 2060 to a 2080S when he AGAIN won't be getting the 2080's full performance with that CPU at 1080p. Please at the very least think about what advice you're giving and understand that money is involved. People might actually take it and basically burn their money.

[ewitte]

8 minutes ago, Tanaz said:

You do realize the person has a 3600 CPU and the difference between a 3070 and a 2070 will be (most likely) less than 10%? You also gave this person advice that it's a good purchase decision to upgrade his 2060 to a 2080S when he AGAIN won't be getting the 2080's full performance with that CPU at 1080p. Please at the very least think about what advice you're giving and understand that money is involved. People might actually take it and basically burn their money.

CPU when your GPU limited doesn't matter.  I just provided a GPU limited example.  Average fps at 1080p for the 2070S vs 3070 shows a 30% gain.  If its the same price why not?  The amount of titles being GPU limited is just going to go up.  If you want to save wait for availability to go up you can get a 2080 for less than 350 most likely.  For someone asking about a 3080/2080TI its a fine recommendation.  Had he been asking about a 2060 I would have had a different recommendation.

[Princess Luna]

I mean if you want 1080p60fps at "MAXIMUM SETTINGS" on any game you try then having more power is never too much, stuff like RDR2 already punishes video cards hard and the latest games like Assassin's Creed Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will certainly be no exception.

 

a R5 3600 is likely to keep up with the 60hz target just fine on w/e game you try.

[Gamer Schnitzel]

OP don't bother upgrading unless you have a reason. If everything is running fine it makes no sense to go out and spend money.

[theo.r]

5 hours ago, Gamer Schnitzel said:

OP don't bother upgrading unless you have a reason. If everything is running fine it makes no sense to go out and spend money.

I would get the card and use it to get more consistent frames

[Tinitis]

Unless it's really not performing now, I'd say stick with the 2060. In 3 years when you upgrade your monitor, you can get an RTX 5070/5080 (or whatever is out then) and it will last longer than an unneeded RTX 3070/3080 you get now.

[Zelenia]

On 10/23/2020 at 11:35 AM, Tanaz said:

At the moment I'd say anything above a 2070 Super is overkill for 1080p as you'll be CPU bottlenecked even with an i9 10900K overclocked to a gazillion ghz. With your current setup I wouldn't upgrade the GPU as you'll see little to no improvements with the Ryzen 5 3600. In certain cases you're even bottlenecking the 2060. Invest in case fans + good airflow and repaste your card. Don't buy tech you won't take any advantage of at your current use case and with your current hardware.

I'm curious now, how bad is the bottleneck with R5/RTX 2060? I did recently swap to a better airflow case and I haven't been able to get any better results in Superposition. 

 

 

Max temp sits at 71C with 100% fans but the GPU won't clock more than 1830Mhz. With stock (factory OC) it was doing couple second spikes to 1920Mhz but it's not able to stay anywhere close to those numbers. I don't really understand what is the deal here. I got same result with undervolting so I just keep the card undervolted to stay cooler.  

I run the CPU in "balanced power settings" during normal routines. I did try to run CPU in "performance mode" for Time Spy and such but I didn't notice significant difference.

 

So I don't know if this the CPU bottleneck or maybe just power limit from the GPU? Something else? 

 

On 10/23/2020 at 5:32 PM, Princess Luna said:

I mean if you want 1080p60fps at "MAXIMUM SETTINGS" on any game you try then having more power is never too much, stuff like RDR2 already punishes video cards hard and the latest games like Assassin's Creed Valhalla and Cyberpunk 2077 will certainly be no exception.

 

a R5 3600 is likely to keep up with the 60hz target just fine on w/e game you try.

I probably will find it out when I buy one of these more demanding games. I didn't buy RDR2 yet because I wasn't sure if I can get 60FPS with any "good looking"  settings. Below 60FPS is just unplayable in action games for me.

On 10/23/2020 at 6:31 PM, Tinitis said:

Unless it's really not performing now, I'd say stick with the 2060. In 3 years when you upgrade your monitor, you can get an RTX 5070/5080 (or whatever is out then) and it will last longer than an unneeded RTX 3070/3080 you get now.

This is the thing.  When it comes to performance, it's okay I suppose. I used to play with MSI laptop with 970M and used to get 30-40FPS in all games. And that thing was expensive. This current GPU got lots of stuff I really hate about it but I've developed some sort of love/hate relationship with it.

 

I still might upgrade GPU before CPU and monitor, though. But you guys are right, it's lot of money to spend for very little performance boost (I'd still take that 30%).  That is why I don't want to buy anything without asking opinions of other people first. I'd be happy to pay extra from silent gaming experience though (if there is GPUs with ready to use water cooling, I've seen LTT and GN doing custom water loops and that is too difficult for me, just 1yr ago I was that person who was buying prebuilds only)!

 

But ye not buying anything right now, just following the market and prices.

[Princess Luna]

5 hours ago, Zelenia said:

So I don't know if this the CPU bottleneck or maybe just power limit from the GPU? Something else? 

First thing you need to figure out is what refresh rate you want. If you want 60hz then you will not have to worry yourself with bottlenecks using a R5 3600, this processor can keep up 60fps on any game yet and it'll ever only not be enough by the time you're comfortable replacing it.

 

The thing about the highest end video cards not being recommended for 1080p any more is that you'll likely not be able to get every last fps possible from them as the CPU will limit you before it but then you're already on the hundreds of frames, therefore if you want to limit yourself to 60fps there's nothign to worry about regarding CPU.

 

Then having a RTX 3070 or specially the RTX 3080 for 1080p will allow you to max settings any game you want, throw all ultras for fun... RTX 2060 will never be bottlenecked by a R5 3600 but might also not manage ultra all in the latest games where you'd need to balance settings.