whether or not the 3090 can do 8k, is there even a point?

[oali24]

So, from the Linus tech tips and gamer's nexus reviews, the 3090 seems to be able to do triple a gaming 8k@30fps in some games especially with dlss, but whether or not its doable, is there a point, computer desktop displays are a bit too small for 4k to be noticeable already, by the time they're big enough to matter they're tv's and even then its not very noticeable compared to 4k from what I've heard, is there even a point to it anymore? Does 8k gaming even matter even if the performance of the cards were better?

[PeachGr]

To so this you need an 8k TV that doesn't exist, and even if it does, as a gamer you play on a 27-34(wide) so 4k is already hard to distinguish from 2k (in 1m distance).

Now if you play from a console, in 2meters distance, you still can't tell the difference between 4k and 8k.

I don't know why the hype, probably in the future it will have some meaning

[3 Lions]

To someone with enough money, yes there is a point.

[VLONE]

10 minutes ago, PeachGr said:

To so this you need an 8k TV that doesn't exist, and even if it does, as a gamer you play on a 27-34(wide) so 4k is already hard to distinguish from 2k (in 1m distance).

Now if you play from a console, in 2meters distance, you still can't tell the difference between 4k and 8k.

I don't know why the hype, probably in the future it will have some meaning

there are plenty of 8K TVs on the market already. still doesn't really justify buying a 3090 unless you cannot wait for the 20GB model of the 3080 and do deep learning and AI things though

[3 Lions]

Just now, VLONE said:

still doesn't really justify buying a 3090

The 3090 is aimed at a totally different audience. They buy such things because they 'want' it, not because they 'need' it. 

[VLONE]

1 minute ago, 3 Lions said:

The 3090 is aimed at a totally different audience. They buy such things because they 'want' it, not because they 'need' it. 

For the most part I agree, but I can definitely see the benefit in getting a 3090 now if you are doing substantial AI related work, as you can never have enough VRAM for that type of thing, and the performance is, on paper, much better than the 2080 Ti which was a go to for that field for most people and rental servers. Some used the Titan RTX as well of course, but that was 2x the price of the 2080 Ti and all it mostly offered was more VRAM and the more optimized drivers with certain quadro features enabled that I'm not even sure helps with most deep learning applications.

[oali24]

3 minutes ago, VLONE said:

there are plenty of 8K TVs on the market already. still doesn't really justify buying a 3090 unless you cannot wait for the 20GB model of the 3080 and do deep learning and AI things though

But even then, lots of people were saying that 8k was pointless for like movie/tv watching and actually being able to notice 8k how would gaming be different, the thing that confused me was that the linus tech tips video had linus raving over doom eternal 8k but was he imagining the difference or was it actually there, will 8k gaming ever make sense, even if it were affordable.

[3 Lions]

1 minute ago, oali24 said:

will 8k gaming ever make sense

All advancements in tech make sense, if it didn't make sense then we wouldn't be moving forward.

[VLONE]

2 minutes ago, oali24 said:

But even then, lots of people were saying that 8k was pointless for like movie/tv watching and actually being able to notice 8k how would gaming be different, the thing that confused me was that the linus tech tips video had linus raving over doom eternal 8k but was he imagining the difference or was it actually there, will 8k gaming ever make sense, even if it were affordable.

People said the same thing about 720p to 1080p, and 1080p to 4k. There are definitely much greater diminishing returns at 8k and there might not realistically be a reason to go beyond 8k for displays that are under like 100 inches (maybe more) but there is a (slightly) noticeable difference

[oali24]

17 minutes ago, 3 Lions said:

All advancements in tech make sense, if it didn't make sense then we wouldn't be moving forward.

I doubt that, there's a reason that music more or less stopped with cd quality audio, the technology for how much audio quality we can put out has definitely gotten better since the late 1980s but very few people can tell a difference between it and a so called "high quality" losslessly compressed music, it will probably happen or has even already happened for tvs.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

2 hours ago, 3 Lions said:

All advancements in tech make sense, if it didn't make sense then we wouldn't be moving forward.

Even if it didn't make sense, engineers will be engineers and will always try to push the boundaries of what is currently possible. There are so many instances of this in the auto industry. 

[LogicalDrm]

-> Moved to Graphics Cards

[BTGbullseye]

2 hours ago, oali24 said:

but very few people can tell a difference between it and a so called "high quality" losslessly compressed music

Most of that is due to using crappy hardware to listen to it. Using low quality headphones and saying "but it sounds the same" is equivalent to using a 720p60Hz monitor with Vsync on, and saying that the RX 580 is the same performance as the RTX 3090. You're not making the human the bottleneck at that point. (which is the goal of all this)

[dfsgsfa]

gimick is gimick

[BTGbullseye]

4 hours ago, dfsgsfa said:

gimick is gimick

This particular "gimmick" is not likely to remain such, just like hardware raytracing is how things are going to work for the foreseeable future instead of pure rasterization.

[xg32]

8k's probably the future/niche for now but 1440p/4k 144hz/240hz will be around for a LONG time, probably a decade~. The 8k marketing push was a mistake, feels like RTX first gen.

[Ankerson]

11 hours ago, PeachGr said:

To so this you need an 8k TV that doesn't exist, and even if it does, as a gamer you play on a 27-34(wide) so 4k is already hard to distinguish from 2k (in 1m distance).

Now if you play from a console, in 2meters distance, you still can't tell the difference between 4k and 8k.

I don't know why the hype, probably in the future it will have some meaning

 

8K TVS do exist...

 

They aren't cheap however...

[dfsgsfa]

3 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

going to work for the foreseeable future instead

like the new tech xxxx ready... when it fades out not many had a chance to use it.

eg usb 3.1, 3.2,  rtx2000 when only a few games had rtx option 

[BTGbullseye]

23 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said:

like the new tech xxxx ready... when it fades out not many had a chance to use it.

eg usb 3.1, 3.2,  rtx2000 when only a few games had rtx option 

RTX only had a few games with the first card to support it, just like rasterization did when it was first a thing... Just like hardware T&L... Just like physics... I can cherry pick the same as you, but mine actually makes sense since it's not just a minor change in speed coupled with a renaming, but a change that virtually everyone in the industry has been trying to make happen for the last 25 years.