Waiting for upgrade,RTX3070,RTX3080,or Navi 2X?

[linuxhua]

Look,I know that everyone may get blown their mind by the RTX 3000 series launches(so do I),

But,according to last generation situation (by the time when AMD released RX 5700 series and Jensen Huang takes off his jacket and quickly push the super card to everyone),so,There’s only a question...Should I wait for Lisa su as well as AMD itself take action on how to fight back to Nvidia 3000 series?(maybe your can just leave your comment at the below,I may take it,However, I will still waiting for this year that AMD and Nvidia will take their best values cards to the market,And I gotta purchase it as fast as my wallet was taken by Gabe)

[Chris Pratt]

I honestly don't think we're going to see anything from AMD that exceeds the 30-series cards from Nvidia. However, this might be the year that AMD finally catches up. It's all rumors, so apply liberal salt, but RDNA2 should actually trade blow for blow with Nvidia all the way up the product line. This current gen, AMD only really competed with up to a 2070 (super). The 2080 Ti, for sure, had no match. Now, we might actually have comparable AMD cards for each Nvidia card. The point is that I don't think you necessarily need to wait for AMD to make their move before picking up a 30-series, unless you'd just really prefer to have an AMD card. There's not going to be some AMD alternative that's going to make your Nvidia card look crappy in comparison.

[dfsgsfa]

just wait 2 more months for amd and no regrets, whats the hurry?

[Kilrah]

No 3rd party reviews of 3000 cards yet and no info about AMD, so... nobody knows.

Don't expect AMD will be able to compete, but again who knows.

[BTGbullseye]

17 minutes ago, dfsgsfa said:

just wait 2 more months for amd and no regrets, whats the hurry?

Cyberpunk 2077 releases before then. A LOT of people (including me) are upgrading specifically for that game. (other games getting better performance is just gravy)

[Gorou92]

28 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Cyberpunk 2077 releases before then. A LOT of people (including me) are upgrading specifically for that game. (other games getting better performance is just gravy)

you don't need to buy at release

you can wait until you have the gpu and by then you may be lucky and get the game discounted

[xg32]

1 hour ago, linuxhua said:

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the rdna2 cards are looking really delayed, especially custom models, amd's not gonna beat nvidia this gen but if you wanna make the decision with perfect information, you'll have to wait. 

 

Personally i'm getting an ampere card with a custom pcb, so amd's benchmarks might be out by then anyway.

[BTGbullseye]

3 hours ago, YsGrandi said:

you don't need to buy at release

You do if you want to do a decent overclock with stress test and get everything set up before it launches. Especially if it ends up taking them a while to restock after the launch cards sell out. (like usually happens)

[Kilrah]

He meant the game of course, you're not gonna die if you play it 3 months after it comes out.

 

It's your choice what's more important between knowing what happens with cards and playing day 1...

[Fatih19]

I'll wait for Navi 2X just so I can have all the information, but I honestly don't think AMD is going to beat Nvidia's lineup.

[Gorou92]

2 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

You do if you want to do a decent overclock with stress test and get everything set up before it launches. Especially if it ends up taking them a while to restock after the launch cards sell out. (like usually happens)

I meant not before the game release

the restock will probably be in November or December so you can buy it in Christmas and by then you'll have the game discounted and a choice between amd and nvidia

[BTGbullseye]

2 hours ago, Kilrah said:

He meant the game of course, you're not gonna die if you play it 3 months after it comes out.

 

It's your choice what's more important between knowing what happens with cards and playing day 1...

Why should I wait 3 months to play a game I own, and have been looking forward to for almost 2 years? Just because it doesn't appeal to you to experience the game exclusively at max settings, doesn't mean it doesn't appeal to anyone.

55 minutes ago, YsGrandi said:

I meant not before the game release

And the game release is entirely the point. People already own the game, and are upgrading ASAP so they can play at max quality AT LAUNCH, not 3 months after launch.

[Gorou92]

4 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Why should I wait 3 months to play a game I own, and have been looking forward to for almost 2 years? Just because it doesn't appeal to you to experience the game exclusively at max settings, doesn't mean it doesn't appeal to anyone.

And the game release is entirely the point. People already own the game, and are upgrading ASAP so they can play at max quality AT LAUNCH, not 3 months after launch.

in that case I can't argue with you since Its common sense you shouldn't preorder games before reviews

and I already waited more than one year for the game to release so what is one more month ? cyberpunk is releasing 20th of november so what you're gonna lose for waiting one more months and you can get discounted

[BTGbullseye]

11 minutes ago, YsGrandi said:

and you can get discounted

I have never seen either a game or GPU discounted that soon after release. (especially if the GPU sells out like the 2000 series did, and can't be found ANYWHERE for 3-6 months)

[Zberg]

One of the biggest reasons to wait for the upgrade is the price battling the two brands may do.  I can tell you a lot of people's RTX 2070 wasn't looking so hot after the price battles happened and a 5700XT was a much better option in terms of price/performance and the 2070S was selling for the same price they got their cards for with a nice performance bump; all of which happened due to the price war around the 5700/XT launch and Nvidias SUPER (lol) response.

 

I would hands down go for a 3080 if that's in your price range as I dont think AMD is going to have as good an answer, but if you wait you will have the information and also potentially a price discount.

[Gorou92]

20 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

I have never seen either a game or GPU discounted that soon after release. (especially if the GPU sells out like the 2000 series did, and can't be found ANYWHERE for 3-6 months)

again I meant the game

and yes instead of buying at launch price of 60usd you can get it on winter sale for 10 or 20% percent less

and its just one game you'll play in X hours and then you'll have a gpu that is a 2 year minimum investment that why having an Informed choice is important

 

[NonanonymousCarl]

My question here is, has anyone seen if the 20 gig version of the 3080 will be available for purchase at launch? Not opposed to the 3090 but at double the price for not double the cores the 3080 20 gig seems right for me. (3D professional can use the VRAM for shots 8 is starting to not cover it.)

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, YsGrandi said:

and its just one game you'll play in X hours

Kinda like Skyrim that I've put over 2000 hours into? Maybe Fallout 4, which I'm up to about 5000 hours right now? What about Star Trek Online where I have upwards of 8000? It's not an always-the-same-gameplay type of game.

1 hour ago, YsGrandi said:

and then you'll have a gpu that is a 2 year minimum investment

So, a much shorter time than "I own the game literally forever"...

 

1 hour ago, NonanonymousCarl said:

My question here is, has anyone seen if the 20 gig version of the 3080 will be available for purchase at launch?

What 20GB version? Nvidia hasn't said anything about higher VRAM capacity versions, nor hinted at them.

[Calranthe]

2 hours ago, YsGrandi said:

in that case I can't argue with you since Its common sense you shouldn't preorder games before reviews

and I already waited more than one year for the game to release so what is one more month ? cyberpunk is releasing 20th of november so what you're gonna lose for waiting one more months and you can get discounted

CD Projekt red is one of the few companies I pre-order from they have never let me down and every game they have released I have enjoyed, I am looking forward to spending months if not years playing Cyberpunk 2077 just like I did The Witcher 1-3.

 

I know how much work goes into a title like this happy to pay full price and see my money go to a company I believe in. Especially with so many other companies going down the monetize customers to the wall or oh lets just put out a low effort sequel.

 

As a gamer who cares about the future of games I will damn well pre-order all CD Projekt Red games until such time as they give me cause not to because I want them to be around for a long time, especially when they buck the trend and give us dlc for free and paid for expansions that are almost the size of the actual game. free remastered versions of the Witcher 3 game when it is released if you already own it, I would be crazy not to support them to the best  I could.

 

Anyone who doesn't support a company that hasn't gone down the EA/Activision/Warner Bros route is kinda crazy.

[BTGbullseye]

2 minutes ago, Calranthe said:

CD Projekt red is one of the few companies I pre-order from they have never let me down and every game they have released I have enjoyed, I am looking forward to spending months if not years playing Cyberpunk 2077 just like I did The Witcher 1-3.

Agreed, though I never did get the feel for The Witcher. Just not my gameplay style. (I hate melee combat in general in shooter style games)

[Calranthe]

 

 

2 hours ago, YsGrandi said:

again I meant the game

and yes instead of buying at launch price of 60usd you can get it on winter sale for 10 or 20% percent less

and its just one game you'll play in X hours and then you'll have a gpu that is a 2 year minimum investment that why having an Informed choice is important

 

 

I have probably 100 games on my most played list with over 500 hours in each, and I am happy to say I supported those companies at full price because I wanted to see more games like that, it is all very good being a savvy person with money but if that company shuts down because you were too cheap to support it at full price then don't come complaining.

 

A lot of investment and future plans in business have to be based on that crucial first week/month sales it can become the difference between reinvesting in the game or laying off people.

 

Let us be real here.

Anyone who pre-orders activision, bethesda (hate to say it), EA games deserves to get burnt they have proved time and time again that we don't matter, if you pre-order from those companies you are saying "hey I like being lied to and treated like a £ tree".

 

But as a gamer as in someone who loves games and is invested in the future of the gaming industry I can decide where to put my money and who to support.

 

Maybe I have a different view of things, Games are extremely important to me, in fact Games are one of my prime reasons for still being alive today.

[linuxhua]

12 hours ago, xg32 said:

the rdna2 cards are looking really delayed, especially custom models, amd's not gonna beat nvidia this gen but if you wanna make the decision with perfect information, you'll have to wait. 

 

Personally i'm getting an ampere card with a custom pcb, so amd's benchmarks might be out by then anyway.

I am not actually a fan of custom PCB …reference is my favorite,The reason is I would take a try on GPU water cooling for an overall low temperature,which is good for both GPU die and memory

[code99]

To what OP asked, i have the following to say.

 

If there are no reasons to rush and get a new gpu then wait (if you've been fine with your current gpu until now then wait, dont rush). Wait for AMD to release RDNA2 because they will be able to compete up to 3080 imo (compete, not beat). Even if you do not want an AMD card, be sure that Nvidia will either lower prices (i doubt it) or release new models to compete with what AMD is going to release (supers, ti's and the like).

 

Personally, i will be getting the 3080 at launch and there are a few reasons for it.

 

1. Its a beast of a card and even if somehow amd manages to beat the 3080, the 3080 will still be a beast of a card that will be able to run anything you can think of for the next few years.

 

2. I have a Gsync monitor and i know that it probably runs on amd freesync as well but i'd rather play it safe and use an nvidia card.

 

3. I am sick and tired of AMD's stupid drivers. Im sorry but i think that Nvidia is so much more ahead in drivers than amd is. Their ui is a fkn maze, you need gps to navigate it and dont get me started on stability issues. My last 3 cards were 2 amds back to back and then an nvidia 2080 (which i sold a month ago) and both amd were a disaster when it comes to drivers while nvidia worked perfectly fine.

 

4. I am an impatient guy and cant wait to play cyberpunk 2077 (yes, i pre-ordered and i fully agree with what you said about support cdpr) at max settings. Im building a new pc just for that game.

 

 

I will no doubt cry a bit inside when nvidia, inevitably, will release a better 3080 for the same price or slightly higher but oh well, this happens a lot in the tech world , there is always something better around the corner ... 

 

Sorry for the wall of text

[BTGbullseye]

44 minutes ago, code99 said:

3. I am sick and tired of AMD's stupid drivers. Im sorry but i think that Nvidia is so much more ahead in drivers than amd is. Their ui is a fkn maze, you need gps to navigate it and dont get me started on stability issues. My last 3 cards were 2 amds back to back and then an nvidia 2080 (which i sold a month ago) and both amd were a disaster when it comes to drivers while nvidia worked perfectly fine.

AMD was sick of the poor drivers too. They fixed them over 6 months back, and they are now quite stable. The new driver control UI is quite navigable, if you're willing to learn something that's different from Nvidia.

45 minutes ago, code99 said:

4. I am an impatient guy and cant wait to play cyberpunk 2077 (yes, i pre-ordered and i fully agree with what you said about support cdpr) at max settings. Im building a new pc just for that game.

Another one. :)

[code99]

1 minute ago, BTGbullseye said:

AMD was sick of the poor drivers too. They fixed them over 6 months back, and they are now quite stable. The new driver control UI is quite navigable, if you're willing to learn something that's different from Nvidia.

I remember when ATi was still around and holly mother of god those drivers ... Since AMD took over, their drivers have improved a lot but still not to a point where i can safely say they are as good as nvidia's.

Sure, they are much better now dont get me wrong but i still have issues with them from time to time.

 

Maybe its not the same for everyone but ive not had good experiences with amd when it comes to drivers. I admit, havent had issues with them in the past couple of months but still ..

1 minute ago, BTGbullseye said:

Another one. :)

Guilty as charged

 

But dude, have you seen that game? Holy cow. I've never been so excited and hyped for ANYTHING in my life .. 

Gaming is very important to me if you havent noticed