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I put both on my moms computer. Im all of supporting providers and such, but the free download pages that say "download" in 4 different ads, she cant tell them apart. installing spamware on a computer is no way to earn business. That and for certain websites that post pretty much flat out porn for ads, that's not cool. 

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How about neither? Support content creators, surely those ads don't take up too much or your time or are too annoying. If you don't want the ads, just don't use the site.

Personnaly I find adds incredibly annoying. And there are some content creators I don't want to support.

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I use adblock and ablock plus just to be sure :P but i have aloud LTT in both of them

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I take issue with any user on this site that asserts, "if you use some type of ad block utility, then you are a lesser person".  It's arrogant, hypocritical, and flat out inaccurate. 

No one on the internet has the obligation to view content they deem "irrelevant" to them in order to get to the content they would like to view/consume.  Exercising that choice makes them no less "good" than any other user.

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Plus, of course.

Signatures are stupid.

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In this thread, ABP shows 10 blocked ads. In this thread alone. Linus is getting greedy. Youtube ads, preroll ads, and sometimes ads right in the middle of a video. It's getting too much.

 

And well, by the looks of it, I am having both =P

I disabled adblock for LTT and I only see 1 ad on this thread. The reason why it's blocking 10 is perhaps 10 different ads on the same spot. But if we're counting the number of ad spots on this thread, there is only one; at the bottom.

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Well, you can either have ads or no site at all.

 

Have you paid for every single movie, TV show, game and piece of music you've consumed? You've never skipped an Ad on youtube? You've never closed a pop-up before reading it?

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never saw the point in adblock. its just ads for corsair stuff and best buy so who cares.......

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Have you paid for every single movie, TV show, game and piece of music you've consumed?

That isn't an apt analogy, but I think we both agree that blocking ads isn't intrinsically bad.

 

I'm just going to say it.  Pop up advertisements and banners are just lazy advertisement.  It's not my responsibility to perpetuate that usage model by "allowing" ads when I have the option not to.  Appealing to my idea of "viewer loyalty" does nothing but conflate the issue.  If you are a for-profit business it is your job to compel me to consume your content.... period.  Being picky about the avenue that I take to do that is ridiculous.  If advertisement revenue via clicks/pop ups/etc isn't getting you there, then a different model is required.

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That isn't an apt analogy, but I think we both agree that blocking ads isn't intrinsically bad.

 

I think it is if your stance is based soley on, 'supporting the content creators', like Delons is.

 

[ No ads = no website ] is equivalent to [ Didn't buy on itunes/Netflix/DVD etc. = no media ] in my book.

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I think it is if your stance is based soley on, 'supporting the content creators', like Delons is.

 

[ No ads = no website ] is equivalent to [ Didn't buy on itunes/Netflix/DVD etc. = no media ] in my book.

 

This particular site would exist without ads because I would just keep paying for it (in spite of the fact that's gotten much more expensive over time as its grown) but your understanding is flawed. Websites ARE NOT FREE TO MAINTAIN and are almost entirely ad-supported if they aren't selling you something or driving revenue some other way.

 

*This* site could survive without the ad revenue because we can put ads on something else instead, but the bigger picture is this: Linus Media Group survives on ads. We get some contributions from the community and sell a few T-shirts, but without ads we would go out of business almost instantly.

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How about neither? Support content creators, surely those ads don't take up too much or your time or are too annoying. If you don't want the ads, just don't use the site.

Nothing wrong with adblock, the problem lies with the retards that block absolutely everything they use.

c052511671437ab9dfda9bb678bba5dd.pngLook at that - ghostery and AB+ are disabled for this site (youtube/twitch/facebook too) but I still block sites that have those fake/spoof 'download button' ads, because I find them annoying and a cheap cop-out for websites to allow that kind of advertising.

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This particular site would exist without ads because I would just keep paying for it (in spite of the fact that's gotten much more expensive over time as its grown) but your understanding is flawed. Websites ARE NOT FREE TO MAINTAIN and are almost entirely ad-supported if they aren't selling you something or driving revenue some other way.

 

*This* site could survive without the ad revenue because we can put ads on something else instead, but the bigger picture is this: Linus Media Group survives on ads. We get some contributions from the community and sell a few T-shirts, but without ads we would go out of business almost instantly.

 

Sorry Linus, you took my comment in completely the wrong context. I meant the Delons stance was [ No ads = no website ], so it's only fair to assume he should feel the same thing when it comes to other forms of media.

 

Of course a website can survive on a corinthian basis, I'm just referring to someone's stance on something. It is by no means a general rule for anything. I hope what I said makes a little more sense now.

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*This* site could survive without the ad revenue because we can put ads on something else instead, but the bigger picture is this: Linus Media Group survives on ads. We get some contributions from the community and sell a few T-shirts, but without ads we would go out of business almost instantly.

 

I agree.  However, the implementation of ads on the internet is something that needs reform.  Your live advertisements on the WAN show, for example, are similar to television and live radio ads.  These forms of advertisements are empirically effective and are accepted by the consumer.  Effective in the sense that when you talk about squarespace or hot spot shield in your own voice it has more impact than a banner or pop up. It is accepted in the sense that the consumer doesn't feel that it is incongruous with the experience that they want to have when they tune it.

 

Blocking ads is something that is applied to a browsing experience, not just a particular website.  Users don't know what kind of ads a particular site they are linked to will have.  Additionally, users don't know that ad implementation on a site is going to be consistent on a day to day basis.  It is too much to expect. people to "whitelist" out of the goodness of their heart.  Ads use unknown resources that are already paid for (in most cases) by the user.

 

Think about a browser like LYNX (anyone here remember that?).  By virtue of it's text based nature, all images are eliminated.  One can not say then that users shouldn't use that browser because it is damaging to certain website's revenue.  I don't like the line of discussion that suggests that blocking ads is in any way similar to piracy.

 

I could go on for a while and make little sense, but the TLDR version would be:  I'm not against ads.  I just believe they need to be implemented in a way that the consumer accepts.  Thus the onus is on the marketing department of a company to solve that problem.  That is why they get paid after all.  It is also why some ads cost more money than others to implement.  Some of them are of higher quality than others.

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Adblock plus works great for me. Though I do suggest turning it off for sites you want to support (unless the advertising is beyond ridiculous and shitty).

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I couldn't imagine browsing the net without Ghostery + Adblock Edge.

 

I'll happily donate or pay subscription fees for something I feel has value, but I will not view ads while browsing.

 

Either way, enough people don't seem to mind viewing them, to make my choice somewhat inconsequential. I'm happy to take the hit and be classed as selfish on this one.

 

If a site I frequent isn't making enough money to pay server costs, then I'd expect them to issue a plea for assistance, and I'd be happy to help.

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Why don't people want to support content creators? You do realize that like @LinusTech said, without ads, businesses would go out of business instantly. LMG for example spends 10 hours easily per video. Whether that be research, shooting, editing, scripting, uploading etc. You can't watch a 5-30 second advertisement for the 10 hours of work they did? Pathetic. 

 

I used to use Adblockers, this was before I didn't know content creators didn't get paid because of me. Because of all of YOU who think that Adblocking is ok. I don't care if they are "annoying" or "obnoxious". Deal with it. Don't like it? Well, good thing for you it's quite easy to leave

 

I am proud to say that I don't use Adblock anymore, and I am happy to watch ads no-matter how repetitive they may be. I would hate being a content creator knowing that people are stealing money from my essentially. I am doing all the work, and my employer isn't paying me 100% of what I should be earning. 

 

Do you know how much of Linus's revenue he never sees because of Adblock users? Easily 15-30%. If not more!

 

That is a lot of money. Especially with how big LMG has gotten with their different channels and sorts. 

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I am proud to say that I don't use Adblock anymore, and I am happy to watch ads no-matter how repetitive they may be. I would hate being a content creator knowing that people are stealing money from my essentially. I am doing all the work, and my employer isn't paying me 100% of what I should be earning. 

 

I respect your decision to support the websites that you like.  But I take issue with the notion that people who use Ad block are stealing.

 

I will take a more affirmative stance on this.  I think that Linus Media Group and other similar sites are getting exploited via "free advertising" for companies. 

I will explain this as concisely as I can.  An ad on my browser has some arbitrary value for advertisers.  Let's say $0.01.  Let's say every time you load a page with a FRACTAL DESIGN banner on it, Linus Tech Tips get's $0.01.

 

SOME OF YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS...

 

Me as a user on this site is ENOUGH.  Companies receive dirt cheap advertising from sites such as this one.  I understand that the way the system works that Linus Media Group doesn't get "credit" from it, but maybe they damn well should.  If someone posts in the case and power supply forums, "suggest a silent case to me", how many people are going to say "Define R4?".  That to me, is worth more than any banner or jpg.  How many users have their PC specs posted in their signature?  That's a lot of free plugs for Intel and NVIDA.  Does the site get credit for that?  Any paradigm used to justify Ads that can be blocked by Ad block as a necessity can be utterly shattered.  They are the equivalent of showering leaflets in a car parking garage. 

 

And you accuse users of STEALING???

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I respect your decision to support the websites that you like.  But I take issue with the notion that people who use Ad block are stealing.

 

I will take a more affirmative stance on this.  I think that Linus Media Group and other similar sites are getting exploited via "free advertising" for companies. 

I will explain this as concisely as I can.  An ad on my browser has some arbitrary value for advertisers.  Let's say $0.01.  Let's say every time you load a page with a FRACTAL DESIGN banner on it, Linus Tech Tips get's $0.01.

 

SOME OF YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS...

 

Me as a user on this site is ENOUGH.  Companies receive dirt cheap advertising from sites such as this one.  I understand that the way the system works that Linus Media Group doesn't get "credit" from it, but maybe they damn well should.  If someone posts in the case and power supply forums, "suggest a silent case to me", how many people are going to say "Define R4?".  That to me, is worth more than any banner or jpg.  How many users have their PC specs posted in their signature?  That's a lot of free plugs for Intel and NVIDA.  Does the site get credit for that?  Any paradigm used to justify Ads that can be blocked by Ad block as a necessity can be utterly shattered.  They are the equivalent of showering leaflets in a car parking garage. 

 

And you accuse users of STEALING???

Yes. I AM accusing you of stealing

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I used to use Adblockers, this was before I didn't know content creators didn't get paid because of me. Because of all of YOU who think that Adblocking is ok. I don't care if they are "annoying" or "obnoxious". Deal with it. Don't like it? Well, good thing for you it's quite easy to leave

 

That's a bit simplistic. Linus Tech Tips while producing great videos, could also be considered as an advertising outlet on YouTube. By reviewing products or unboxing them, he's essentially advertising them, and companies are fully aware of this. He's classed as a 'community influencer' companies want their products to be featured on his channels, because they know it will get exposure to the right kind of customer. The larger his audience, the more subscribers and views per video he has, the more potential there is to make money.

 

The absolute last thing Linus would want is for all the people using ad-block to unsubscribe and leave. His audience is his biggest asset and even if they are not viewing AdSense style advertising, they still add value and increase his potential income.

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That's a bit simplistic. Linus Tech Tips while producing great videos, could also be considered as an advertising outlet on YouTube. By reviewing products or unboxing them, he's essentially advertising them, and companies are fully aware of this. He's classed as a 'community influencer' companies want their products to be featured on his channels, because they know it will get exposure to the right kind of customer. The larger his audience, the more subscribers and views per video he has, the more potential there is to make money.

 

The absolute last thing Linus would want is for all the people using ad-block to unsubscribe and leave. His audience is his biggest asset and even if they are not viewing AdSense style advertising, they still add value and increase his potential income.

Still gooby please. Don't use Adblock

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This particular site would exist without ads because I would just keep paying for it (in spite of the fact that's gotten much more expensive over time as its grown) but your understanding is flawed. Websites ARE NOT FREE TO MAINTAIN and are almost entirely ad-supported if they aren't selling you something or driving revenue some other way.

 

*This* site could survive without the ad revenue because we can put ads on something else instead, but the bigger picture is this: Linus Media Group survives on ads. We get some contributions from the community and sell a few T-shirts, but without ads we would go out of business almost instantly.

 

How much revenue comes in annually from ads?

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Yes. I AM accusing you of stealing

 

Who am I stealing from?  What am I stealing?  What do I have in my possession now that I have stolen it?

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Who am I stealing from?  What am I stealing?  What do I have in my possession now that I have stolen it?

You are essentially stealing Linus's money. In my opinion at least 

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Still gooby please. Don't use Adblock

 

Unfortunately you seem unable to enter a mature discussion or comprehend rational thought. Which is probably why you think that AdSense is the only source of income available. Perhaps you missed the most recent WAN show, and didn't hear the guest talking about his Tech Show and how it's fully funded by community donations? Perhaps alternative business models simply don't compute for you? Perhaps you feel that unless google is taking a cut, there's really no point in making money?

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