Is this a good buy

[Pinkeypierules]

Heyo folks I'm a long time console gamer and i want to try pc so is this a good deal for the price

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-9700f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-super-1tb-hdd-480gb-ssd-black/6400462.p?skuId=6400462

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[Pinkeypierules]

damn sorry wrong photo

[gloop]

Nope. 
 

Dead platform, shit motherboard, shit psu, shit ram. 
 

Sorry to be so harsh but you’ll get what you pay for. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by gloop

[Eighjan]

5 minutes ago, Pinkeypierules said:

damn sorry wrong photo

One thing's for certain... it's very 'blinged up'.

[Eighjan]

3 minutes ago, gloop said:

Nope. 
 

Dead platform, shit motherboard, shit psu, shit ram. 
 

Sorry to be so harsh but you’ll get what you pay for. 

I've seen worse systems for 'a thousand first-world currency' - just look at some of the eBay 'gaming machines' with 2nd/3rd Gen Intel CPU's...

[gloop]

Just now, Eighjan said:

I've seen worse systems for 'a thousand first-world currency' - just look at some of the eBay 'gaming machines' with 2nd/3rd Gen Intel CPU's...

Yeah, those always piss me off. Costs $300 to build, add some RGB and then market it as a ‘fOrTNitE’ gaming pc. 

[Mateyyy]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$171.89 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$75.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Silicon Power A80 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$129.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB Red Dragon Video Card	$299.99 @ Amazon
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$92.14 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1008.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-14 19:22 EDT-0400

Considering you can get something like this for $1000, nah.

That and most other prebuilts are bad for the same reasons that @gloop mentioned - cheaping out on the motherboard, memory and PSU is the easiest way to save money, especially since they're not as noticeable to an unexperienced end user, at least at first.

[thedangerine]

I know building a pc may seem like more work than some of us want to do or spooky because what if you break it, I would strongly encourage going for a build tho. With all the guides out there it is easier than ever and worth the peace of mind knowing that the parts you got are all of good quality and have good brands/warranties to back them up. I came up with this parts list and anything could really be changed to better suit whatever your specific needs are, part of the beauty of building it yourself is you decide what you need rather than the system integrator. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$171.89 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$66.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$59.00 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB KO ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$319.99 @ Walmart
Case	NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$85.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1017.82
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-14 19:27 EDT-0400

 

If you have any specific questions about why I chose specific parts I would be happy to answer any, or if there are specific things you will use it for other than gaming I could adjust something to account for that. The system you posted isn't bad for $1000 dollars but with most pre-builts you get a mystery motherboard and ram that can sometimes be ok and other times be kinda trash. Same goes for the power supply which I really don't like as they can limit your potential to upgrade in the future and psu is usually something you can keep for multiple builds. Building yourself just ensures you know exactly what you are getting where with prebuilts you really only know the amount of ram and storage but not the brand or speeds, and then whatever cheap locked cpu is cheapest that checks a box that says i7 or i5 because that is all people look at. You can also get a much better graphics card at this price point which would improve your gaming experience the most out of anything. 

 

TL;DR

Building yourself is pretty easy with modern hardware and guides, can be a lot of fun, gives you the power to choose your parts for your needs, flexibility, and assures you get quality components from well known trusted brands with good warranties. Let me know if you have any questions on why I chose certain parts and I will gladly respond, Have a safe and great day

[Pinkeypierules]

ok will keep that in mind but whats  a good site to buy a prebulit from im a kinda lazy not gonna lie 

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, Pinkeypierules said:

ok will keep that in mind but whats  a good site to buy a prebulit from im a kinda lazy not gonna lie 

none they all suck or charge way to much.

its not hard to build one

[Dravinian]

37 minutes ago, thedangerine said:

I know building a pc may seem like more work than some of us want to do or spooky because what if you break it, I would strongly encourage going for a build tho. With all the guides out there it is easier than ever and worth the peace of mind knowing that the parts you got are all of good quality and have good brands/warranties to back them up. I came up with this parts list and anything could really be changed to better suit whatever your specific needs are, part of the beauty of building it yourself is you decide what you need rather than the system integrator. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$171.89 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$66.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$59.00 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB KO ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$319.99 @ Walmart
Case	NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA BQ 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$85.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1017.82
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-14 19:27 EDT-0400

 

If you have any specific questions about why I chose specific parts I would be happy to answer any, or if there are specific things you will use it for other than gaming I could adjust something to account for that. The system you posted isn't bad for $1000 dollars but with most pre-builts you get a mystery motherboard and ram that can sometimes be ok and other times be kinda trash. Same goes for the power supply which I really don't like as they can limit your potential to upgrade in the future and psu is usually something you can keep for multiple builds. Building yourself just ensures you know exactly what you are getting where with prebuilts you really only know the amount of ram and storage but not the brand or speeds, and then whatever cheap locked cpu is cheapest that checks a box that says i7 or i5 because that is all people look at. You can also get a much better graphics card at this price point which would improve your gaming experience the most out of anything. 

 

TL;DR

Building yourself is pretty easy with modern hardware and guides, can be a lot of fun, gives you the power to choose your parts for your needs, flexibility, and assures you get quality components from well known trusted brands with good warranties. Let me know if you have any questions on why I chose certain parts and I will gladly respond, Have a safe and great day

If you don't want to build this, you can just go to a builder website and configure it with these parts.

 

You will pay about $200 - $300 more for the PC

 

For example, I went to Cyber PC and this exact build was $1,387 (different case - but meh)

 

That was with exactly the same components, except the RAM, you can pick 3200mhz, but you can't say it will be CAS 16.  You won't notice the difference between CL18 and CL16 so I wouldn't worry about that.

However, I would shop around.

[dizmo]

It takes literally 45 minutes to build a PC.

There's maybe at most 10 pieces.

[Dravinian]

1 minute ago, Dravinian said:

If you don't want to build this, you can just go to a builder website and configure it with these parts.

 

You will pay about $200 - $300 more for the PC

 

For example, I went to Cyber PC and this exact build was $1,387 (different case - but meh)

 

That was with exactly the same components, except the RAM, you can pick 3200mhz, but you can't say it will be CAS 16.  You won't notice the difference between CL18 and CL16 so I wouldn't worry about that.

However, I would shop around.

The thing to look out for is the 'crap' they try and sell you, don't be tempted, just stick the parts you have been told are good (not necessarily these ones, go ask about it in the Building and Planning part of teh forum you will get more feedback.  READ THE STICKY POST!!!

 

Operating System: None - FORMAT HARD DRIVE ONLY

Gaming Chassis: CyberPowerPC ONYXIA Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Front & Side Tempered Glass (Black Color)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6GHz [4.2GHz Turbo] 6 Cores/ 12 Threads 35MB Cache 65W Processor

CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: AMD Ryzen Premium Wraith CPU Cooler for Socket AM4

Motherboard: ASUS TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (Wi-Fi) ATX w/ RGB, Realtek LAN, 2 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 8 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe

RAM / System Memory: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4/3200MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance LPX)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER™ BLACK GAMING 8G GDDR6 (Turing) [VR Ready] (Single Card)

Power Supply: 600 Watts - EVGA 600Watts 80 Plus Gold high-efficient Power Supply

Primary Hard Drive: 480GB WD Green SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD (Single Drive)

Secondary Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 256MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)

 

Is the build in detail.

[Dravinian]

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It takes literally 45 minutes to build a PC.

There's maybe at most 10 pieces.

That is not really the only issue though.

 

What if something breaks - worse, what if you break something putting it together?

 

Don't act like that is impossible, Jayztwocentz put up a video today, admittedly he was just repairing his daughter's laptop, but he broke the case...How many times has Linus dropped stuff?  Didn't Linus drop a $10,000 CPU once?

 

I have said before, buying a machine built by a company off the shelf?

 

Worst idea in the world, you might as well go into your garden and just burn your money.

Having a company build a machine you configured?

The more you spend, the more this makes sense.

Building yourself?

Sure, if it is low value, not important if something breaks.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, Dravinian said:

Sure, if it is low value, not important if something breaks.

I've worked on 20 systems and have only broken ram by getting it wet.

just build it

[Dravinian]

3 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

I've worked on 20 systems and have only broken ram by getting it wet.

just build it

Yeah, and not like you gained any experience or knowledge working on the 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd etc. etc. etc.

The only system that is of relevance, is the first, and your not breaking the first system you built, is a sample size of one.

 

And for every anecdote of people saying "I built my first system just fine" there are posts on this forum alone saying "My pc won't work, help me" let alone any other forum on the internet.

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

That is not really the only issue though.

 

What if something breaks - worse, what if you break something putting it together?

 

Don't act like that is impossible, Jayztwocentz put up a video today, admittedly he was just repairing his daughter's laptop, but he broke the case...How many times has Linus dropped stuff?  Didn't Linus drop a $10,000 CPU once?

 

I have said before, buying a machine built by a company off the shelf?

 

Worst idea in the world, you might as well go into your garden and just burn your money.

Having a company build a machine you configured?

The more you spend, the more this makes sense.

Building yourself?

Sure, if it is low value, not important if something breaks.

Building a computer is not difficult. LEGO sets are more complicated, and they're built by children.

My ex, who had no interest in computers, figured it out most of it with little trouble.

The issues you raise are easily fixed by being careful.

 

Actually, the more you spend, the less it makes sense. You get better warranties on the parts outside of the third party company.

[GDRRiley]

3 minutes ago, Dravinian said:

Yeah, and not like you gained any experience or knowledge working on the 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd etc. etc. etc

I've also been there as 6 other people built their first systems and with very little guidance with me basically acting like watching a video they all did fine.

[Dravinian]

Just now, dizmo said:

Building a computer is not difficult. LEGO sets are more complicated, and they're built by children.

My ex, who had no interest in computers, figured it out most of it with little trouble.

The issues you raise are easily fixed by being careful.

 

Actually, the more you spend, the less it makes sense. You get better warranties on the parts outside of the third party company.

What you find difficult and what other people find difficult are two very different things.

 

I can play classical music on the guitar, it's easy.

 

Won't be easy for everyone.  What your background is, what you have experience of, will all go to how 'easy' something is, and how easy you will find it.

I hate tech forums for this snobbery.

 

He has already said he doesn't want to build it, why don't you try and help him without foisting your world view on him.

[Dravinian]

Just now, GDRRiley said:

I've also been there as 6 other people built their first systems and with very little guidance with me basically acting like watching a video they all did fine.

Why would they ask you to do that, why would you agree to do it, if it came with no risk.

[Dravinian]

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Actually, the more you spend, the less it makes sense. You get better warranties on the parts outside of the third party company.

Whether the warranties are better isn't the point, these machines will come as a whole with years of warranties.  That Cyber Power PC comes with 3 years.

 

The 'build' cost is a constant.  It costs between $200-$300 for a company to build your PC.

Doesn't matter if the overall cost is $1,000 or $6,000.  And when you are spending $6,000 the $250 build cost is 4% of the cost.

When you spend $1,000 is 25% of the cost.

So spending more actually reduces the percentage cost of the build in comparison to the amount you are spending.

[Pinkeypierules]

Ok im gonna build but i need to find a case that fits  my mother board

MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

[RawTImeRazo]

2 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$171.89 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard	$139.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory	$75.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Silicon Power A80 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$129.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	PowerColor Radeon RX 5600 XT 6 GB Red Dragon Video Card	$299.99 @ Amazon
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$92.14 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1008.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-14 19:22 EDT-0400

Considering you can get something like this for $1000, nah.

That and most other prebuilts are bad for the same reasons that @gloop mentioned - cheaping out on the motherboard, memory and PSU is the easiest way to save money, especially since they're not as noticeable to an unexperienced end user, at least at first.

not enough rgb bro

[GDRRiley]

1 hour ago, Dravinian said:

Why would they ask you to do that, why would you agree to do it, if it came with no risk.

well because all preferred me there over watching a video and following along.

[Pinkeypierules]

valid question do i just get windows 10 home for free from microsoft 

or pay full price