Tweaking guide for Asus X570-P and Ryzen 3700X?

[davidrf]

Hi, I wonder if someone could help me tweak the bios settings for this hardware:

 

- Asus X570-P
- Ryzen 3700X 

- G.Skill Aegis 2x16GB PC 3200 F4-3200C16D-32GIS 

 

So far I touched nothing in the bios, because I have very few clues. Thanks a lot!

[minibois]

1 minute ago, davidrf said:

Hi, I wonder if someone could help me tweak the bios settings for this hardware:

 

- Asus X570-P
- Ryzen 3700X 

- G.Skill Aegis 2x16GB PC 3200 F4-3200C16D-32GIS 

 

So far I touched nothing in the bios, because I have very few clues. Thanks a lot!

Turn on DOCP to make the memory run at the 3200Mhz speed.

I wouldn't personally bother with overclocking the CPU further, but you could decide to turn on PBO (if it isn't on at default), which will make the CPU run faster right away.

[davidrf]

Just now, minibois said:

Turn on DOCP to make the memory run at the 3200Mhz speed.

I wouldn't personally bother with overclocking the CPU further, but you could decide to turn on PBO (if it isn't on at default), which will make the CPU run faster right away.

The DOCP was a doubt I had because as soon as I tried to turn it on a discouraging message popped up, so I turned it back off instantly. Thanks. 

At this time I don't want any overclock, I just want to be sure everything is running properly and nothing is acting as a bottleneck! 

[minibois]

Just now, davidrf said:

The DOCP was a doubt I had because as soon as I tried to turn it on a discouraging message popped up, so I turned it back off instantly. Thanks. 

At this time I don't want any overclock, I just want to be sure everything is running properly and nothing is acting as a bottleneck! 

That message is basically saying "You're running outside of the bounds the manufacturer has set.. etc. etc." but I have never heard of any case of someone breaking RAM because of DOCP (or the Intel/AMD quivalents XMP or A-XMP).

It's more of a legal message.

 

I personally probably wouldn't turn on PBO, because the performance difference will be minimal in most workloads.

Other than DOCP and boot order, there is not much to do in the BIOS

[DailyProcrastinator]

I personally recommend manually setting RAM to 3200MHz (or whatever your RAM's rated speed is) and setting voltage to 1.3500V, and watch your CPU voltage, Asus motherboards love to set high voltages at stock.

 

For safe operation I highly recommend the following:

-          Leaving Asus’s EZ-Tuning Utility to ‘Normal’

-          Then in Extreme Tweaker settings leave all CPU settings to Auto.

-          Set RAM to its rated speed. (IE set a 3200MHz kit to 3200MHz)

Voltages:

-          CPU Core Voltage – Manaul Mode – 1.2500V

-          CPU SOC Voltage – Manual Mode – VDDSOC 1.1000V

-          DRAM Voltage – 1.3500V

-          1.8V PLL Voltage – 1.8000V

-          1.05V SB Voltage – 1.0500V

 

In my case some of these voltages were all set very high at stock, not sure why Asus does so. For safe stock operations this is recommended. 3rd gen Ryzen performs best under cool temps, so lowering the voltage to 1.2500V is safe and best for long term use.

 

I actually have improved system stability and overall performance while lowering temps with my R7 3800x following this method.

 

The best performance squeeze is your RAM, I set my Corsair Vengeance 32GB 3200MHz CL16 to 3400MHz at 1.3500V and tightened up my timings, that has given me the best performance results. I would start at your RAM’s rated speed and go from there.

 

Anyways, 3rd gen Ryzen doesn't really OC well to begin with, nor does it yield much performance gained, fast RAM and adjusting PBO settings in Ryzen Master is best if you want to ‘OC’. 3rd gen Ryzen CPU's seem to show faster degradation symptoms if higher voltages are applied (something I recently learned). For long term 'safe' OC'ing voltages below 1.375V were considered to be fine. However, this rule of thumb is adopted from overclocking Intel CPU's, and previous generations of AMD CPU's. So, for long term use I would NOT recommend OC'ing via the standard Manual method in Bios. Keeping the voltage low and adjusting PBO settings is the safest way to squeeze out some extra performance. But even then, only expect 100-300MHz at most.

 

Good read on voltage issues with the new Ryzen CPU’s: (And why I recommend low voltage)

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/ejd5c9/1325v_is_not_safe_for_zen_2/

 

All this info comes from tirelessly scouring many many resources and doing lots of research after learning of the high voltage issues with 3rd gen Ryzen.

[nick name]

You don't want to set a static VCORE voltage unless you're also setting a multiplier.  Don't set your VCORE to 1.25V -- set an offset if you're worried about high voltages.   

[DailyProcrastinator]

42 minutes ago, minibois said:

That message is basically saying "You're running outside of the bounds the manufacturer has set.. etc. etc." but I have never heard of any case of someone breaking RAM because of DOCP (or the Intel/AMD quivalents XMP or A-XMP).

It's more of a legal message.

 

I personally probably wouldn't turn on PBO, because the performance difference will be minimal in most workloads.

Other than DOCP and boot order, there is not much to do in the BIOS

Yup DOCP's warning is basically stating that you are overclocking your RAM, for Ryzen I believe anything past 2800MHz is considered OC'ing RAM? Anyways, DOCP is a safe method, the only reason I suggest going through the Manual OC settings is because of motherboard vendors (I'm looking at you Asus) often setting some voltages way beyond spec, which in the long term can negatively impact CPU performance. 

 

PBO settings are recommended IF you want to OC, not that you get much performance out of it anyways. I personally found that it yielded little improvement so I have left my 3800x at stock. Lowering CPU voltages, setting other voltages within spec, and playing with RAM speed and timings is the way to go!

[DailyProcrastinator]

8 minutes ago, nick name said:

You don't want to set a static VCORE voltage unless you're also setting a multiplier.  Don't set your VCORE to 1.25V -- set an offset if you're worried about high voltages.   

What's your source on this? 1.2500V is low but safe, in most cases it will lower CPU temps, I haven't found anything to the contrary. 

 

EDIT: My stupid motherboard had my CPU voltage set around 1.4V beforehand, so 1.25V is certainty better. But no harm in setting an offset of 0.025 I suppose.

[nick name]

4 minutes ago, JM21 said:

What's your source on this? 1.2500V is low but safe, in most cases it will lower CPU temps, I haven't found anything to the contrary. 

 

EDIT: My stupid motherboard had my CPU voltage set around 1.4V beforehand, so 1.25V is certainty better.

Different workloads require different voltages.  While 1.25V may be suitable for some workloads it won't be enough for others.  And while your PC may appear to be running efficiently what's happening is likely lower peak speeds or clock stretching.  Or both.  And what that means is loss of performance.  So if you're gonna gimp your CPU with a static voltage then you should also set a multiplier appropriate for that voltage.  

[nick name]

13 minutes ago, JM21 said:

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EDIT: My stupid motherboard had my CPU voltage set around 1.4V beforehand, so 1.25V is certainty better. But no harm in setting an offset of 0.025 I suppose.

You can get away with a larger offset than .025V before clock stretching kicks in.  I can go up to -.06875V before I see it.  And you won't notice it by simply looking at speeds.  Actually, you'll see speeds appear to increase because of lower temps so you have to measure it with a benchmark.  CB15 is a quick way to do that.  

 

And there is nothing wrong with 1.4V under light load.  

[Jurrunio]

Stock cooler or something else?

[DailyProcrastinator]

22 hours ago, nick name said:

You can get away with a larger offset than .025V before clock stretching kicks in.  I can go up to -.06875V before I see it.  And you won't notice it by simply looking at speeds.  Actually, you'll see speeds appear to increase because of lower temps so you have to measure it with a benchmark.  CB15 is a quick way to do that.  

 

And there is nothing wrong with 1.4V under light load.  

That was common practice with previous gen's of Ryzen, however, Zen 2 is a different story. YOU can use a higher offset but again you are using a Zen+ CPU, a lot of your knowledge on this pre-exists Zen 2, I used to think that this was applicable with Zen 2 as well.

With my previous R7 1700 I was manually OC’ing past 3.9GHz with voltages in the neighborhood of 1.3750V, this was fine. I applied that same knowledge with my new R7 3800x but learned otherwise from others here on the forum and afterward, I did my research.

1.4V is not safe, recommending a high offset is not safe, even 1.3250V is not safe, this was common knowledge with previous generations.

 

22 hours ago, nick name said:

Different workloads require different voltages.  While 1.25V may be suitable for some workloads it won't be enough for others.  And while your PC may appear to be running efficiently what's happening is likely lower peak speeds or clock stretching.  Or both.  And what that means is loss of performance.  So if you're gonna gimp your CPU with a static voltage then you should also set a multiplier appropriate for that voltage.  

Again this is not applicable, I can sustain max boost frequency for much longer in rendering and CPU performance has increased in benchmark applications like CB20, this is at 1.2500V, and before I started to play around with RAM OC’ing and timings.

I recommend you actually read THIS, so you are informed.

[nick name]

3 minutes ago, JM21 said:

That was common practice with previous gen's of Ryzen, however, Zen 2 is a different story. YOU can use a higher offset but again you are using a Zen+ CPU, a lot of your knowledge on this pre-exists Zen 2, I used to think that this was applicable with Zen 2 as well.

With my previous R7 1700 I was manually OC’ing past 3.9GHz with voltages in the neighborhood of 1.3750V, this was fine. I applied that same knowledge with my new R7 3800x but learned otherwise from others here on the forum and afterward, I did my research.

1.4V is not safe, recommending a high offset is not safe, even 1.3250V is not safe, this was common knowledge with previous generations.

 

Again this is not applicable, I can sustain max boost frequency for much longer in rendering and CPU performance has increased in benchmark applications like CB20, this is at 1.2500V, and before I started to play around with RAM OC’ing and timings.

I recommend you actually read THIS, so you are informed.

Sorry, I haven't updated my signature.  I'm running a 3900X and have been playing on it non-stop for the last few days.   

 

And I'm not recommending setting 1.4V manually.  I am saying it's fine if the CPU runs those voltages when VCORE is set to Auto or Offset.  And you're making the same mistake folks made when they assumed 1.3250V was safe after reading The Stilt's post when you apply a blanket statement that "it's not safe".  I read The Stilt's post and that thread when he wrote it.  It's per specimen.  And I don't know what you are referencing when you say "this was common knowledge with previous generations".

 

And 1.25V will run on Zen 2/Ryzen 3000 probably because of the clock stretcher.  Previous Zen behavior was that when you set a manual VCORE it resulted in a fixed multiplier.  If you want to see what the clock stretcher is doing to your higher speed and lighter threaded workloads then run CB15 (CB20 will take forever) single threaded test at your 1.25V and then run it again with an offset or at Auto.  On my 3900X (which I tested yesterday) 1.25V produced a 178 point CB 15 score while clocks showed to be running at 4.5+GHz.  However, once I changed voltage to my offset that score jumped up to 213 points with clocks appearing to be the same.  That 18% loss is what clock stretching does in order to prevent a crash.         

[davidrf]

Hello, thanks for all the replies, I will read them carefully. I missed them because I thought this forum had email notifications 

 

As I just put in my signature, I don't have the stock cooling but a Cryorig H5. 

 

ANYWAY, since when I enabled DOCP, sometimes the system doesn't even post. When it does post, then it loads the OS without any problem and there's no issue at all. But many times, let's say 5 times out of 10, it does not post and it just remains stuck with a blank screen. The reset button doesn't work and the only way to power off is holding the power button for 5 seconds.Most of the times it does that only once and then it boots, but every once in a while it can go into that stuck state many times in a row before "reawakening". As soon as I turned off the DOCP the problem vanished. WTF

 

[Vizotv]

People worry too much about touching things in bios

 

I for one have an Asus x570-p motherboard with a x3700 running all cores at 4300 with no issues what so ever. Had it to 4500 but was very unstable. Some of the adjusting in bios is trial and error but there is enough info on the net to guide you. Note: you must at least change the cooler to achieve the higher clocks as mine under full load in stress testing hits around 70c with a top of the line Noctua air cooler. Memory I wouldn't bother so much as there are mixed results here with only minor gains. I am running 4 x 8gb Gskill 3600 @ 16-19-19-38

Cinabench 20 scores a nice 5200 or so.  Only now need to upgrade the graphics card to an Nvidia 3800 or better as I am choking the system with my gtx 1060  6gb card

 

Trev...