LTT Folding Team's Emergency Response to Covid-19

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, Gorgon said:

I must admit I did not do the math on buying used server equipment. I like to buy new off-the-shelf and using the bifurcation hack with a lower-end x570 board worked out much cheaper than threadripper with PCIe extenders. I didn't even bother with new Intel HEDT as that stuff is just stupid expensive compared to the competition from AMD these days.

The main problem with older HEDT or Xeons is not really the CPU prices, those can be very cheap, it's the motherboard prices. You can actually put Xeons in the HEDT motherboards and the HEDT CPUs in Xeon motherboards as long as they are the same generation/arch but the motherboards are either rare, broken, or expensive.

 

It's why for the most part I have LGA1366 servers at home but those don't have PCIe lanes from the CPU, that hadn't happened yet. LGA2011 has that (X79/C602) but even then there is an additional problem.

 

If you go with a server board they typically don't have many, or any x16 slots, but they do have a lot of x8 slots. You still end up having to use risers and the like so the main difference is you can just get more GPUs on to a single system so if the base system costs double then you need to have double the GPUs on it to make it work cost wise.

 

I've not actually done any cost calculations or anything but personally I'm sticking with servers and only a couple of GPUs each but I have other purposes for them beyond folding, and BOINC, so that is why I'll stick to that path for me.

[KenjiS9965]

5 hours ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Hey guys, quick update, the ceremony is coming, just not feeling all to well today! 

 

Out of all the days to feel unwell, it is today!

 

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It's not COVID or anything respiratory, nothing series like that!

 

No worries dude feel better

[justpoet]

52 minutes ago, ObeliskAG said:

Fixed - edited previous post. (As the 2060 KO Ultra really only has a higher factory boost clock than a regular 2060.)

Not at all.  The 2060 KO Ultra is a different chip (from EVGA anyway).

 

[justpoet]

For the 5600XT, they're really impressive for the cash.  Just make sure you get one with a beefy cooler unless you're planning to waterblock it.  They all run higher power than the board partners were told they were going to.

[NZKshatriya]

On 4/11/2020 at 9:59 PM, Inkertus said:

Go with your favorite bottled soda? (was my plan)

Was gonna go with coffee ( Caffeine:  the other legal drug :P)

[NZKshatriya]

On 4/11/2020 at 10:44 PM, justpoet said:

For the 5600XT, they're really impressive for the cash.  Just make sure you get one with a beefy cooler unless you're planning to waterblock it.  They all run higher power than the board partners were told they were going to.

For a second I was like.....Surely you don't mean the FX 5600....(I have a freaking Foxconn FX 5600 Ultra that came with a USB gamepad......gamepad is still awesome, card never was)

Then I remember AMD's new cards...

 

 

[Gustavehomme01]

41 minutes ago, Bitter said:

That's assuming that the card uses full wattage when folding. My Vega 56 uses about 180-200W, my RX580 uses about 125W, and my P106-100 uses about 100W. It's not exactly a direct folding at 100% uses stated TDP relationship, my sample size is small though but I expect most other AMD cards behave like mine which is a much lower than stated TDP for folding. Both are slightly undervolted but both consume more power doing 3D gaming loads than folding.

My RX590 only uses 93-103 Watts of its rated TDP 175w when folding read from HWM, the extra load on the CPU is an additional 20 watts(HWM). Total extra watts read from wall monitor is 145 watts.. 

 

I'm running a 80+ bronze power supply so it adds up..   145W*85=123.25w ...

[Alex Atkin UK]

15 hours ago, Xaiux said:

Are the Z370-I's VRMs known to be bad? I've been folding full core at 4.8GHz on my Strix 390-I with no issues. It hits 5.0 sometimes but not all cores usually, I do have a Prodigy ITX though so plenty of airflow

From what I can gather the Z370 only has 32A MOSFETs whereas the Z390 has 45W.  Even the latter is not considered that great for a 9900k.

 

The ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ac is meant to be the best ITX board when it comes to VRMs but I'm kinda loath to upgrade the board so long as it works, because if I do that then I'd be considering moving to AMD.  Would have been better to move it to my NAS/Server when I got the 9900k but the Z370-I didn't have enough SATA ports so instead I got an ASRock Z390M-ITX/ac.

So I'm in the silly situation that the NAS has an overkill Z390 board for the 8600k and my gaming rig is on Z370, pushing the VRMs really hard with the 9900k.  Its not a problem in gaming but folding is a whole new ball game.

[KenjiS9965]

14 minutes ago, NZKshatriya said:

For a second I was like.....Surely you don't mean the FX 5600....(I have a freaking Foxconn FX 5600 Ultra that came with a USB gamepad......gamepad is still awesome, card never was)

Then I remember AMD's new cards...

 

 

Side note, the Kshatriya is easily one of my favorite mobile suits

 

Man the FX 5600... thats an oldie

[jctappel67]

1 minute ago, Gustavehomme01 said:

My RX590 only uses 93-103 Watts of its rated TDP 175w when folding read from HWM, the extra load on the CPU is an additional 20 watts(HWM). Total extra watts read from wall monitor is 145 watts.. 

 

I'm running a 80+ bronze power supply so it adds up..   145W*85=123.25w ...

The 2070S uses all 215W while folding +-20W. 

Cranks out some ppd though, when it stays fed

[ObeliskAG]

28 minutes ago, justpoet said:

Not at all.  The 2060 KO Ultra is a different chip (from EVGA anyway).

True - but as Nvidia hasn't been clear about any architectural changes between the TU104 and the TU106, we just have the stated specifications to go by. I'm going to guess that the TU104 (2060 KO) has more cache at the SM level than the TU106 (2060).

[Gustavehomme01]

7 minutes ago, jctappel67 said:

The 2070S uses all 215W while folding +-20W. 

Cranks out some ppd though, when it stays fed

Ya I was getting  436K - 510K PPD throughout the 2 weeks, and never got above 93% utilization most of the time it would sit in the mid/low 80%. I was also folding on the GPU.

 

Edit: Estimated PPD.

[NZKshatriya]

10 minutes ago, KenjiS9965 said:

Side note, the Kshatriya is easily one of my favorite mobile suits

 

Man the FX 5600... thats an oldie

Yup, NZ666  finally a Zaku with style

If only Bandai would release a Master Grade

 

[Gorgon]

4 hours ago, Bitter said:

I haven't yet, it's loaded in a Linux system and I'm not sure how to view that like I would in Windows with something like HWinfo. If you know or if I figure out how I'll certainly post about it. Card has a 120W TDP so it should be under that figure. Seems to run at a steady 60C in the current case with mediocre air flow. I plan on pulling the cooler to clean it better and re-paste it, the heat sink it's got on it is pretty crappy so the fans are at like 60-70% for 60C, temps fall A LOT when the case side is opened up though. I'll do all that in a few days or next weekend when I build out it's final resting place in the basement.

Nvidia-smi 

[marknd59]

They could have at least used a sceen cap with the right team number. 

 

 

[mIllIs]

[marknd59]

Is anyone else trying to get WUs from 18.218.241.186 ? It fails to respond every time and the IP isn't in the list of servers on the server stats page. 

 

 

07:40:52:WU01:FS02:Connecting to 18.218.241.186:80
07:41:13:WARNING:WU01:FS02:Failed to get assignment from '18.218.241.186:80': Failed to connect to 18.218.241.186:80: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.

 

 

[Tad Bittoomuch]

5 minutes ago, marknd59 said:

Is anyone else trying to get WUs from 18.218.241.186 ? It fails to respond every time and the IP isn't in the list of servers on the server stats page. 

 

 

07:40:52:WU01:FS02:Connecting to 18.218.241.186:80
07:41:13:WARNING:WU01:FS02:Failed to get assignment from '18.218.241.186:80': Failed to connect to 18.218.241.186:80: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.

 

 

Yeah I am as well.  Usually after a few attempts the client will fall back onto another assignment server, but I'm not sure what that's about ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

 

If it doesn't try restarting your computer or deleting the slot and re-adding it.

[marknd59]

4 minutes ago, Tad Bittoomuch said:

Yeah I am as well.  Usually after a few attempts the client will fall back onto another assignment server, but I'm not sure what that's about ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

 

If it doesn't try restarting your computer or deleting the slot and re-adding it.

Yes after it fails it trys 65.254.110.245 which has no work, it's just that is wasting 1/2 of my atemps to get a WU. You don't need to restart or delete slot, just pause that slot for 5 - 10 secs. then restart it or idle it and unidle it.

[mIllIs]

An important note -not sure if it's been discussed earlier-

 

On my i7 8700 - The FAHControl sets 11 cores on the CPU assignment. however, 11 isn't a very working number for the software. So change it manually to an even number in order to get CPU work orders.

 

A shutdown /L was also required in order to spawn a "retry" from the software on the CPU side.

[Stormseeker9]

18 minutes ago, mIllIs said:

An important note -not sure if it's been discussed earlier-

 

On my i7 8700 - The FAHControl sets 11 cores on the CPU assignment. however, 11 isn't a very working number for the software. So change it manually to an even number in order to get CPU work orders.

 

A shutdown /L was also required in order to spawn a "retry" from the software on the CPU side.

uhm.. Not neccesarry mate. 

 

With my 2700 X it sets -15 by itself and folds without issues.  GPU is where my struggles have come back last 48 hours  only 14 WU's 

[rkv_2401]

17 minutes ago, mIllIs said:

An important note -not sure if it's been discussed earlier-

 

On my i7 8700 - The FAHControl sets 11 cores on the CPU assignment. however, 11 isn't a very working number for the software. So change it manually to an even number in order to get CPU work orders.

 

A shutdown /L was also required in order to spawn a "retry" from the software on the CPU side.

If you leave it on -1, it should automatically set it for 10 threads in runtime.

[Stealther]

Thanks for organizing this, its has been a while since I folded like this!  I can't find the link to the result spreadsheet and I'm curious how I did.  Would someone kindly send me the link?  TIA!

[Tad Bittoomuch]

3 minutes ago, Stealther said:

Thanks for organizing this, its has been a while since I folded like this!  I can't find the link to the result spreadsheet and I'm curious how I did.  Would someone kindly send me the link?  TIA!

Contained within are links to all the blog posts from the event, in which are links to each day's spreadsheets:

Day Zero: Users List

Day One Stats

Day Two Stats

Day Three Stats

Day Four Stats

Day Five Stats

Day Six Stats

Day Seven Stats

Day Eight Stats

Day Nine Stats

Day Ten Stats

Day Eleven Stats

[marknd59]

12 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

uhm.. Not neccesarry mate. 

 

With my 2700 X it sets -15 by itself and folds without issues.  GPU is where my struggles have come back last 48 hours  only 14 WU's 

Are you running a stock cooler and if so what temp is it running at ? I just built a new system yesterday with 2700X in it and it's at 70C with at 70% CPU load using 8 threads for F@H. I'm trying to figure out if that's OK or if I need to be looking to buy a AIO water cooler for it.