I need help brothers...

[MrSushiGaming]

I’m getting a new pc and have 500$ to spend for a graphics card. My friend is selling a Radeon vii for 500. I’m deciding weather to get the 2070 super or this. Plz help

[Nicnac]

Wow if was just today contemplating aboult with a vii. at that price I'd totally get it just make sure your psu is powerful enough.

[MrSushiGaming]

Just now, Nicnac said:

Wow if was just today contemplating aboult with a vii. at that price I'd totally get it just make sure your psu is powerful enough.

Is a 650 watt evga unit enough? Don’t plan on overclocking. 

[Nicnac]

4 minutes ago, MrSushiGaming said:

Is a 650 watt evga unit enough? Don’t plan on overclocking. 

unless you don't run a threadripper with that you should be ok but be aware that the vii can draw up to 300W. also there are great differences in the tiers of evga psus

[Nicnac]

1 hour ago, WikiForce said:

i personally feel you better get 2070 super because i don't think that's a good price for Radeon 7 as it's only 200$ less than brand new also the fact it consumes alot of power, runs hot etc.

True, depending on where op is at this might be different. In Germany where pc parts are generally more expensive 500$ would be one hell of a deal.

[MrSushiGaming]

Sry for not keeping up. I in the us and mainly game and would like to try my best for future proofing (yes ik its the f word but would like to at least try).

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, MrSushiGaming said:

Sry for not keeping up. I in the us and mainly game and would like to try my best for future proofing (yes ik its the f word but would like to at least try).

Get the radeon VII, its as powerful with more vram, meaning more future proof

[MrSushiGaming]

Thanks. Am an amd fanboy and was sad I had to get nvidia.

 

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, MrSushiGaming said:

Thanks. Am an amd fanboy and was sad I had to get nvidia.

 

I consider myself as amd fanboy too. But i still know that nvidia and intel have some better offerings with different price points. Like Radeon VII is bad for 700 bucks. Same with 5500/5500 XT. They are like rx 580 but more expensive, and 1650 super beats them. 

5700/5700Xt are good value tho, and vega series too if bought used.

 

Intel has better cpu's for gaming, if you want to throw way 100bucks for 1-5% fps improvment. If gettin r9 3950x tho, then differences beetween i9 9900k and ryzen are minimal

[MrSushiGaming]

5 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

I consider myself as amd fanboy too. But i still know that nvidia and intel have some better offerings with different price points. Like Radeon VII is bad for 700 bucks. Same with 5500/5500 XT. They are like rx 580 but more expensive, and 1650 super beats them. 

5700/5700Xt are good value tho, and vega series too if bought used.

 

Intel has better cpu's for gaming, if you want to throw way 100bucks for 1-5% fps improvment. If gettin r9 3950x tho, then differences beetween i9 9900k and ryzen are minimal

I’m a huuuuuge multitasker so would going ryzen 7 3700x be a better value then 9700f? I’m getting 32gb ram and usually have lots of programs running in the background while gaming. Like to watch anime and YouTube while gaming.

[Windoors]

@MrSushiGaming Yes, defo get a 3700x over 9700f

[MrSushiGaming]

3 hours ago, WikiForce said:

again, i suggest you buy 2070 super because they both have identical performance and brand new is always better than used. Also, VRAM is not gonna matter much unless you're playing at 4k maxed out.

It wasn’t used it was practical new. Btw planning on playing on 1080p 144hz. I’m not gonna upgrade for a looooong time after buying.

[Princess Luna]

The Radeon 7 should not be bought for gaming purposes, it is a workstation/hardware acceleration card.

 

OP you seem to only want to game hence the RTX 2070 Super is the superior pick, it games better and has better support for... you guessed it, gaming.

 

Buy the right hardware for your software.

[MrSushiGaming]

1 hour ago, Princess Luna said:

The Radeon 7 should not be bought for gaming purposes, it is a workstation/hardware acceleration card.

 

OP you seem to only want to game hence the RTX 2070 Super is the superior pick, it games better and has better support for... you guessed it, gaming.

 

Buy the right hardware for your software.

Fine, I guess I have no choice. Arigato friend.

[Zando_]

On 12/14/2019 at 10:03 AM, WikiForce said:

i personally feel you better get 2070 super because i don't think that's a good price for Radeon 7 as it's only 200$ less than brand new also the fact it consumes alot of power, runs hot etc.

Newegg is selling them brand new for $499.99 right now: https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-vii-rx-vegma3fd6/p/N82E16814150820?Item=N82E16814150820&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fpcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2fs2Jtt6%2fxfx-radeon-vii-16-gb-video-card-rx-vegma3fd6&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-ulbsj70kYlKkG11HSHe.vg
 

On 12/15/2019 at 8:24 AM, SavageNeo said:

Get the radeon VII, its as powerful with more vram, meaning more future proof

Uh, no? Unless you only every play heavily texture modded Skyrim (which isn't future proof, that's an oooooold game), or only ever play Rise of The Tomb Raider with Very High textures, but only on a card with 16GB VRAM (on a card with 8GB VRAM it will self-limit to 7.5GB, it gets greedy if there's more room), then it can use up to 8.5GB VRAM at 1080p, 9.5 at 4K. 

 

I have the Radeon VII, I had the Vega FE, the more VRAM isn't really helpful in gaming, though the extra bandwidth on the RVII can be a little boost at 4K, according to benches. Not that I ever noticed a single difference in any gameplay I ever did at 1080p or 4K with my 1080 Ti vs Radeon VII. 

 

1 hour ago, Princess Luna said:

The Radeon 7 should not be bought for gaming purposes, it is a workstation/hardware acceleration card.

Oh it's also good for idiots like me who want to muck around with cards that give you greater control, Pascal and onwards from Nvidia are locked down pretty hard. 

1 hour ago, Princess Luna said:

OP you seem to only want to game hence the RTX 2070 Super is the superior pick, it games better and has better support for... you guessed it, gaming.

 

Buy the right hardware for your software.

But yes, if you're just wanting to game then the 2070 Super actually has the most features you'll actually use, basically RTX if you have supported titles or plan to get RTX Minecraft when it's out, and NVENC for recording/streaming. DLSS (and RIS/Boost on AMD cards) is meh tech IMO, you should just buy the appropriate card for your resolution, not a lower one and then hope the upscaling tech works properly. At best they could be useful for 4K gaming if you wanna run at 1800p or something then upscale.

IIRC the 2070 Super is slightly faster than the 5700 XT on average as well (that's another card in this price range), but that depends on what titles you're playing. If you wanna see good benches, take a look-see at Hardware Unboxed. They review an insane amount of GPUs every launch, and usually do game bench roundups with numbers in over 30 titles. 

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

IIRC the 2070 Super is slightly faster than the 5700 XT on average as well

Specially on higher resolutions like 4K and up the gap in performance increases between the two.

 

Navi has issues with high resolutions, some limitations with hardware as is it seems, for instance Hardware Unboxed found that the 2070S is on average 6% faster than the 5700XT on 1440p with that gap increasing to 11% on 4K on their last comparison video.

 

Below you can see that exaggerated At 7680x1440p the gap got as high as 50%

 

So this is something to be aware of.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Specially on higher resolutions like 4K and up the gap in performance increases between the two.

 

Navi has issues with high resolutions, some limitations with hardware as is it seems, for instance Hardware Unboxed found that the 2070S is on average 6% faster than the 5700XT on 1440p with that gap increasing to 11% on 4K on their last comparison video.

 

Below you can see that exaggerated At 7680x1440p the gap got as high as 50%

 

So this is something to be aware of.

Ooooooooooo..... that's really weird lol. Pretty much the opposite of the Vega cards, they typically competed a little better at 1440p and 4K. 

[Mark Kaine]

Get a 2070 Super,  better drivers,  better game support, overall less headaches. 

Imo! 

[MrSushiGaming]

Thx everyone for keeping this thread up but I got a deal for a used 2080. Thx anyway tho!