Would my CPU bottleneck a GTX 1070?

[Senpyi]

Last December I built myself my first gaming PC.

 

The specs are:

*CPU: Intel Core i5-7500

*GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB *RAM: 16GB

*Storage: WD Blue 1TB HDD

*PSU: Corsiar CX 550W Bronze 80+

 

On other PC forums, I have asked about upgrading my CPU (cause I have kind of gathered that 4 cores and 4 threads for gaming sometimes isn't enough) but almost everyone has told me it would be more worthwhile to upgrade my GPU instead. I don't have problems per-se with my build, it is just that it struggles with some games I already have downloaded and I would like it to be more powerful I guess. So if I did upgrade my GPU to a 1070 would it be worthwhile? And how badly would it bottleneck my CPU?

Edited November 19, 2019 by Senpyi
Had the question around the wrong way.

[Kingkems]

2 minutes ago, Senpyi said:

Last December I built myself my first gaming PC.

 

The specs are:

*CPU: Intel Core i5-7500

*GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB *RAM: 16GB

*Storage: WD Blue 1TB HDD

*PSU: Corsiar CX 550W Bronze 80+

 

On other PC forums, I have asked about upgrading my CPU (cause I have kind of gathered that 4 cores and 4 threads for gaming sometimes isn't enough) but almost everyone has told me it would be more worthwhile to upgrade my GPU instead. I don't have problems per-se with my build, it is just that it struggles with some games I already have downloaded and I would like it to be more powerful I guess. So if I did upgrade my GPU to a 1070 would it be worthwhile? And how badly would it bottleneck my CPU?

If I were you I'd upgrade CPU first because my friend has a 1080ti paired with the same CPU and his struggles to run games like modernwarfare and rust.

[berberries]

i think you mean your CPU bottlenecking your GPU. i5-7500 is still pretty relevant. Pairing it with a GTX 1070 would be a great combo for most games.

 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Senpyi said:

On other PC forums, I have asked about upgrading my CPU (cause I have kind of gathered that 4 cores and 4 threads for gaming sometimes isn't enough) but almost everyone has told me it would be more worthwhile to upgrade my GPU instead. I

That's arguable. You could make games run on shitty GPUs by turning down the graphical settings (even back to PS1 era graphics if you wish so), but there's not that much you could do if the CPU isn't good, even tho the 7500 should be better than that

 

5 minutes ago, Senpyi said:

I don't have problems per-se with my build, it is just that it struggles with some games I already have downloaded and I would like it to be more powerful I guess.

what games?

 

5 minutes ago, Senpyi said:

So if I did upgrade my GPU to a 1070 would it be worthwhile? And how badly would it bottleneck my CPU?

I'd argue that the performance gap between the two GPUs aren't worth it for the long run, I'd look for 1070ti or Vega 56 in the used market.

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

That's arguable. You could make games run on shitty GPUs by turning down the graphical settings (even back to PS1 era graphics if you wish so), but there's not that much you could do if the CPU isn't good, even tho the 7500 should be better than that

 

what games?

 

I'd argue that the performance gap between the two GPUs aren't worth it for the long run, I'd look for 1070ti or Vega 56 in the used market.

Vega 64 because you can pick them up for a little less than Vega 56s because everyone is focused on cards you can flash with a 64s bios. I got my Vega 64 for $250

[Tristerin]

While the numbers increased in the skew, the CPU itself is not quite as powerful imho as people think it is.  I always reference other i5's against the one I own and am always sorely disappointed in the i5 releases

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470/3648vs2771

[Mick Naughty]

Depends on the game and res. I can see it being a problem in some. 

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

While the numbers increased in the skew, the CPU itself is not quite as powerful imho as people think it is.  I always reference other i5's against the one I own and am always sorely disappointed in the i5 releases

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470/3648vs2771

Yeah and sadly amd had to come and make Intel look bad so trying to go to a new cpu and motherboard from Intel is pointless.

[xg32]

i'd stay put or upgrade cpu first, definitely shouldn't upgrade the gpu while keeping the 7500.

[i_build_nanosuits]

52 minutes ago, Senpyi said:

On other PC forums, I have asked about upgrading my CPU (cause I have kind of gathered that 4 cores and 4 threads for gaming sometimes isn't enough) but almost everyone has told me it would be more worthwhile to upgrade my GPU instead.

i would kindly disagree with that...depending on what types of games you play...

unless you play older games, or esport games for example...the 7500 is a shit CPU when it comes to modern demanding more

open world style games for exemple it' can't do nothing...4 cores and 4 threads is not enough.

And to upgrade from a 1060 6gB i'd be looking at least at a 1080 or 1080ti or RTX 2060 Super. otherwise it's not worth it.

[Senpyi]

1 hour ago, Kingkems said:

If I were you I'd upgrade CPU first because my friend has a 1080ti paired with the same CPU and his struggles to run games like modernwarfare and rust.

I have been wanting to do that but on every forum I've asked about what I should be looking to upgrade too, everyone has said GPU first and it's got me very confused...^^;

[Senpyi]

1 hour ago, berberries said:

i think you mean your CPU bottlenecking your GPU. i5-7500 is still pretty relevant. Pairing it with a GTX 1070 would be a great combo for most games.

 

Yeah, oops that what I meant sorry . Okay, thank you for your input

[Senpyi]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

That's arguable. You could make games run on shitty GPUs by turning down the graphical settings (even back to PS1 era graphics if you wish so), but there's not that much you could do if the CPU isn't good, even tho the 7500 should be better than that

 

what games?

 

I'd argue that the performance gap between the two GPUs aren't worth it for the long run, I'd look for 1070ti or Vega 56 in the used market.

I have turned down all of the available settings on Dragon Quest 11 and I still get massive lag spikes. It's not as bad anymore but I do have fps drops on Ni No Kuni 2 as well and some other games too but those two are the games I have the most issues with.

 

Okay, thank you, I shall certainly keep that in mind regarding the GPU's.

[Senpyi]

1 hour ago, Tristerin said:

While the numbers increased in the skew, the CPU itself is not quite as powerful imho as people think it is.  I always reference other i5's against the one I own and am always sorely disappointed in the i5 releases

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470/3648vs2771

I am kind of disappointed in my i5 I won't lie, it's definitely not the worst I could've got for my first gaming PC but in some aspects, it just misses the mark a bit...

[Senpyi]

1 hour ago, Mick Naughty said:

Depends on the game and res. I can see it being a problem in some. 

Well, I want to improve performance for some particular games but it's mostly just playing some slightly more modern games at 1920x1080 res at 60fps I'm looking for without massive fps drops.

[Senpyi]

58 minutes ago, xg32 said:

i'd stay put or upgrade cpu first, definitely shouldn't upgrade the gpu while keeping the 7500.

Okay, thank you for your input, I shall keep that in mind  

[Senpyi]

20 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i would kindly disagree with that...depending on what types of games you play...

unless you play older games, or esport games for example...the 7500 is a shit CPU when it comes to modern demanding more

open world style games for exemple it' can't do nothing...4 cores and 4 threads is not enough.

And to upgrade from a 1060 6gB i'd be looking at least at a 1080 or 1080ti or RTX 2060 Super. otherwise it's not worth it.

The games I play aren't exactly old old, I play games like Ni No Kuni 2, Smite, Divinity Original Sin 2, Injustice 2, Dragon Quest 11 and Code Vein to name a few so in some of those, my fps kind of struggles and I thought that maybe having more cores might help and more threads.

 

Okay thank you, yeah many have said something similar. I shall keep looking into it.

[Mira Yurizaki]

As a side note to answer the topic question at its face: No. A GPU cannot bottleneck a CPU. The CPU doesn't care what the GPU is doing other than it's free to accept more commands.

[Senpyi]

1 minute ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

As a side note to answer the topic question at its face: No. A GPU cannot bottleneck a CPU. The CPU doesn't care what the GPU is doing other than it's free to accept more commands.

Sorry, should probably edit it to say the other way around, as the other way around was what I actually meant

[The Torrent]

1 hour ago, Senpyi said:

Last December I built myself my first gaming PC.

 

The specs are:

*CPU: Intel Core i5-7500

*GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB *RAM: 16GB

*Storage: WD Blue 1TB HDD

*PSU: Corsiar CX 550W Bronze 80+

 

On other PC forums, I have asked about upgrading my CPU (cause I have kind of gathered that 4 cores and 4 threads for gaming sometimes isn't enough) but almost everyone has told me it would be more worthwhile to upgrade my GPU instead. I don't have problems per-se with my build, it is just that it struggles with some games I already have downloaded and I would like it to be more powerful I guess. So if I did upgrade my GPU to a 1070 would it be worthwhile? And how badly would it bottleneck my CPU?

1 - its 2019 why dont you have an ssd yet? That should be no1 priority no joke.

2 - u want to have a gpu bottleneck, thats good. But looks like your cpui is a little weak at the moment to me.

[Senpyi]

1 minute ago, The Torrent said:

1 - its 2019 why dont you have an ssd yet? That should be no1 priority no joke.

2 - u want to have a gpu bottleneck, thats good. But looks like your cpui is a little weak at the moment to me.

To be honest before I built this PC back in December, I didn't know that SSD's were such a big deal. I built this PC using a template from a close friend as to what sort of specs I may need. I will look into getting an SSD as people have said they are essential to have. 

 

I don't want have a bottleneck. I'm just wondering if what other people were saying when I asked about updating my CPU were right, that I needed to update my GPU.

[The Torrent]

1 minute ago, Senpyi said:

To be honest before I built this PC back in December, I didn't know that SSD's were such a big deal. I built this PC using a template from a close friend as to what sort of specs I may need. I will look into getting an SSD as people have said they are essential to have. 

 

I don't want have a bottleneck. I'm just wondering if what other people were saying when I asked about updating my CPU were right, that I needed to update my GPU.

Well you’ve got to have a bottleneck. Somethings gotta be bottlenecked always in a system otherwise you’d have infinite power. It’s just how much of a bottleneck.

[Senpyi]

2 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

Well you’ve got to have a bottleneck. Somethings gotta be bottlenecked always in a system otherwise you’d have infinite power. It’s just how much of a bottleneck.

Yeah, sorry I meant I didn't want to have a massive bottleneck or anything to the point it becomes a problem.

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

And to upgrade from a 1060 6gB i'd be looking at least at a 1080 or 1080ti or RTX 2060 Super. otherwise it's not worth it.

A 1070ti is about 70% faster,  and honestly that's good enough to eliminate pretty much all issues a 1060 would have in many games,  especially at 1080p - and no,  no,  no a 1060 is not enough to max a lot of games out,  not even close.  You'll always have to do the very tedious,  frustrating and boring spiel of turning settings down to a mix of medium  and high settings,  which may be ok for some people,  I'd rather play my games maxed out however. 

 

You're still right,  it may not be worth it but if someone has the money to burn but not more it definitely *is* worth it.  

 

 

34 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

Well you’ve got to have a bottleneck. Somethings gotta be bottlenecked always in a system otherwise you’d have infinite power. It’s just how much of a bottleneck.

Nope,  if your gpu / cpu are about equal in performance and there are no other issues with your system,  you always have ideal power and bandwidth distribution between all parts ,  the absolute maximum your system can do - and that's definitely possible - but you would never have "infinite power'  because lol,  that doesn't exist and is *unfortunately* not how it works  

[The Torrent]

8 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

A 1070ti is about 70% faster,  and honestly that's good enough to eliminate pretty much all issues a 1060 would have in many games,  especially at 1080p - and no,  no,  no a 1060 is not enough to max a lot of games out,  not even close.  You'll always have to do the very tedious,  frustrating and boring spiel of turning settings down to a mix of medium  and high settings,  which may be ok for some people,  I'd rather play my games maxed out however. 

 

You're still right,  it may not be worth it but if someone has the money to burn but not more it definitely *is* worth it.  

 

 

Nope,  if your gpu / cpu are about equal in performance and there are no other issues with your system,  you always have ideal power and bandwidth distribution between all parts ,  the absolute maximum your system can do - and that's definitely possible - but you would never have "infinite power'  because lol,  that doesn't exist and is *unfortunately* not how it works  

I dong agree.

 

in broad terms you’ve always gotta have a bottleneck. 
 

let’s say somehow you do have an exact specific perfect ratio between cpu and gpu which someone did for some reason and involves days of careful tuning.

 

play a game that’s slightly more gpu based and boom it’s not balanced anymore.

 

imagine a scale with a spring in the middle of the overall scale, the bottleneck is whichever one is up. More weight overall makes the scale go lower. No bottleneck would be no weight pushing up in order to not chance the scale, aka infinite power.