Old Zoey Quinn tweets contradict her allegations against deceased Alec Holowka

[Delicieuxz]

In 2007, during a soft-core porn shoot, Zoe Quinn (going by the porn name Locke Valentine), claimed to the photographer that she had stabbed and killed someone. That photographer wrote about it in 2014, in reaction to the Gamergate scandal, and said that Zoe Quinn had made defaming lies against him behind his back and was "BY FAR the worst client I have ever had" and "When I realized Locke was Zoe, I was disgusted to see she was still playing the same games. Stealing, cheating, lying and claiming to be victimized by anyone and everyone".

 

Zoe Quinn’s Lying, Cheating, and Claim Of Stabbing And Killing A Man, Alleged By Photographer

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Zoe informed me that her roommate, who had been involved in the shoots, either by being in the apartment, or smuggling us in to her place of work turned out to be a, ” mentally unbalanced cunt,” (her words not mine) among other things, and that it was unacceptable to use ANY of the photos we had taken that weekend. I was pretty upset about this, and sent her several messages asking if perhaps I could talk to the roommate, have her sign a waiver, or something, despite the fact that neither Zoe, nor I, had any legal obligation to ask the roommate’s permission for ANYTHING. Zoe insisted that she was a crazy, evil bitch, and refused to provide me with any sort of contact information.

 

Finally, weeks later, a handful of other models I had worked with on the site messaged me to inform me that Zoe had written them and told them that I forced her to look at, “mutilated vagina,” pictures, which she said, had horrified her, and she had basically sent me away then and there. The models she told this to knew me, and thankfully came to me with these nonsense claims. We had in fact discussed cosmetic surgery, while talking about modeling, and she had looked up Before/After Breast Implant images. The conversation moved on to Labiaplasty, and we looked at a few of those images as well. So, there is an inch of truth, in the really awful lie she told about me. There was never any force involved, and she was the one controlling the computer the whole time. This took place in her home, on her computer, with her boyfriend and roommate both in the room.

 

I decided it wasn’t worth the fight. I was eventually contacted by the roommate, who told me a very different story to the one Zoe had, and I let the issue drop.

 

 

 

[5x5]

 

[Andreas Lilja]

Pointing out that a source is less legit than the Daily Mail is not a logical fallacy. We're talking about a glorified blog by nobodies and with no backing reputation outside of a heavy right-wing slant. 

[Drak3]

13 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Pointing out that a source is less legit than the Daily Mail is not a logical fallacy

Do you have multiple, actual examples? Or are they not legitimate because you disagree with them

 

[5x5]

23 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Pointing out that a source is less legit than the Daily Mail is not a logical fallacy. We're talking about a glorified blog by nobodies and with no backing reputation outside of a heavy right-wing slant. 

Do you have any proof or are you just scraping the bottom of the barrel? So far the Post Millennial has more credibility than Zoe Quinn. Frankly, Alex Jones has more credibility than her. So unless there's hard evidence, I'm inclined to believe the news outlet which provided evidence for everything. If they were fake, why hide her tweet history? She could easily disprove them but she continues to keep her account private - meaning, the story is most definitely real.

[Andreas Lilja]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Do you have multiple, actual examples? Or are they not legitimate because you disagree with them

 

Just look at their frigging headlines and staff.

 

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/about-us/

 

Also laughable traffic.

 

[Sauron]

It's funny you'd be so keen on digging up 6 year old tweets while at the same time ignoring the explicit request by both Alec and his sister to leave Quinn alone.

[Drak3]

Just now, Andreas Lilja said:

Also laughable traffic.

Irrelevant.

 

1 minute ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Just look at their frigging headlines and staff.

So it's just because you disagree with them.

[Andreas Lilja]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Irrelevant.

 

So it's just because you disagree with them.

I don't have to write a 200-page essay about how it's a non-credible glorified blog. 

 

No I have never cited their left-wing offshots. 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Andreas Lilja said:

don't have to write a 200-page essay about how it's a non-credible glorified blog. 

You do have to support your claims that it's a bad source, if you want to convince people.

 

You have failed to do that.

[Andreas Lilja]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

You do have to support your claims that it's a bad source, if you want to convince people.

 

You have failed to do that.

The onus isn't on me. The OP cited the link.

 

Just look at their staff, a bunch of 21-year-old students with no credentials.

[5x5]

3 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

I don't have to write a 200-page essay about how it's a non-credible glorified blog. 

 

No I have never cited their left-wing offshots. 

So you have no evidence to support your claims so you ignore reality and live by your own alternative facts. Got'cha

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Just look at their staff, a bunch of 21-year-old students with no credentials.

And? That's an appeal to authority fallicy.

 

2 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

The onus isn't on me.

Actually, it is. You're the one claiming that the source is unreliable without backing up your claims.

[5x5]

9 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's funny you'd be so keen on digging up 6 year old tweets while at the same time ignoring the explicit request by both Alec and his sister to leave Quinn alone.

We aren't harassing her, though - we're discussing our views on the subject. And considering the severity of the situation, it warrants discussion and there should definitely be a precedent set here with a full investigation. It's not just internet drama - a man lost his livelihood, sanity and life overnight due to someone inciting a cyberbullying mob against him without any real proof of...well....anything

[Delicieuxz]

50 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Pointing out that a source is less legit than the Daily Mail is not a logical fallacy. We're talking about a glorified blog by nobodies and with no backing reputation outside of a heavy right-wing slant. 

Attacking a messenger to downplay the information it reports is a logical fallacy. Ad hominem, which is what your above post is, is also a logical fallacy. Further, none of what you wrote is backed-up by anything - you're just making things up on the fly, as you confirm in your next post.

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Just look at their frigging headlines and staff.

 

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/about-us/

 

Also laughable traffic.

So, what you're saying there is that you actually had nothing to back up your no-credibility claims all along, and your criticism of the news outlet was baseless. You were just making stuff up to mock the messenger because you didn't like what it reported, and were bluffing and hoping your empty ridicule would be enough to convince people to disregard the information the site reported.

 

Having no credibility isn't something that happens because you don't like the information a source presents, but is the result of making claims and detractions in the manner that you just have.

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

We aren't harassing her, though - we're discussing our views on the subject. And considering the severity of the situation, it warrants discussion and there should definitely be a precedent set here with a full investigation.

Nah, it's actually a pretty settled matter. It's just that some people can't seem to let it go.

11 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

It's not just internet drama - a man lost his livelihood, sanity and life overnight due to someone inciting a cyberbullying mob against him without any real proof of...well....anything

Which is not how it went, not to mention the guy mostly admitted to doing what he was accused of and apologized to Quinn who accepted his apology and would have moved on if it weren't for the real hate mob on the other side. Quinn never incited any sort of cyberbullying, the only reason the whole thing blew up is that people (not on Quinn's "side") thought they could make a lot of money and gain political credibility by conducting a witch hunt against Quinn. Now that the sister of the deceased guy has asked you people to just freaking stop, don't you think it's a little disrespectful to keep raving on about things that don't concern you?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

We aren't harassing her, though - we're discussing our views on the subject. And considering the severity of the situation, it warrants discussion and there should definitely be a precedent set here with a full investigation. It's not just internet drama - a man lost his livelihood, sanity and life overnight due to someone inciting a cyberbullying mob against him without any real proof of...well....anything

As a public figure its her responsibility to see how the public sees her in the spotlight. I don't think discussion of this particular subject is truly appropriate given the request to leave Quinn alone at this time - its not really for her sake. 

[Delicieuxz]

40 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's funny you'd be so keen on digging up 6 year old tweets while at the same time ignoring the explicit request by both Alec and his sister to leave Quinn alone.

Being capable of seeing problems with Quinn's claims doesn't mean we're subservient to the Holowkas' requests, as if those things are a package. And Holowka making a request to leave Quinn along doesn't automatically mean that the request is the appropriate or due course of action, and you're also presuming and imposing a grand scope to the request that is basically your opinion.

 

You don't know why she made that request. But, as she is in a state of grief, it could be because she is mentally shut-down and doesn't want to deal with any noise about this. That doesn't mean that the public is or has to be in the same state as her, and people in the public can and do have their own questions and motivations, including good ones, for discussing what's happened.

 

And we aren't talking to Quinn here, we're discussing the situation among ourselves. Therefore, I would say we are leaving Quinn alone while we discuss on LTT or whichever forum.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, floofer said:

I don't think discussion of this particular subject is truly appropriate

Given Quinn's past, discussion is absolutely appropriate.

 

4 minutes ago, floofer said:

the request to leave Quinn alone at this time

We're not beholden to that request. Given Quinn's slander, it's rather pertinent to discuss the what and how to determine how to keep it from happening again.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Given Quinn's past, discussion is absolutely appropriate.

 

We're not beholden to that request. Given Quinn's slander, it's rather pertinent to discuss the what and how to determine how to keep it from happening again.

Its fine to talk about it on here just I mean they are probably trying to mourn and move on, so whilst they are probably not on the forum, you know, best to respect their wishes. I don't mind discussion, because especially about suicide its important, but maybe a little sensitive I feel at present. 

[5x5]

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Nah, it's actually a pretty settled matter. It's just that some people can't seem to let it go.

Which is not how it went, not to mention the guy mostly admitted to doing what he was accused of and apologized to Quinn who accepted his apology and would have moved on if it weren't for the real hate mob on the other side. Quinn never incited any sort of cyberbullying, the only reason the whole thing blew up is that people (not on Quinn's "side") thought they could make a lot of money and gain political credibility by conducting a witch hunt against Quinn. Now that the sister of the deceased guy has asked you people to just freaking stop, don't you think it's a little disrespectful to keep raving on about things that don't concern you?

Where exactly did he admit guilt? I'm genuinely asking because from what I read (almost every article and public tweet I could find) - the situation was not like that at all - a flurry of Quinn's tweets appeared, he was overwhelmed and took his life under the social media mob pressure. His sister has also clarified in a subsequent statement that she wasn't admitting any sort of guilt on his behalf.

 

As for us - we are interested in the truth - you can't drop such massive and serious allegations, get a man to commit suicide, and then just sweep it under the rug cause it doesn't concern anyone anymore. She's an adult. An adult who knowingly published allegations against a human being that caused massive repercussions. And they were felt far and wide. An investigation from authorities needs to happen for this matter to be settled.

[5x5]

Just now, floofer said:

Its fine to talk about it on here just I mean they are probably trying to mourn and move on, so whilst they are probably not on the forum, you know, best to respect their wishes. I don't mind discussion, because especially about suicide its important, but maybe a little sensitive I feel at present. 

Exactly - we aren't going on twitter/facebook/google or whatever and attacking them. We're on a tech forum on the other side of the internet sharing our thoughts. I've made a point to not mention this topic on any social media platform - feel free to check. This is the only time I've discussed it seeing as it was brought up. Also, as evident by my last posts, I am interested in an official investigation into the matter, not mob justice or a bandwagon.

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

You don't know why she made that request

I do, she made that request because unlike you she understands that Quinn is not responsible for the situation and this constant flaming has hurt her and her brother as well.

2 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

and as she is in a state of grief, it could be because she is mentally shut-down and doesn't want to deal with any noise about this

Oh, how kind of you to ignore her explicit will because somehow you presume to know better, due to some conspiracy video you saw on youtube.

5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

But that doesn't mean that the public has to be in the same state as her, and people in the public can and do have their own questions and motivations, including good ones, for discussing what's happened.

No, there are no good reasons for discussing this other than shutting down threads like this. The matter has been settled for years, the vast majority of the accusations leveled against Quinn are demonstrably lies and the people involved have considered the issue resolved for a long time.

7 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

And we aren't talking to Quinn here, we're discussing the situation among ourselves.

Ah yes, I bet you'd love it if I opened a thread berating you so long as I didn't mention you directly.

 

I'll just close this out with a comment I saw elsewhere because the person who wrote it really nailed it.

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I’m already seeing the comments, so let’s be clear about something here:

“Cancel Culture” did not kill Alec Holowka. We don’t yet have the full picture of how he died, but it sounds as if he died by suicide, and had been suffering from a host of psychological and personal difficulties prior to that final, tragic act.

No one deserves death over allegations of abuse, but the fact that Holowka is now dead does not mean that allegations should not be levied where and when they are necessary. To say that “cancel culture” killed Alec Holowka seeks to revictimize his alleged victims (and even the man’s own sister admits he was responsible for “causing harm”) by laying the blame for his death on them.

I want to be very, very clear here: Holowka didn’t deserve this, his family didn’t deserve this—no one ever deserves the fallout, heartache, and loss that follows suicide.

But the fact that Holowka appears to have ended his own life does not, will not, and cannot silence victims of abusive behaviors. The man may or may not have been guilty of the various allegations of abuse made against him, but his alleged victims have the right to make those allegations—and those allegations should be investigated.

 

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again as many times as is necessary: “Believe women” does not mean that the accused is automatically guilty. It means that allegations of abuse should be fully and thoroughly investigated, every time, irrespective of whether or not we personally feel that the individual woman involved is “worthy” of that investigation (whatever the fuck that means). Every person is a human being, and human beings have an inherent right to their personal dignity—and that dignity deserves the respect and consideration necessary to say “you claim this person did X to you, and we’re going to get to the bottom of it,” rather than immediately responding with “well, you went back to their apartment/had been in a relationship with them/dressed provocatively/are known for having been sexually active with multiple partners in the past.”

Those things are all red herrings meant to distract from the core allegation—which, if proven, makes the alleged perpetrator’s actions their fucking fault, and no one else’s.

Holowka’s death, while tragic and undeserved, is already being used as a red herring to distract from the core conversation surrounding the sexual liberties (and abuses) that some in the industry have been taking with their peers, subordinates, and fans. The loaded label of “cancel culture” is being held up to mock survivors and alleged survivors, and is part and parcel of an effort to shut the discussion down and silence victims.

It is base, vile horseshit, and to use a man’s death as a distraction from a discussion too many want to see shut down is cowardly and ghoulish in the extreme.

I hope his family can find some peace in all of this, and that if there is an afterlife, that Holowka finds his peace in it—but none of that changes the discussion on the ground.

 

Perhaps instead of speculating on the damage Quinn may or may not have done to him you should consider the damage you're doing to his family right now.

[Andreas Lilja]

48 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

And? That's an appeal to authority fallicy.

Yeah asking that a person with actual credits to back something is a "fallacy". 

 

Good luck citing The Post Millennial in a college-grade essay. Might even be marked down in high school.

 

48 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Actually, it is. You're the one claiming that the source is unreliable without backing up your claims.

- Slanted coverage

- Staff

- Reputation

55 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Irrelevant.

Very relevant. Why do you think scientific journals have impact factors, or newspapers have reputations.

[Drak3]

Just now, Andreas Lilja said:

Slanted coverage

Provide evidence.

 

Just now, Andreas Lilja said:

Staff

Explain in detail. Not just your vague question dodge.

1 minute ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Reputation

Provide evidence for your claims. And being around for only a short time is irrelevant to credibility. To argue otherwise is to adhere to the fallicy of Appeal to Authority.