Voxility cut off BitMitigate because of 8chan

[realpetertdm]

10 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

One of your sources does not condemn Antifa's violence. Hell, it softly legitimizes it:

The next paragraph, and the rest of the article, does not talk about it being morally or legally wrong. All it does is talk about how this reinforces (what Vox libelously claims are Neo-Nazis' and KKK members') wrongthink.

 

 

The other source exists after Ngo's lawyer announced lawsuits against those responsible for the attack and any potential libel/slander. It's also locked behind a pay wall. I'm not wasting money on that rag.

 

 

And that still ignores Tim Poole's video on it.

Again, news sources are acknowledging Antifa'a violent behavior. Do you want every news source condemning Antifa and wishing for their deaths or something?

 

That's not legitimizing it, that's showing a side's opinion. Hahaha.

 

You still haven't given any evidence that the media is "controlled" by radical leftists. Please do explain Fox News if the media is actually controlled by "racial leftists". But I'm assuming you aren't going to answer this.

 

Also do I need to mention how right wing media controlls almost all of the radio/podcast area?

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, realpetertdm said:

news sources are acknowledging Antifa'a violent behavior.

Either that means nothing, or you should be on 8Chan's /pol side because they too acknowledge Antifa's behavior.

 

1 minute ago, realpetertdm said:

Please do explain Fox News if the media is actually controlled by "racial leftists". But I'm assuming you aren't going to answer this.

Again, I didn't make that claim.

 

And even if I did, one outlet going against the rule does not invalidate the rule.

2 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

That's not legitimizing it, that's showing a side's opinion. Hahaha.

No, that's legitimization. There is no opinion to that, at all. The only things that are not factual are the libelous claims of Neo-Nazism, KKK, and White Supremacy. Those three things, by the way, are very uniformly viewed as bad by the mainstream left and right.

 

To make that claim, and follow it up only with "violence reinforces their views" is trying to legitimize the libel made against them.

[Kisai]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

So its fair to say they all experience a similar amount of scrutiny at some level. 

Yeah.

 

Internet infrastructure kinda goes like this:

 

Top level - AS (Autonomous systems) Peers, where internet traffic is routed through

Also Top level - Backhaul transit

Data centers - Peer to each other through backhaul transit, or own their own transit (such as OVH)

Anywhere there is a POP, you can have OVH services. That means you can operate a data center in that city, or you can connect to their transit in someone elses carrier-neutral facility. Super expensive by the way, we're talking 5 digits at least.

Data centers have ISP's and resellers. You can have your server in X's DC using Y's transit, or you can have your server in Z's rack in X's DC using Y's transit.

 

It all gets pretty complicated too, since you can also be a virtualized server in Z's rack, using X's DC and Y's transit.

 

So if I send a DMCA, or a legal notice, or just email abuse@OVH, I can in theory take down an entire data center if that IP address I identify belongs to the data center and not the customer using the data center. In practice, unless you nail down exactly where the abuse is coming from (eg ip address, server logs, etc) the transit carrier and the data center is not going on a fishing expedition unless they've received previous reports and thus already know who is to blame. If I were to say an entire IP address range was DDoS'ing my server and had logs showing it, and send it to the DC or ISP, their NOC will notify their customer to cease and resolve it immediately. And some ISP's will either null route or unplug machines that don't get a near-immediate response.

 

Which goes back to this idea that *chan sites shouldn't be held responsible. No, if you know your site is engaging in illegal activity, it's only a matter of time for someone to do the research and figure out where the server actually is. The DMCA process that cloudflare has a big glaring hole in it, that everyone sending DMCA's to cloudflare to get their content off y*ff.party (hosted by OVH at the time, might still be true) is that cloudflare sends the email to cloudflare customer and does nothing else. So everyone who tried to get their stuff pulled from YP? had their email boxes flooded with 10's of thousands of emails by being signed up to mailing lists they didn't want, and many of those mailing lists? the unsubscribe didn't work. Collateral damage, now many of those mailing lists are automatically flagged as spam. Cloudflare knows this site is a piracy hub, and still protects it. Same with 8m*ses, huge piracy site with stolen comics and an explicit "we ignore DMCA's" notice on their site. Cloudflare ignores them too.

 

Cloudflare only acts when they are being embarassed, which seems the line in the sand for them is people posting that they are going to go on a shooting spree.

[realpetertdm]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Either that means nothing, or you should be on 8Chan's /pol side because they too acknowledge Antifa's behavior.

 

Again, I didn't make that claim.

 

And even if I did, one outlet going against the rule does not invalidate the rule.

No, that's legitimization. There is no opinion to that, at all. The only things that are not factual are the libelous claims of Neo-Nazism, KKK, and White Supremacy. Those three things, by the way, are very uniformly viewed as bad by the mainstream left and right.

 

To make that claim, and follow it up only with "violence reinforces their views" is trying to legitimize the libel made against them.

That "one outlet" is the most viewed news channel in the united states. I would ask you how the media is controlled by leftists if CNN or MSNBC are still in second and third place.

Your claim is that the media is controlled by radical leftists, no? You're claiming that this opinion is based on facts (which is not the case as demonstrated above)

 

"White supremacy is unifornly viewed as bad by the left and right" Oh I beg to differ. We have a president who just showed racist tendercies on twitter days ago.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

Your claim is that the media is controlled by radical leftists, no?

No.

 

2 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

which is not the case as demonstrated above)

You have literally demonstrated nothing.

 

2 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

We have a president who just showed racist tendercies on twitter days ago.

"Racist" tendencies, that fall apart when the entire context of the conversation is given.

[realpetertdm]

Just now, Drak3 said:

No.

 

You have literally demonstrated nothing.

 

"Racist" tendencies, that fall apart when the entire context of the conversation is given.

You are claiming that someone else's argument that radical leftists control the media is factual. This is false, and I've already demonstrated why. You've shown nothing. 

 

How do they fall apart again? Calling American-born citizens to go back to where they come from is racist, period. Shall I mention the time Trump got sued by the DOJ for racism in housing?

[Taf the Ghost]

3 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Only because you aren't aware of what's actually going on in the streets. If you live in the western US and are white, you're FAR more likely to get beaten up by Antifa than you are ever likely to be shot by a right wing mass shooter.

 

Because CNN and Fox are largely ignoring Antifa for some fucking reason. And the police in these areas are being told "do not intervene or make arrests".

 

It's almost as if Fox News is, and always has been, a strawman.

FoxNews has historically been Center-Left with Blondes, minus a few of their talking heads. It just makes them look Far Right compared to the Insane Left you get with MSNBC. Fox is still a part of the Media Manipulation Complex (for a lack of a better phrase).

 

Antifa is just the latest Leftist Thug Group, so they'll be defended. Whether it was the KKK or the Days of Rage bombers, Leftists always downplay the fact they support mass terror against population groups.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, realpetertdm said:

Calling American-born citizens to go back to where they come from is racist, period

Omar is not American born.

 

And that's not racist either. Race is not a factor. Origin is.

[realpetertdm]

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

FoxNews has historically been Center-Left with Blondes, minus a few of their talking heads. It just makes them look Far Right compared to the Insane Left you get with MSNBC. Fox is still a part of the Media Manipulation Complex (for a lack of a better phrase).

 

Antifa is just the latest Leftist Thug Group, so they'll be defended. Whether it was the KKK or the Days of Rage bombers, Leftists always downplay the fact they support mass terror against population groups.

Uh... What? How is Fox "center left"?

Antifa isn't being defended. Democrats have gone out to criticize Antifa for its violent behavior.

[realpetertdm]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Omar is not American born.

 

And that's not racist either. Race is not a factor. Origin is.

Their Origin is American. And the president thought that three democratically elected congress representatives were not American because of their race.

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, realpetertdm said:

Uh... What? How is Fox "center left"?

Antifa isn't being defended. Democrats have gone out to criticize Antifa for its violent behavior.

Because Fox has historically been Center-Left with Blondes, minus a few of the talking heads. Just because their big names are Center-Right, doesn't mean most of their reporting is. Blondes & Guns puts you in the Center in the USA. But that's the point of "Narrative Framing". They want "Fox is Right-wing, CNN is Center and MSNBC is Left-wing" to be the narrative because it prevents anyone from really making in-roads, in any direction. 

[Drak3]

Just now, realpetertdm said:

And the president thought that three democratically elected congress representatives were not American because of their race.

And? Do you have some kind of point? Or are you just going keep going along with this deflection?

 

Because as it stands, the Squad, as these four have become known as, practice racial tribalism in their politics. They do not act in accordance to their jurisdiction, they act on behalf of their racial group and its origin. That's very atypical of US born politicians.

 

1 minute ago, realpetertdm said:

Their Origin is American.

Not the Somalian.

[realpetertdm]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Because Fox has historically been Center-Left with Blondes, minus a few of the talking heads. Just because their big names are Center-Right, doesn't mean most of their reporting is. Blondes & Guns puts you in the Center in the USA. But that's the point of "Narrative Framing". They want "Fox is Right-wing, CNN is Center and MSNBC is Left-wing" to be the narrative because it prevents anyone from really making in-roads, in any direction. 

See, saying something doesn't automatically make it right.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

[realpetertdm]

5 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

And? Do you have some kind of point? Or are you just going keep going along with this deflection?

 

Because as it stands, the Squad, as these four have become known as, practice racial tribalism in their politics. They do not act in accordance to their jurisdiction, they act on behalf of their racial group and its origin. That's very atypical of US born politicians.

 

Not the Somalian.

Your point is literally just Whataboutism. It doesn't matter if those representatives are racist or not, what Trump did *was* racist. Bringing up othet issues in reply to Trump's tweets is just plain deflection.

 

You really can't say "both sides think racism is bad" when the leader of one side does it in plain view.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

See, saying something doesn't automatically make it right.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

Ah, so I'm supposed to believe some random website? The point of media is always about manipulation. Fox News is still a DC/NYC media company that will defend the power structures of Washington DC.  That's the point of framing the narratives they way they do.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

what Trump did *was* racist.

No, it wasn't.

 

3 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

You really can't say "both sides think racism is bad" when the leader of one side does it in plain view.

One man does not an entire party make.

[realpetertdm]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Ah, so I'm supposed to believe some random website? The point of media is always about manipulation. Fox News is still a DC/NYC media company that will defend the power structures of Washington DC.  That's the point of framing the narratives they way they do.

The website lists multiple pieces of evidence pointing how Fox has a right wing bias.

[realpetertdm]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

No, it wasn't.

 

One man does not an entire party make.

How is it not racist again?

The one man is the leader of the entire GOP and yet few people have denounced his racist behavior.

 

Shall I also mention all the stuff he did? Central Park Five? DOJ lawsuit? His father was a KKK member?

[Drak3]

Just now, realpetertdm said:

How is it not racist again?

Race is not a factor in his tweets.

 

1 minute ago, realpetertdm said:

yet few people have denounced his racist behavior.

Bullshit. Moderate Republicans do rather frequently.

 

Oh wait, they're Republicans so they don't get opinions.

3 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

Central Park Five?

Slander based on Trump considering them guilty because he believed that they actually admitted they were guilty.

6 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

DOJ lawsuit?

If you're referring to the suit against Trump and his father over blocking blacks, there are a few crucial details:

1. Trump's management settled
2. The witness to the event said that it was management staff that ordered it.

 

10 minutes ago, realpetertdm said:

His father was a KKK member?

Irrelevant. We're not talking about his father.

[realpetertdm]

16 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Race is not a factor in his tweets.

 

Bullshit. Moderate Republicans do rather frequently.

 

Oh wait, they're Republicans so they don't get opinions.

Slander based on Trump considering them guilty because he believed that they actually admitted they were guilty.

If you're referring to the suit against Trump and his father over blocking blacks, there are a few crucial details:

1. Trump's management settled
2. The witness to the event said that it was management staff that ordered it.

 

Irrelevant. We're not talking about his father.

Their origin is American. Trump did this based on race.

 

Moderate republicans do? Gee I wonder if you have evidence! 

Saying one GOP voter denounces Trump doesn't make up for the tens of senators and and representatives that don't.

 

Yes management is totally not under control by Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.html

Quote

To prove the discrimination, blacks were repeatedly dispatched as testers to Trump apartment buildings to inquire about vacancies, and white testers were sent soon after. Repeatedly, the black person was told that nothing was available, while the white tester was shown apartments for immediate rental.

 

A former building superintendent working for the Trumps explained that he was told to code any application by a black person with the letter C, for colored, apparently so the office would know to reject it. A Trump rental agent said the Trumps wanted to rent only to “Jews and executives,” and discouraged renting to blacks.

Donald Trump furiously fought the civil rights suit in the courts and the media, but the Trumps eventually settled on terms that were widely regarded as a victory for the government. Three years later, the government sued the Trumps again, for continuing to discriminate.

From Vox:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

Quote

A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

Quote

 In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

Quote

Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.

Quote

• He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Quote

• In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly saidthat “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters that stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”

 

[Arika]

well this thread is going about as well as i expected

[miagisan]

There is alot of misunderstanding about freedom of speech. 

 

First off, you are not protected by the consititution on the internet....as the internet does not belong to any one country. How can the US constitution apply to people, say in China, who's internet is heavily censored? 

 

Secondly, the government of the United States is NOT saying you CANNOT post hate or 8chan (garbage....been there before) content, hence you are NOT in violation of the 1st Amendment.

 

Thirdly, a private organization or person absolutely has the right to limit what is said or what services it will provide. Look at the whole gay couple/baker incident where the baker refused to make a gay wedding cake in oregon (denial of service upheld by the supreme court).

 

Lastly, if it was my company, i would not tolerate total free speech. LTT bans and censors if the topic is against their TOS (such as piracy)....why arent you up in arms with LTT?

 

/thread 

[Spotty]

- Thread Locked -

Quote

No trolling or flame-bait.

• This includes topics such as AMD vs NVIDIA, "company X sucks", and political or religious debates.