Trump targets games

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, Video Beagle said:

Why do you think it'll be different with "Gen Y"?

When Boomers were young it was violence in comic books and movies and that devil Rock & Roll.

Unless some new revolutionary form of media is invented, Gen Y and after who understands video games the most won't be resorting to this rhetoric.

[WereCat]

1 minute ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

Unless some new revolutionary form of media is invented, Gen Y and after who understands video games the most won't be resorting to this rhetoric.

let's wait for neuralink vr

[poochyena]

I don't see how games are worse than teaching a kid how to use a gun to kill real life animals. I think using a real gun to kill real things is more desensitizing than using a controller to kill a virtual character.

[Video Beagle]

Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

Unless some new revolutionary form of media is invented, Gen Y who understands video games the most won't be resorting to this rhetoric.

Despite me pointing out Boomers had comic books and cartoons and movies and music...and they still blame entertainment media...and Gen X had comics and cartoons and movies and tv and music and video games...and they still blame entertainment media.

And Gen Y has comics and cartoons and movies and tv and music and video games and social media....but Gen Y is going to be different? uh huh.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

The late great George Carlin described the baby boomers the best.

 

 

IMO the boomers can't die off quickly enough.  Gen X never had the balls to stand up to them (and that's coming from a late Gen X'er), but I have a feeling that Gen X will keep a low profile so that the Milennials and GenY can hopefully sort out the mess that the boomer a-holes created ... if it's not too late by then.

 

EDIT : and yes, I know that there are several Baby Boomers here, some of which I even like. 

Some of them are good people.  That doesn't change my view on the entire generation though. 

 

[Video Beagle]

There really should, statistically speaking, be a lot more death's by anvil if the supposed link between media consumed and violence existed.

[NumLock21]

I bet most of us in this forum has played a FPS game before and we know the difference between make believe and reality. In GTA V I run over peds, blow up cars, and do all sort of crazy stuffs. Will I do that irl? Absolutely not.

[Mira Yurizaki]

10 minutes ago, Video Beagle said:

Despite me pointing out Boomers had comic books and cartoons and movies and music...and they still blame entertainment media...and Gen X had comics and cartoons and movies and tv and music and video games...and they still blame entertainment media.

Except until the late 70s, maybe early 80s, most media back in the day were heavily restricted by codes of conduct. An example would be the Hays Code for motion pictures. And in another specific example, in the TV show I Love Lucy, Lucy and her husband didn't even share the same bed even though it was likely back then, married couples did share the same bed (or at the very least, put two twins together because I dunno, reasons).

 

In other words, entertainment media was heavily self-governed because gosh darnit, America is wholesome Christian country unlike those Godless commies (okay, that only applies during the Cold War years, but still).

 

By the time Gen Y got to enjoy entertainment media, the entertainment industry basically threw away the view of needing to conform to some conservative view. Because people actually wanted things other than something out of Leave it to Beaver.

 

EDIT: If you're still wondering why generations would be blaming societal issues on things they also had, it's because it didn't conform to their world view and media back then was pretty much centered on "good, wholesome values" or whatever. Even if there was violence, it was still clear that there was a without-a-doubt bad guy and the death was basically as least gruesome as possible.

 

But the gates have been thrown wide open for Gen Y, and they've practically seen it all.

[steelo]

31 minutes ago, Phill104 said:

Why do I want to jump on a table and scream every time Trump comes out with some knee jerk reaction guff. It is not computer games that kill, it is the free availability of automatic weapons, or any weapon. Appease the NRA by blaming someone else, forget the people as long as it wins votes.

Both 'sides' always react idiotically and use it as an opportunity to push their own agenda. It's actually pretty sick.

 

The left will try to turn it into a race/gun control/homophobia issue while the right will declare a mental health/video game crisis.

[Mira Yurizaki]

And since I feel like edits will get ignored because timing of reading:

 

The only thing I Gen Y would complain about with video games and societal issues are the messages they perceive coming from the game. For example, they might think Tomb Raider is sexist because of the way they portray Lara, but they won't say "video games promote sexist values!" as a blanket statement. However, I've yet to see a prominent group who has practically grown up with video games do a blanket blame of society's problems on video games itself. They understand that video games are just another media to express some creator's thing.

[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, steelo said:

while the right will declare a mental health crisis.

And that would be the correct stance to take. The US  is having a mental health crisis.

[steelo]

Just now, Drak3 said:

And that would be the correct stance to take. The US  is having a mental health crisis.

I absolutely agree. As long as we have sharp things or things that go 'boom', we are all in danger with some of the people who desperately need help.

[Video Beagle]

2 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

The only thing I Gen Y would complain about with video games and societal issues...

I can't decide if it's charming how you think "Gen Y"....whatever that is...will be "more enlightened"...then every previous generation, or not...

Video Games were chosen because it's the biggest industry, so it's the easiest target. That a lot of the companies behind them aren't American I'm sure is a bonus.

 

This has nothing to do with "video games", just what they can put blame on to rally the troops.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

As long as we have sharp things or things that go 'boom', we are all in danger with some of the people who desperately need help.

Blunt objects, vehicles, food, etc.

 

Everything is a weapon.

[spartaman64]

26 minutes ago, WereCat said:

let's wait for neuralink vr

little timmy stop playing those neuralink games  they are going to remove the logout button and make it so when you die in game you die in real life

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Politicians have been blaming games for fucking ages. It ain't new that boomers don't like entertainment that isn't cable news.

Trump in particular has a very good reason to say this - aside from the whole gun controversy, most large shootings in the last few months have been politically motivated and carried out by people using Trump's own rhetoric as an excuse.

 

It can't be the toxic ideals his party and his supporters push, it must be videogames!

[steelo]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Trump in particular has a very good reason to say this - aside from the whole gun controversy, most large shootings in the last few months have been politically motivated and carried out by people using Trump's own rhetoric as an excuse.

 

It can't be the toxic ideals his party and his supporters push, it must be videogames!

Again, both sides attempt to influence the weak minded and mentally ill and both parties are extremely toxic. Neither 'side' is less dangerous than the other.

[spartaman64]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Trump in particular has a very good reason to say this - aside from the whole gun controversy, most large shootings in the last few months have been politically motivated and carried out by people using Trump's own rhetoric as an excuse.

 

It can't be the toxic ideals his party and his supporters push, it must be videogames!

wym he also blamed social media which sounds like hes calling out his twitter account 

[steelo]

4 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

wym he also blamed social media which sounds like hes calling out his twitter account 

Fair and balanced media is in fact dead in the U.S. Try finding a news source that isn't biased towards one side or the other. Google has even been caught red-handed attempting to influence the 2020 election. Google has internal search algorithms to filter out any positive 'Trump' news.

[Zando_]

Just now, comander said:

Some flaws with this thinking:
1. Not everyone has to be converted. Only a small number of people need to be materially affected. 
2. A lot of statistical research doesn't handle outliers well - especially in the social sciences where most researchers are not THAT well versed in statistics. I don't know how robust most of the studies are. 

Violent games are a pretty low-risk activity as far as creating shooters goes. I'd be much, much quicker to blame the massive uptick in incredibly depressed and mentally fucked up kids backed by a generation that often mocks or dismisses them for having issues. 

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, comander said:

Some flaws with this thinking:
1. Not everyone has to be converted. Only a small number of people need to be materially affected. 
2. A lot of statistical research doesn't handle outliers well - especially in the social sciences where most researchers are not THAT well versed in statistics. I don't know how robust most of the studies are.

The studies on this are quite robust and pretty conclusive. There is no correlation. Shooters are found to play videogames because unfortunately they tend to be young people without a solid social sphere.

Just now, steelo said:

Again, both sides attempt to influence the weak minded and mentally ill and both parties are extremely toxic.

No, this "both sides" bullshit is just the excuse Trump uses to cover his ass. Politically motivated terror in the west in the past few years has been exclusively right wing. The democrats aren't great, but there really is no comparison - republicans are an order of magnitude worse. I defy you to find a single politically motivated leftist mass shooting in the west in the last decade. Or a leftist rally where a car charged into the crowd killing a person and injuring many others. I can easily provide examples of both on the right.

[adman29]

4 minutes ago, steelo said:

influence the weak minded and mentally ill

what exactly do you mean by this..?

[steelo]

Just now, Sauron said:

The studies on this are quite robust and pretty conclusive. There is no correlation. Shooters are found to play videogames because unfortunately they tend to be young people without a solid social sphere.

No, this "both sides" bullshit is just the excuse Trump uses to cover his ass. Politically motivated terror in the west in the past few years has been exclusively right wing. The democrats aren't great, but there really is no comparison - republicans are an order of magnitude worse. I defy you to find a single politically motivated leftist mass shooting in the west in the last decade. Or a leftist rally where a car charged into the crowd killing a person and injuring many others. I can easily provide examples of both on the right.

 

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

The studies on this are quite robust and pretty conclusive. There is no correlation. Shooters are found to play videogames because unfortunately they tend to be young people without a solid social sphere.

No, this "both sides" bullshit is just the excuse Trump uses to cover his ass. Politically motivated terror in the west in the past few years has been exclusively right wing. The democrats aren't great, but there really is no comparison - republicans are an order of magnitude worse. I defy you to find a single politically motivated leftist mass shooting in the west in the last decade. Or a leftist rally where a car charged into the crowd killing a person and injuring many others. I can easily provide examples of both on the right.

"cover his ass"

 

I mean, if you believe that any president is 100% responsible for every mass shooting under his or her watch then I don't know how to help you...

[steelo]

4 minutes ago, adman29 said:

what exactly do you mean by this..?

Both 'sides' do this.

 

For example, look at the leftists visiting college campuses attempting to convince 18-19 year olds how 'wonderful' socialism is (ask Venezuela how great it is). Antifa and White Supremacist groups often go after young adults who are easily influenced to join.

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, steelo said:

 

"cover his ass"

 

I mean, if you believe that any president is 100% responsible for every mass shooting under his or her watch then I don't know how to help you...

I never said that. He's "covering his ass" in the sense that he doesn't want people to see that it's his ideas that get people to do this sort of stuff. He is also personally responsible for making that sort of thinking more mainstream, but obviously not directly responsible for every single shooting.