Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RejZoR said: Performance is not linear, just like the prices aren't... That does not change the accuracy of the comparison. 1 hour ago, RejZoR said: % always sound so fancy but do you check your performance in % or FPS in games? I do not compare FPS of cards to each other unless it is the same game and the same settings. When you compare multiple games as an average you no longer get any more meaning out of FPS than you do percentages. 1 hour ago, RejZoR said: We're much closer with framerate than % numbers. People have better idea what they are dealing with than if you tell them %. Only for specific games and settings, not for comparisons between multiple games as averages when comparing cards to cards. I understand 15FPS is more meaningful when judging if a card is even worth buying or if the difference is 100 and 110 between two cards in one game, but those graphs are comparisons of multiple benchmarks for each resolution, Quoting an FPS number in that situation in some cases will be more deceptive because it could lead people to think that the average FPS listed for any given card will be what they expect in any given game. We both know that is not the case. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 3, 2019 So Super is the new way of saying TI got it... Bolivia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Origami Cactus said: Consoles are on AMD hardware, so all console ports will be AMD optimized. The PS5 and New XBOX are on Ryzen+Navi. The current PS4/pro and Xbox 1/x are also on AMD hardware. Why do people assume that PC versions will suddenly, magically, favor AMD hardware when that hasn't been the case for the past six years of AMD powered consoles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Derangel said: Why do people assume that PC versions will suddenly, magically, favor AMD hardware when that hasn't been the case for the past six years of AMD powered consoles? I don't even know why people assume games favor any hardware in any meaningful way. The last time I couldn't play a game at decent settings because I had the wrong brand GPU was BF1942 because my 3dfx didn't have T&L. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, mr moose said: I don't even know why people assume games favor any hardware in any meaningful way. The last time I couldn't play a game at decent settings because I had the wrong brand GPU was BF1942 because my 3dfx didn't have T&L. Coz they don't. I had bunch of Radeons and GeForces and never cared what game favors what. Games were always smooth enough I never even noticed that would matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 3, 2019 16 hours ago, RejZoR said: Percentage display is the dumbest thing possible. 9% sounds like a lot, but when you convert that to framerate it's a much different picture. People need to stop relying on this nonsense and compare actual framerate. And despite perfomance bumps, this is an incredibly boring launch. They just upped the HW like always. Not a single new software feature. Last meaningful one they released was Adaptive V-Sync/Fast V-Sync. And it has been years since then. The rest is utter useless ugly shit.They had so many chances to release new software too and they refused. First with RTX cards and now with Super. I guess NV CP, NVIDIA EXperience and everything around it will maybe get fixed and improved in 2034... If lucky. What? its facts Is it not? Same variables too What you want individual stats go find those but this is great for all around performance increase Id rather use these considering upgrade than searching each damn game and then seeing their variables 10% lift in a year is nice in my opinion considering its same line with More cores available Better control panel would be nice ill agree with that But we usually pay for performance numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 3, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 4:50 PM, VegetableStu said: FE pricing, although come to think of it I don't think I've seen an MSRP 2080ti that often...? o_o Yeah i paid £1400 at launch for mine, (Gigabyte Aorus Extreme OC) and the same model is now retailing for £1600. MSRP 2080Ti's are pretty close to a myth these days, though there where a fair few at launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 8 hours ago, pas008 said: What? its facts Is it not? Same variables too What you want individual stats go find those but this is great for all around performance increase Id rather use these considering upgrade than searching each damn game and then seeing their variables 10% lift in a year is nice in my opinion considering its same line with More cores available Better control panel would be nice ill agree with that But we usually pay for performance numbers So much talk and you all missing the point. Numbers are correct, it's just that they don't represent the results in meaningful way without having to dig into it with dedication. 60fps is smoother than 40fps. You know the exact baseline and upgrade. Saying RTX 2060 Super is 50% faster than RTX 2060 tells you what? Nothing if you don't have an idea how fast RTX 2060 was in the first place. And that's why I don't like % values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 I'm still sour about the naming scheme. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE 'TI' SCHEME, WHY START A NEW ONE? Dafuq Nvidia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, aliasdred said: I'm still sour about the naming scheme. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE 'TI' SCHEME, WHY START A NEW ONE? Dafuq Nvidia? they also do have "SE" (gtx560SE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, aliasdred said: I'm still sour about the naming scheme. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE 'TI' SCHEME, WHY START A NEW ONE? Dafuq Nvidia? Naming schemes are a horrible twisting inward spiral of death, If a company strays too farm from the current name they risk people thinking it a new product and riskier although possibly significantly better. However if they use the same name or continuation, then people think its the same product only a little better. It's all marketing headfuckery. https://hbr.org/2011/05/the-best-way-to-name-your-product-20 Basically we have consumer psychology to blame for this. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, aliasdred said: I'm still sour about the naming scheme. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE 'TI' SCHEME, WHY START A NEW ONE? Dafuq Nvidia? Not to mention the dafuck naming scheme of GTX 1660 which literally fits nowhere. And they already had GTX series without ray tracing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 15 hours ago, mr moose said: I don't even know why people assume games favor any hardware in any meaningful way. The last time I couldn't play a game at decent settings because I had the wrong brand GPU was BF1942 because my 3dfx didn't have T&L. there were some cases where it definitely mattered, the first week of the original tomb raider nvidia cards suffered to render the tress Fx hair, amd cards still struggle more than they should with hairworks, if you have a high end card you might not notice, but i did notice when using a mid range card, i had a 660 when tomb raider came out and at first i wasn't able to get good performance with hair on, after the update though it was fine, the same though can't be said for hairworks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 8:56 PM, VegetableStu said: 2080 ti already exists ._. But do we need 3 types of 2080s FNIGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 22 hours ago, mr moose said: I don't even know why people assume games favor any hardware in any meaningful way. The last time I couldn't play a game at decent settings because I had the wrong brand GPU was BF1942 because my 3dfx didn't have T&L. The only real time this might occur is when games use middleware created for and tested on NVidia hardware primarily (Gameworks), or integrate intel's "fast-math" libraries for code (I've never seen this personally). Games favoring certain GPUs or CPUs past that are likely just the hardware and not intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 14 hours ago, RejZoR said: So much talk and you all missing the point. Numbers are correct, it's just that they don't represent the results in meaningful way without having to dig into it with dedication. 60fps is smoother than 40fps. You know the exact baseline and upgrade. Saying RTX 2060 Super is 50% faster than RTX 2060 tells you what? Nothing if you don't have an idea how fast RTX 2060 was in the first place. And that's why I don't like % values. 50% faster is 50% faster They base that on the baseline of the card they compared too Logic? Math is hard? The question you are asking is does the consumer need it? That's their decision with their money Wtf did i just read wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, pas008 said: 50% faster is 50% faster They base that on the baseline of the card they compared too Logic? Math is hard? The question you are asking is does the consumer need it? That's their decision with their money Wtf did i just read wow 50% faster of what? Unless you know what kind of performance baseline has, it tells you absolutely nothing. Absolute framerate numbers on the other hand, you need to define them for baseline and for the new card. Then you can already see the difference with or without % number. 20fps more is 20fps more. Or do you all display your framerate in games using % somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, RejZoR said: 50% faster of what? Unless you know what kind of performance baseline has, it tells you absolutely nothing. Absolute framerate numbers on the other hand, you need to define them for baseline and for the new card. Then you can already see the difference with or without % number. 20fps more is 20fps more. Or do you all display your framerate in games using % somehow? Those stats are all around average Its great imo If You want single game numbers go to those pages Math and logic is hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 I bet you're one of those who buy things based on % discount and not actual end price too... coz math is hard or some shit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 52 minutes ago, RejZoR said: 50% faster of what? Unless you know what kind of performance baseline has, it tells you absolutely nothing. Absolute framerate numbers on the other hand, you need to define them for baseline and for the new card. Then you can already see the difference with or without % number. 20fps more is 20fps more. Or do you all display your framerate in games using % somehow? Average FPS is a pretty worthless statistic on its own and its even worse if you try to average out all the average FPS numbers from every test to try and come to some comparison conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 9 hours ago, cj09beira said: there were some cases where it definitely mattered, the first week of the original tomb raider nvidia cards suffered to render the tress Fx hair, amd cards still struggle more than they should with hairworks, if you have a high end card you might not notice, but i did notice when using a mid range card, i had a 660 when tomb raider came out and at first i wasn't able to get good performance with hair on, after the update though it was fine, the same though can't be said for hairworks Issues like that occur on both brands, when developers use gameworks it takes a little bit to optimise AMD drivers and vice versa, but we are still only talking weeks tops, and sometimes older Nvidia cards suffer because of new gameworks processes, which means it's not intentionally favored hardware. 2 hours ago, looterz said: The only real time this might occur is when games use middleware created for and tested on NVidia hardware primarily (Gameworks), or integrate intel's "fast-math" libraries for code (I've never seen this personally). Games favoring certain GPUs or CPUs past that are likely just the hardware and not intentional. It's quite common for new hardware or new games to have issues that need to be addressed or optimised, that fact it happens on GPU's is just because they are different not because a game or brand is intentionally favored. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, RejZoR said: I bet you're one of those who buy things based on % discount and not actual end price too... coz math is hard or some shit... Yeah don't quote for sneaky last word what does purchasing decision have to do with this but if you want to know I buy on many variables along with variables like: price to performance with budget or near that there is, looking at historic lows, total end price after cc cash back coupons shipping costs etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, pas008 said: what does purchasing decision have to do with this but if you want to know Percentages bad! Raw numbers good! Because I say so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, mr moose said: It's quite common for new hardware or new games to have issues that need to be addressed or optimised, that fact it happens on GPU's is just because they are different not because a game or brand is intentionally favored. That's definitely a thing, I was trying to address the common misconception that devs go out of their way to favor one vendor over another, in general, developers want their products to run the best it can on any hardware available. One of the best examples I have worked with related to what you mentioned is the AMD Bulldozer bugs related to audio, specifically with unreals audio subsystem killing the CPU performance. Still an issue to this day, despite several attempted fixes from Epic and AMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted July 5, 2019 I think we can all agree that the 2070 was never worth 500usd, so say 450, the 2060 super is 400usd and is slightly slower, i'd say it's fair pricing, not cheap, but this makes the original 2060 an even crappier deal at 350usd. The 2070 super almost reaches 1080 ti performance for 500usd and the 2080 super rumored to be 10-15% of the 2080 ti for 700usd. I'd look at especially the 2070 super if it's within budget. 5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc) 1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll 6950xt gaming x trio 325w 60C ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll 6x nf12/14 ippc fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll AW3423DW 9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io ll EVGA 30 non90 tie ftw3 1920//10000 0.85v 300w 71C ll 6x nf14 ippc 2000rpm ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll l sandisk 4tb sata ssd +4tb exssd backup ll 2x 500gb samsung 970 evo raid 0 llCorsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll w10p ll NEC PA241w ll pa32ucg-k prebuilt 5800 stock ll 2x8gb ddr4 cl17 3466 ll oem 3080 0.85v 1890//10000 290w 74C ll 27gl850b ll pa272w ll w11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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