Titan RTX leaked (By Linus?) - Updated with Pricing & Specs

[ZacoAttaco]

You could say, NVIDIA are Titans of Industry

[leadeater]

32 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Since as they're the same basic design as the rest of the RTX line, Gaming support will be a lot easier than with Volta

If it's going to use TU100 then I'm not sure of that, look at the Titan V and it's regular issues it has with games. It does really well in average FPS but it's lows and overall frame time stability is terrible, gaming experience is better on something else.

 

There will be those that buy it but I suspect with the refocus Nvidia looks to be having with the Titan I get the feeling they are trying to address a market I've mentioned before. Those academic and education users as well as professional users on lower budgets who aren't looking for mission critical stability etc putting GeForce cards in servers. The Quadro RTX 8000 is only the TU102 die and MSRP of $10k, none of these people are doing to buy it, not the ones without huge government contract money anyway. Not everyone is backed by the US DoE, CERN, China etc.

 

Titan V, and likely the Titan RTX, getting moved over to the professional branding and under a different support model allows Nvidia to up sell these users to actually better products but ones they can afford or justify the extra expense. If you have the option to buy a $1300 RTX 2080 Ti or a $3000 Titan RTX (TU100) the Titan RTX is vastly a better buy, way more memory bandwidth, more SMs so more CUDA cores & Tensor Cores & RT cores, form factor that works properly in servers (true dual slot). The $10k Quadro RTX 8000 simply is not up for consideration here.

[nick name]

$12 billion Canadian Geese Feet.  

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

is there a TU100 anything yet? o_o not sure what's in the Turing Tesla T4...

No idea, my gut feeling is if it's really that close to launch and people like Linus have the cards and there have been no rumors of TU100 die specs then there is still no TU100 die and the Titan RTX is TU102.

[Lathlaer]

Haha and to think that in various parts of internet I've been arguing with people who were genuinely convinced that because 2080ti costs over $1000 then it is the true Titan replacement and there won't be a new Titan.

 

10 minutes ago, leadeater said:

No idea, my gut feeling is if it's really that close to launch and people like Linus have the cards and there have been no rumors of TU100 die specs then there is still no TU100 die and the Titan RTX is TU102.

Gotta leave the place for Titan RTX(x) or however they will call the equivalent of Titan Xp

[Master Disaster]

There was NOTHING accidental about this, if it's true others are leaking this then it's probably some guerilla marketing campaign by Nvidia.

 

No way he grabbed that box accidentally, no way he'd even have that box anywhere near the camera unless he was given permission to do so.

[Quadriplegic]

Just buy it

[porina]

Since 20 series launch, I thought nvidia left the door open on a Titan card. Just look at the RTX 6000/8000 with 4608 cuda cores, compared to the 2080 Ti's 4352. Both are variations of TU102. Historically they have gone out with the Titan first, all cores blazing, and much later released the top end Ti with slightly fewer cores and a reduced price tag. All they're doing for whatever reason is changing the order a bit this time. So assuming they do similar to Pascal, the Turing Titan will be 4608 cores, 12GB ram.

[Lathlaer]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

So assuming they do similar to Pascal, the Turing Titan will be 4608 cores, 12GB ram.

If they were to really do it like Pascal then they would have to release a bigger-but-not-yet-full version of Titan and a year later another Titan (finally full core).

[Taf the Ghost]

20 minutes ago, leadeater said:

No idea, my gut feeling is if it's really that close to launch and people like Linus have the cards and there have been no rumors of TU100 die specs then there is still no TU100 die and the Titan RTX is TU102.

I might have forgotten my Nvidia naming schemes. Yeah, this should be the TU102 dies.

[porina]

3 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

If they were to really do it like Pascal then they would have to release a bigger-but-not-yet-full version of Titan and a year later another Titan (finally full core).

We already know the timing is different this time around, so I was just going with the Xp as comparison point.

[Spotty]

5 hours ago, leadeater said:

I'm willing to bet this Titan RTX has at least 2 SMs enabled, if not 4, or like the Titan V will use TU100 making it nothing at all like the 2080 Ti.

According to Techpowerup, it's using TU102-400A-A1. Same base clock as the RTX 2080 Ti, but higher boost clock. Same memory clocks. Better memory bus and bandwidth with 384bit vs 352bit. Higher shader count, higher tensor core count, higher RT cores, etc.

 

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The TITAN RTX will be a graphics card by NVIDIA. Built on the 12 nm process, and based on the TU102 graphics processor, in its TU102-400A-A1 variant, the card supports DirectX 12.0. The TU102 graphics processor is a large chip with a die area of 754 mm² and 18,600 million transistors. It features 4608 shading units, 288 texture mapping units and 96 ROPs. Also included are 576 tensor cores which help improve the speed of machine learning applications. NVIDIA has placed 12,288 MB GDDR6 memory on the card, which are connected using a 384-bit memory interface. The GPU is operating at a frequency of 1350 MHz, which can be boosted up to 1635 MHz, memory is running at 1750 MHz.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/titan-rtx.c3311

 

Worth noting that these are pre-release specifications, however, if review outlets already have units in hand, then it's probably safe to assume that the specifications listed are going to be fairly accurate.

[asus killer]

RTX Titan instructions:

 

1. put rtx 2080ti on sale on ebay

2. sell the other kidney to buy the titan

3. jump in joy (not so much because of the no kidney thing) that maybe you can no go up to 1440p, maybe

 

 

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, Spotty said:

According to Techpowerup, it's using TU102-400A-A1. Same base clock as the RTX 2080 Ti, but higher boost clock. Same memory clocks. Better memory bus and bandwidth with 384bit vs 352bit. Higher shader count, higher tensor core count, higher RT cores, etc.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/titan-rtx.c3311

 

Worth noting that these are pre-release specifications, however, if review outlets already have units in hand, then it's probably safe to assume that the specifications listed are going to be fairly accurate.

Pretty much a Quadro RTX 8000 with a quarter of the memory.

[Spotty]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Pretty much a Quadro RTX 8000 with a quarter of the memory.

Exactly. Has exactly the same specifications, with the exception of the core clocks - however the Titan RTX does have a higher TDP so essentially it's just an overclocked Quadro RTX 8000 with a bunch of memory missing. Though, if you need 48GB of VRAM, you're not going to be buying a Titan anyway.

[asus killer]

Tech Jesus said there was "room" for a Titan on the 2080ti before even the cards where for sale.

 

I get releasing in a year a Titan with some engineering done, but releasing it... what 2 months after the 2080ti, is just calling everybody that bought the 2080ti stupid. Getting 11% more performance in 2 months means they could have just released the damn thing by the 2080ti launch.

 

I get Nvidia had to do something, stocks are free falling and rtx is a shit show, but this will only hurt their image even further. Then again why should anyone buy this overpriced card when rtx is still not a thing. Pilling up on the craziness?

 

this looks like those i9 x299 desperate moves form Intel in response to ryzen, but without the competition, and that makes this ridiculous.

[Master Disaster]

15 minutes ago, asus killer said:

Tech Jesus said there was "room" for a Titan on the 2080ti before even the cards where for sale.

 

I get releasing in a year a Titan with some engineering done, but releasing it... what 2 months after the 2080ti, is just calling everybody that bought the 2080ti stupid. Getting 11% more performance in 2 months means they could have just released the damn thing by the 2080ti launch.

 

I get Nvidia had to do something, stocks are free falling and rtx is a shit show, but this will only hurt their image even further. Then again why should anyone buy this overpriced card when rtx is still not a thing. Pilling up on the craziness?

 

this looks like those i9 x299 desperate moves form Intel in response to ryzen, but without the competition, and that makes this ridiculous.

At this point Nvidia are competing against competition they created within their own product range.

 

Nobody with any common sense would buy an RTX over a 10 series, in standard games the performance doesn't anywhere near reflect the price and once RTX is enabled (as we've seen so far anyway) performance tanks to a stupid degree.

 

Nvidia are now making Pascal cards impossible to get hold of new so potential buyers have to buy RTX instead in an effort to make RTX look like more of a success than it really is.

 

Pushing the Titan this soon after launch reeks of a company who know they're down billions in development costs and know the current line up isn't compelling enough to make up that difference.

 

I agree that this move will only hurt their image more than help it.

[porina]

23 minutes ago, asus killer said:

I get releasing in a year a Titan with some engineering done, but releasing it... what 2 months after the 2080ti, is just calling everybody that bought the 2080ti stupid. Getting 11% more performance in 2 months means they could have just released the damn thing by the 2080ti launch.

The release pattern this time around is different from the past. I would speculate they may have prioritised the best GPUs for the Quadro RTX cards so shipped the cut down 2080 Ti to consumers instead. Now supply is stabilising somewhat they can go back to offer the Titan. I find the old delayed release of Ti more annoying.

 

23 minutes ago, asus killer said:

I get Nvidia had to do something, stocks are free falling and rtx is a shit show, but this will only hurt their image even further. Then again why should anyone buy this overpriced card when rtx is still not a thing. Pilling up on the craziness?

Even ignoring the "new" features that are not widely supported yet, it is still a fast card. If you need the fastest, this is for you.

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Nobody with any common sense would buy an RTX over a 10 series, in standard games the performance doesn't anywhere near reflect the price and once RTX is enabled (as we've seen so far anyway) performance tanks to a stupid degree.

This is on the assumption of pricing differences. There was no meaningful difference between 2070 and 1080 at the time I got a 2070. Also in compute uses the Turing cards seem to be both faster and more power efficient.

 

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Nvidia are now making Pascal cards impossible to get hold of new so potential buyers have to buy RTX instead in an effort to make RTX look like more of a success than it really is.

They would be absolutely stupid to keep making Pascal. It's end of life. You don't make the old model indefinitely unless you have nothing new to offer, like Polaris cards, or the never ending -lake CPUs from Intel.

 

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I agree that this move will only hurt their image more than help it.

I think this only might affect those who weren't buying into nvidia anyway, so doesn't really affect them. You could argue they're doing an Apple, get more out of existing customers, not so much seek new customers.

[pzspah]

8 hours ago, Spotty said:

RTX Titan

 

 

[Master Disaster]

53 minutes ago, porina said:

The release pattern this time around is different from the past. I would speculate they may have prioritised the best GPUs for the Quadro RTX cards so shipped the cut down 2080 Ti to consumers instead. Now supply is stabilising somewhat they can go back to offer the Titan. I find the old delayed release of Ti more annoying.

 

Even ignoring the "new" features that are not widely supported yet, it is still a fast card. If you need the fastest, this is for you.

This is on the assumption of pricing differences. There was no meaningful difference between 2070 and 1080 at the time I got a 2070. Also in compute uses the Turing cards seem to be both faster and more power efficient.

 

They would be absolutely stupid to keep making Pascal. It's end of life. You don't make the old model indefinitely unless you have nothing new to offer, like Polaris cards, or the never ending -lake CPUs from Intel.

 

I think this only might affect those who weren't buying into nvidia anyway, so doesn't really affect them. You could argue they're doing an Apple, get more out of existing customers, not so much seek new customers.

Kinda funny how 1080ti, 1080 & 1070 are all getting scarce now while 1060 and lower are still plentiful, especially considering 2060 and lower still aren't here yet.

 

I do see your point though, there's no reason to buy a 1080 when 2070 is around the same price & performance plus it does RTX as well. I don't ever remember Nvidia doing an upgrade cycle and the older gen cards disappearing so quickly from store shelves. I have to wonder if Nvidia are sitting on stock of Pascal to force users into buying Turing.

[Trik'Stari]

8 hours ago, Spotty said:

Considering the Titan V currently costs USD $3,000, it's more like that the Titan RTX will be $3,000 or higher.

 

Why not call it the Titan RMA

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Ray Tracing in action?

 

The future is now?....

[porina]

14 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Kinda funny how 1080ti, 1080 & 1070 are all getting scarce now while 1060 and lower are still plentiful, especially considering 2060 and lower still aren't here yet.

We don't know how many Pascal chips they have, and where in the product line. It may simply be they still have a surplus of 1060's so holding off the newer cards in that range while the old ones clear. Also from the other thread, where they blamed AMD shifting more 580s into that area than they expected, which is right where the 1060 sits. It was also long speculated that Turing was delayed while they shifted Pascal stock.

 

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I have to wonder if Nvidia are sitting on stock of Pascal to force users into buying Turing.

What reason would they have for holding back Pascal stock? That makes no sense to me as they don't gain anything until they are sold. So they either try to shift them, which is what I think they're doing, or they bin it and focus purely on Turing. The latter case would only work out if the loss from binning Pascal would be outweighed by selling more Turing, and even at Turing street pricing, I don't think that is the case.

[asus killer]

5 minutes ago, porina said:

We don't know how many Pascal chips they have

answer: too many. They said so themselves

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/crypto-mining-crash-leaves-nvidia-with-excess-inventory-of-pascal-cards/

 

pascal disappearing act is just another shitty move by Nvidia, probably prefer to just stick them in the back of the warehouse and selling them latter on as a rebadge card for China or something like that

[porina]

We know they have/had too many, but I really don't get this conspiracy plan of them holding onto Pascal. They don't get paid until they sell them. Day by day, they lose potential value. Warehouse space isn't free either. They either need to sell them soon or scrap them.

[Sauron]

9 hours ago, syn2112 said:

I think this has to be some kind of "advertising", what are the odds that there's an RTX Titan box laying around the WAN show set and Linus somehow picked it up without knowing

 

i mean it's possible it's just a mistake, but im skeptical 

I think it's more likely Linus did it for the lols