Mozilla funding ANTIFA?

[Fedaykyn]

10 minutes ago, Spenser1337 said:

https://steemit.com/news/@laststand/mozilla-donates-usd100k-to-riseup-antifa

 

https://riseuptimes.org/2017/09/03/chris-hedges-responds-to-criticism-of-antifa-column/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/01/responding-to-antifa-and-riseup-on-revolutionary-politics-and-non-violence/

 

 

Your first source also publishes "truther" stories about the LV shooting, thereby disqualifying itself.

The 2nd source cites RT, a proven Russian propaganda machine

Your tertiary source is actually a good source I can agree with to 100%.  Nowhere does it state that the entire Antifa movement is violent or that the movement itself is a terrorist organization, so I fail to see where it supports your opinion.

[Spenser1337]

6 minutes ago, Fedaykyn said:

That T word gets thrown around a lot of times these days on the western side of the big pond. Ones terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, yada yada and so on.

 

All I am trying to say here is that if we take a look at recent clashes of right and left extremists I could clearly differentiate between the people who carry guns and behave like a well organized paramilitary organization mainly consisting of white young to middle aged men and the other crowd which consists of peaceful protestants of all races and ages and some dipshits who dress in black and want to get all uppity with the cops and right wingers. Are they right to do that? Hello no. However when it comes to the left ,no matter where we are in the world authority is fearful. And rightfully so as the ideas are actual motors of progress and improvement of quality of life for everyone.

I'm not sure what that had to do with anything. I was just informing you that antifa is recognized as a terrorist organization by the government. You can rationalize it however you want, doesn't make a difference to me. 

[Spenser1337]

1 minute ago, Fedaykyn said:

Your first source also publishes "truther" stories about the LV shooting, thereby disqualifying itself.

The 2nd source cites RT, a proven Russian propaganda machine

Your tertiary source is actually a good source I can agree with to 100%.  Nowhere does it state that the entire Antifa movement is violent or that the movement itself is a terrorist organization, so I fail to see where it supports your opinion.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451098/antifa-terrorism-designation-not-accurate

 

http://www.newsweek.com/are-antifa-terrorists-658396

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/jackkerwick/2017/09/05/antifa-officially-an-antiamerican-terrorist-organization-n2377185

 

again, you can rationalize it however you like but antifa is recognized as a domestic terrorist organization 

[Brainless906]

People are aware that ANTIFA is an idea not a goddamn group right?

" The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)^[1] movement is a political movement of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist groups.^[2][3][4] The salient feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism by direct action The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)^[1] movement is a political movement of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist groups.^[2][3][4] The salient feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism by direct action "

Saying something like "ANTIFA ARE TERRORISTS" is just straight up ignorant. Any group that takes any action (violent or not) to oppose fascism can be considered ANTIFA

[Fedaykyn]

12 minutes ago, Brainless906 said:

People are aware that ANTIFA is an idea not a goddamn group right?

" The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)^[1] movement is a political movement of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist groups.^[2][3][4] The salient feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism by direct action The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)^[1] movement is a political movement of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist groups.^[2][3][4] The salient feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism by direct action "

Saying something like "ANTIFA ARE TERRORISTS" is just straight up ignorant. Any group that takes any action (violent or not) to oppose fascism can be considered ANTIFA

Thank you for pointing out in clear and factual manner what I am trying to say the entire time.

[matrix07012]

12 minutes ago, Brainless906 said:

People are aware that ANTIFA is an idea not a goddamn group right?

" The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)^[1] movement is a political movement of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist groups.^[2][3][4] The salient feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism by direct action The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)^[1] movement is a political movement of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist groups.^[2][3][4] The salient feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism by direct action "

Saying something like "ANTIFA ARE TERRORISTS" is just straight up ignorant.

"Antifa movements and Anti-Fascist Action networks are left wing, often anarchist, extra-parliamentary political movements who describe themselves as anti-fascist. Such movements have been active in several countries in the second half of the 20th and early 21st century."

 

"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, describes the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants." - Antifa fits this perfectly.

37 minutes ago, Fedaykyn said:

That T word gets thrown around a lot of times these days on the western side of the big pond. Ones terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, yada yada and so on.

 

All I am trying to say here is that if we take a look at recent clashes of right and left extremists I could clearly differentiate between the people who carry guns and behave like a well organized paramilitary organization mainly consisting of white young to middle aged men and the other crowd which consists of peaceful protestants of all races and ages and some dipshits who dress in black and want to get all uppity with the cops and right wingers. Are they right to do that? Hello no. However when it comes to the left ,no matter where we are in the world authority is fearful. And rightfully so as the ideas are actual motors of progress and improvement of quality of life for everyone.

All of them were peaceful until Antifa showed up.

[ravenshrike]

55 minutes ago, Fedaykyn said:

here is the project they are funding https://riseup.net/   not exactly ISIS right? 

They're literally funding secure means of communications for ancom/communist/socialist(The three primary groups composing Antifa in the US) revolutionaries. That's a bit of a problem and something many people would oppose.

 

4 hours ago, hey_yo_ said:

The "antifa movement" isn't particularly new nor it is exclusive to the left. The moniker "antifa" is basically any group of people who oppose fascism, whether it is real fascism or just perceived.

To be specific, Antifa started out in Europe as a 'grassroots' movement back in the 1930's and was composed almost entirely of communists. Flash forward to the 1980's and they wanted to get spur groups onto American soil but that whole communist link bit them in the ass. So instead they infiltrated the American punk scene by calling themselves Anti-Racist Action. Flash forward again to 2013 and since the Soviet Union had been dead for 22 years they apparently decided it was safe to rebrand themselfs back to Anti-Facist Action. However that was too long of a moniker and not cool enough so they shortened it to Antifa.

[WkdPaul]

Locked.

 

Obviously, this thread is going nowhere.

[ChalkChalkson]

This "news" broke last week, but I couldn't find a post regarding this here on the forum, please tell me if the post is redundant, I'll take it down

 

Mozillas Moss foundation awarded 100.000$ to RiseUp.net a company

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providing communication and computer resources to allies engaged in struggles against capitalism and other forms of oppression

 mostly in the form of secure E-Mail and VPN. This service is used (probably among others) by the AntiFa (Anti Fascists) worldwide.  In the US AtniFa groups (they don't seem really organised, mostly local  groups as far as I can tell) are classified as a domestic terrorist group.

 

The earliest source I could track down for this is Brian Lunduke video, but it is since been picked up by major news organisation eg this article on FoxNews who did not only not add anything, but also left out the proclamation against capitalism by RiseUp (And their article broke my LaTeX plugin). 

 

 

I could not find a response by Mozilla, which might be because no one apart from Foxnews and a ~38K Youtuber seem to have broken the story.

 

If you are wondering if this might be just the paranoia of given news outlets, here are relevant links to the organisations involved:

Mozilla :

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$100,000 to RiseUp, a coordination platform used by activists across the political spectrum, to improve the security of their email service

 

RiseUp:

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We do this by providing communication and computer resources to allies engaged in struggles against capitalism and other forms of oppression.

A bunch of AntiFa groups using riseup email (sorry for the German ones, google knows where I live and filters accordingly, 1&2 GER, 3 UK, 4&5 US) 1 2 3 4 5

 

RiseUp seems to be known in the world of criminal investigation. According to Netzpolitik a spanish judge considered the usage of RiseUp to be an indication towards affiliation with left extremist groups.

In 2012 the FBI seized RiseUp servers in an investiagtion regarding anonymous bomb threats against Pitsburg University. first English source I could find

[Jade]

Riseup isn't that much different from Protonmail, but yeah, sure.

[captain_to_fire]

I’m pretty sure this topic has been posted before either last week or two weeks ago which ended up getting locked by a mod.

[Dylanc1500]

@GoodBytes this is a repost isn't it? On mobile so I can't link it.

[ChalkChalkson]

7 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Does not fit Tech News format.

 

You need a quote box with a quote from the article or source. 

I also can't tell which of your paragraphs are from your personal thoughts or the article. 

Will get on that immediately, though the quotationmarks might be enough in this case

[ARikozuM]

Just now, ChalkChalkson said:

Will get on that immediately, though the quotationmarks might be enough in this case

You need to use the quote box for the article's passages that you're going to draw your personal thoughts from. 

[PlayStation 2]

Can't say I'm surprised.

AN-TEEFAH

[ChalkChalkson]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

You need to use the quote box for the article's passages that you're going to draw your personal thoughts from. 

Earliest source is a video that is just meandering for like 20 minutes, and as I said the FoxNews article doesn't really talk about the interesting bit. So I just quoted a lot of primary sources

[ChalkChalkson]

8 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

 

Unfortunately quoting a video isn't really possible, especially a 20min video that is not really saying anything that can't be said in 1 or 2 sentences. And the article doesn't really touch the interesting bit, so I just quoted the primary sources both outlets seem to have used. I hope this is sufficient, otherwise yeah, move it where ever it fits, thanks for your management!

 

 

If someone finds a proper article, please link it, so I can insert a proper quote

[Sniperfox47]

This was already posted. Also it's based on one guy who read one page that said that some members of some random antifa group use the service. I love Brian Lunduke but he "gets passionate" (read as jumps the gun) sometimes.

 

And that's not even to mention that just because some sects of antifa are terroristic, doesn't mean all anti-facists are terroristic. There are a lot of groups that identify as "antifa" despite not being attached in any way to the "terrorist group".

 

This is non-news. There's nothing to see here, move along.

[ChalkChalkson]

Just now, Sniperfox47 said:

This was already posted.

Going to read that one then remove this post, thanks!

 

Just now, Sniperfox47 said:

Also it's based on one guy who read one page that said that some members of some random antifa group use the service. I love Brian Lunduke but he "gets passionate" (read as jumps the gun) sometimes.

Yeah, I agree Brian Lunduke isn't really a good source, but you can't really get around quotes like "struggle against capitalism" and not wonder if this organisation might be scetchy. In a some (western) countries quotes like that can get a party banned.

 

Just now, Sniperfox47 said:

And that's not even to mention that just because some sects of antifa are terroristic, doesn't mean all anti-facists are terroristic. There are a lot of groups that identify as "antifa" despite not being attached in any way to the "terrorist group".

 

This is non-news. There's nothing to see here, move along.

Well, yeah, there are non violent AntiFa groups, but in my home town for example the antifa is know to get out every 1. of May to specifically engage in violence against members of right politic parties (note that one of the German parties often being called fascist is quite close to the republican party on the political spectrum, if quote needed here I'll look one up)

[GoodBytes]

6 minutes ago, ChalkChalkson said:

Unfortunately quoting a video isn't really possible, especially a 20min video that is not really saying anything that can't be said in 1 or 2 sentences. And the article doesn't really touch the interesting bit, so I just quoted the primary sources both outlets seem to have used. I hope this is sufficient, otherwise yeah, move it where ever it fits, thanks for your management!

 

 

If someone finds a proper article, please link it, so I can insert a proper quote

The updated post now meets the guidelines. it is acceptable. A video source can fall into an exception. Thanks for updating your thread.

But, sadly, yes, already posted news So I can't move back as a result. We like to keep 1 thread per news for everything. All i can is merge.

 

Sucks, but it is the case. I think many people can agree that such situation even happen to me, where I do a full detail thread, and I am minutes late, or the news was already posted and didn't use the best search terms to find it before posting.

[ChalkChalkson]

8 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The updated post now meets the guidelines. it is acceptable. A video source can fall into an exception. Thanks for updating your thread.

But, sadly, yes, already posted news So I can't move back as a result. We like to keep 1 thread news for everything. All i can is merge.

Sucks, but it is the case. I think many people can agree that such situation even happen to me, where I do a full detail thread, and I am minutes late, or the news was already posted and didn't use the best search terms to find it before posting.

Yeah, please merge, I enjoy a greater unified discussion much more. Since the news is relatively old, I am pretty sure my searching skills are at fault. 

Well and maybe that the title of the original post might be a little click baity...

Just found that the original topic is indeed locked and doesn't really hold the relevant information directly, so if you merge @GoodBytes, could you reopen that other thread?

[GoodBytes]

Merged thread as per request.