General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

if i bought one of these, would i get banned from the thread?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/X99-Desktop-Motherboard-LGA2011-V3-SATA-M-2-SSD-Support-DDR4-ECC-REG-Memory-NEW/254400344965?hash=item3b3b713385:g:epYAAOSwEX1dt439

No, but you wouldn't be having that much fun either 

AFAIK those chinesium boards are reeeeeally jank and kinda X99 but kinda not. 

 

 

[Muhammad Osama]

Hey guyz

Sorry for my bad english

 

Since my x5670 is not a good overclocker... I tried everything beleive me.. but it doesn't wanna go above 4.1ghz .. now my friend has w3690 and he is fine if will exchange my x5670 with his w3690.. now i wanna know that are w3690 better bin? According to my knowledge they are unlocked chips they have higher chances to hit 4.5ghz .. but i wanted to make sure that.. 

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, Muhammad Osama said:

Hey guyz

Sorry for my bad english

 

Since my x5670 is not a good overclocker... I tried everything beleive me.. but it doesn't wanna go above 4.1ghz .. now my friend has w3690 and he is fine if will exchange my x5670 with his w3690.. now i wanna know that are w3690 better bin? According to my knowledge they are unlocked chips they have higher chances to hit 4.5ghz .. but i wanted to make sure that.. 

Specs wise it's one of the best: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/52586/intel-xeon-processor-w3690-12m-cache-3-46-ghz-6-40-gt-s-intel-qpi.html

 

Basically an X5690 (the best in socket chip), but Gulftown so motherboards that hate Westmere-EP will still work with it.

[Muhammad Osama]

On 11/5/2019 at 6:49 PM, Zando Bob said:

Specs wise it's one of the best: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/52586/intel-xeon-processor-w3690-12m-cache-3-46-ghz-6-40-gt-s-intel-qpi.html

 

Basically an X5690 (the best in socket chip), but Gulftown so motherboards that hate Westmere-EP will still work with it.

My mobo is asus p6t non SE.. I also wanted to say that i have some cooling limitations too.. i found 1.4v to be the end spot for my cooling.. otherwise it will throttle.. are these w36xx run hotter then x56xx chips at same voltages?

[Zando_]

8 hours ago, Muhammad Osama said:

My mobo is asus p6t non SE.. I also wanted to say that i have some cooling limitations too.. i found 1.4v to be the end spot for my cooling.. otherwise it will throttle.. are these w36xx run hotter then x56xx chips at same voltages?

Shouldn't, they're 32nm chips. IIRC the same chips as the X56xx ones but with only a single QPI link (no dual CPU support). 1.4v on anything generally gets pretty toasty, what cooler are you running again? I managed to keep a 45nm i7 950 kinda under control at 1.43v or so with just a Gammax 400, but I had two 2000rpm NF-F12s at 100% sandwiching that cooler and it was still hitting the low 90s in stress tests, mid 80s in normal use. 

[snorlaxgangs]

I recently bought some cheap Gskill sniper and ripjaws 2400MHz Cas11. I reduce the timing a bit and Prime95 blend test 4 hours @150bclk and 4 hours @200bclk, Uncore:3600,QPI:3600, seem stable but i decided to go with 150bclk. For some reason, O.C bclk to 200 make my wireless mouse stuttering ( appreciate any help on this problem). 

Anyway,there are a few things i wanna ask:

First, i have no idea about ram timing. XMP show cas 10-12-12-29-2N show i just went with it. Pls give me some tips.

Second, does anyone know what's the safe uncore voltage for R2E? I tried 2666MHz and and the lowest Uncore frequency i can pick is 4GHz 1.4V, the motherboard turned on & off by itself twice then finally boot to window. Is it ok that every time i reset, the mb will turn on & off twice like a fail overclock but then 3rd it will run just fine and boot to window without any problem. I didn't wanna risk it so i went back to 2400MHz afterward. 

 

[Muhammad Osama]

14 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Shouldn't, they're 32nm chips. IIRC the same chips as the X56xx ones but with only a single QPI link (no dual CPU support). 1.4v on anything generally gets pretty toasty, what cooler are you running again? I managed to keep a 45nm i7 950 kinda under control at 1.43v or so with just a Gammax 400, but I had two 2000rpm NF-F12s at 100% sandwiching that cooler and it was still hitting the low 90s in stress tests, mid 80s in normal use. 

I have cooler master masterair ma410p with 2 fans.. but i will upgrade my cooler to cooler master masterair ma620p which is a pretty good cooler

[amdorintel]

whats the x58 xeons X56xx equate to with other cpus?

[Slayer3032]

17 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

whats the x58 xeons X56xx equate to with other cpus?

Gulftown, i7 970/980/980x and 990x.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/29886/gulftown.html

 

[GrockleTD]

im about to give up and get a chinesium board. which one is the least bad?

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

im about to give up and get a chinesium board. which one is the least bad?

Buying my SuperMicro ATX board with a quad or hexacore Xeon, 24GB ECC-Reg RAM in triple channel (3x8GB) and a 2U server cooler off me assuming boot testing goes well? Planning to downsize the great majority of my stuff to mATX or below, so my bigger boards gotta go. 

[GrockleTD]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Buying my SuperMicro ATX board with a quad or hexacore Xeon, 24GB ECC RAM in triple channel (3x8GB) and a 2U server cooler off me assuming boot testing goes well? Planning to downsize the great majority of my stuff to mATX or below, so my bigger boards gotta go. 

Oh! how much you thinking?

[Zando_]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

Oh! how much you thinking?

Not much tbh, it's been just sitting in a box for over a year now, RAM I accidentally bought 6 months or so ago (ECC-Reg won't work without a Xeon and a 5520 board). Assuming it boots up fine, I'd mostly ask shipping + like... $30 for the package? Not really out to make a profit lol, if I need to get mons I'll list my bigger EVGA boards (if I can convince myself to sell them) for a good bit. How many PCIe slots did you need though? I forget how many this board has, it may only be one and then the rest are PCI, will check as soon as I get home tonight. 

[GrockleTD]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Not much tbh, it's been just sitting in a box for over a year now, RAM I accidentally bought 6 months or so ago (ECC-Reg won't work without a Xeon and a 5520 board). Assuming it boots up fine, I'd mostly ask shipping + like... $30 for the package? Not really out to make a profit lol, if I need to get mons I'll list my bigger EVGA boards (if I can convince myself to sell them) for a good bit. How many PCIe slots did you need though? I forget how many this board has, it may only be one and then the rest are PCI, will check as soon as I get home tonight. 

3 or 4 would be great, but 2 is plenty for a low price (1 also works)

[Zando_]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

3 or 4 would be great, but 2 is plenty for a low price (1 also works)

It might have 3, but I didn't look closely at it, had it out this weekend just to pull the W3670 that was in there to see if it was a better bin than my X5670 (wasn't really, either I've lost my touch or my Classy/RAM is being funky). As for CPUs I could put in it, I could put in my X5670 since it'll just be running stock. Runs at a lower voltage than the W3670 too IIRC, so it should be cooler. Like I said, will pull it out and put in a CPU then get into Windows and run Prime95 Blend or Realbench overnight to make sure everything is rock solid stable. Hoping it has more than one PCIe slot, the only other boards I have are Classifieds, cheapest one of those cost me $95, but also needs hardware mods to run any hexacore other than the i7-900 series ones and the W3690, aaand won't run ECC-Reg because it's X58 and not 5520. 

[Windows7ge]

I wanted to wait for 30 days but the power went out and it's not on a UPS .

 

So normally when people want to validate an O.C. for long term stability I'd say the most popular time I hear is 24hrs. Rarely but occasionally I'll hear 48 hours, 96hrs or even a full week.

 

Well, for my 4.5GHz O.C. is ~27 day strait 24/7 at ~90% load without a kernel panic considered stable?

 

Unrelated but related who wants to know the secret to achieving overclocked full load temps like these?

[Crunchy Dragon]

4 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

who wants to know the secret to achieving overclocked full load temps like these?

I would hazard a guess at a literal jet engine.

[Windows7ge]

13 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I would hazard a guess at a literal jet engine.

Good guess but no, it's so simple it's stupid. It's not even funny.

 

Like seriously it's not funny it's that stupid.

 

Grab a coat. We're dropping the ambient.

[GloriousPain]

You know this seems like the perfect place to ask...

 

But I currently have a i7-5820k in my main system on an X99A SLI PLUS from MSI... But with current workings of the pc market I'm debating trying to get a decent b450 board (like one of MSI max's) and a good deal on a r5 3600 or r7 2700 (especially with blackfriday/cybermonday coming up)... anyone got opinions on that change and if they do; what do they think I should do with my current board/chip? should I sell one or both? I have no use for another system at the moment. I'm debating what I should do?

 

I'm kinda leaning towards the upgrade but I can't really figure out how much of an upgrade it'd be not many compare 5820k to Ryzen... those that do compare it to the 1600 not the 2700 or 3600. 

 

Like I know I'd be giving up on alot of my current expansion pcie/ram wise... but I'd be gaining upgrade potential(whether immediately upon release or years afterward on the used market) to Ryzen 4000 like a Ryzen 9 4950x but I do currently have xeon e5 v4 or 6950x upgrade potential and lots of PCIe lanes... 

[Zando_]

26 minutes ago, GloriousPain said:

You know this seems like the perfect place to ask...

 

But I currently have a i7-5820k in my main system on an X99A SLI PLUS from MSI... But with current workings of the pc market I'm debating trying to get a decent b450 board (like one of MSI max's) and a good deal on a r5 3600 or r7 2700 (especially with blackfriday/cybermonday coming up)... anyone got opinions on that change and if they do; what do they think I should do with my current board/chip? should I sell one or both? I have no use for another system at the moment. I'm debating what I should do?

 

I'm kinda leaning towards the upgrade but I can't really figure out how much of an upgrade it'd be not many compare 5820k to Ryzen... those that do compare it to the 1600 not the 2700 or 3600. 

 

Like I know I'd be giving up on alot of my current expansion pcie/ram wise... but I'd be gaining upgrade potential(whether immediately upon release or years afterward on the used market) to Ryzen 4000 like a Ryzen 9 4950x but I do currently have xeon e5 v4 or 6950x upgrade potential and lots of PCIe lanes... 

I pull around the same fps in Destiny 2 (the game I play the most) with a 4.2-4.5Ghz 5820K or 5960X as I did with my R7 2700X. Ryzen 2000 series single core is about on par with similarly clocked LGA2011 and LGA2011-3 CPUs like the 1680 v2, 5820K, 5960X, etc. Given core counts are similar, there's not much of a performance difference. R5 3600 would be a solid upgrade for very single core bound, CPU intensive games or playing at refresh rates higher than 100Hz, it's about on par with an 8700K. For anything below 100Hz you won't really notice a difference vs a 5820K at 4.2-4.5Ghz, and you lose a few PCIe lanes too. I believe Ryzen has 24 PCIe lanes/20 usable, and X99 has 28 PCIe lanes/24 usable for the 5820K and the lowest level 6000 chip I forgot the name of, and 40 PCIe lanes/36 usable for the rest (4 PCIe lanes go to the chipset).

[Zando_]

@GrockleTD well both good and bad news. Board boots fine, but it is an X58 board, not 5520 like I thought it was, can only use ECC non-reg and normal DDR3. If you already had RAM then that's not much of an issue, I just can't throw in the ECC I do have.

Most pics are with the ECC because I took them before boot testing, here's one of it running with the 3x1GB Corsair sticks I scrounged up to test it with (I should have 3 more somewhere if you can make do with 6GB RAM, IDK what you're doing with the rig):

 

Boots to BIOS:

 

And Windows, ran Prime95 SmallFFT for just a minute or two, had it sitting on my mousepad and didn't want the back of the board heating up a ton:

 

CPU itself:

 

Better shot of the board, has 2 PCIe slots, does support SLI too lol:

 

And copper core/heatpiped 2U cooler:

 

[GloriousPain]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I pull around the same fps in Destiny 2 (the game I play the most) with a 4.2-4.5Ghz 5820K or 5960X as I did with my R7 2700X. Ryzen 2000 series single core is about on par with similarly clocked LGA2011 and LGA2011-3 CPUs like the 1680 v2, 5820K, 5960X, etc. Given core counts are similar, there's not much of a performance difference. R5 3600 would be a solid upgrade for very single core bound, CPU intensive games or playing at refresh rates higher than 100Hz, it's about on par with an 8700K. For anything below 100Hz you won't really notice a difference vs a 5820K at 4.2-4.5Ghz, and you lose a few PCIe lanes too. I believe Ryzen has 24 PCIe lanes/20 usable, and X99 has 28 PCIe lanes/24 usable for the 5820K and the lowest level 6000 chip I forgot the name of, and 40 PCIe lanes/36 usable for the rest (4 PCIe lanes go to the chipset).

Unfortunately I got pretty unlucky with my 5820k, which doesn't like to do above 4.1 Ghz without more than 1.35v in recent years (when it was newer I could do 4.3 at 1.35 but eventually had instability) 

 

Yeah I figure that Zen/Zen+ were about on par ipc wise with Haswell/Broadwell (E) like I mentioned part of the reason to upgrade would be for more 2 extra cores and upgradability to Zen 2/3 down the line (as I sometimes do virtualization stuff, as well as stream/record and render videos) I also do play at 144hz 1440p but esports titles primarily as I'm a pretty competitive person having been Diamond+ in League of Legends, Overwatch, and H1Z1 (back when that was a thing) 

 

but I don't use many pcie lanes... just 16 for a gpu and 4 for an nvme drive should be all I need. 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, GloriousPain said:

Unfortunately I got pretty unlucky with my 5820k, which doesn't like to do above 4.1 Ghz without more than 1.35v in recent years (when it was newer I could do 4.3 at 1.35 but eventually had instability) 

 

Yeah I figure that Zen/Zen+ were about on par ipc wise with Haswell/Broadwell (E) like I mentioned part of the reason to upgrade would be for more 2 extra cores and upgradability to Zen 2/3 down the line (as I sometimes do virtualization stuff, as well as stream/record and render videos) I also do play at 144hz 1440p but esports titles primarily as I'm a pretty competitive person having been Diamond+ in League of Legends, Overwatch, and H1Z1 (back when that was a thing) 

 

but I don't use many pcie lanes... just 16 for a gpu and 4 for an nvme drive should be all I need. 

Ooooof yeah, my 5820K sits at about 1.2v for 4.2Ghz, does 4.5 at 1.32v. Must've really missed out on the silicon lottery with yours .

I haven't really noticed a difference in gaming between my 5820K and 5960X, both running a 75Hz 1080p ultrawide and 144Hz 1080p panel (they won't push the full 144hz in Destiny 2 and some other demanding titles though, more around 110-120/130). Once you add in the other stuff you do though, you will actually take advantage of the extra cores for more than just the prettier number, lol. Is a 3700X too much of a stretch? Would be pretty much perfect for what you're doing.

[GloriousPain]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Ooooof yeah, my 5820K sits at about 1.2v for 4.2Ghz, does 4.5 at 1.32v. Must've really missed out on the silicon lottery with yours .

I haven't really noticed a difference in gaming between my 5820K and 5960X, both running a 75Hz 1080p ultrawide and 144Hz 1080p panel (they won't push the full 144hz in Destiny 2 and some other demanding titles though, more around 110-120/130). Once you add in the other stuff you do though, you will actually take advantage of the extra cores for more than just the prettier number, lol. Is a 3700X too much of a stretch? Would be pretty much perfect for what you're doing.

Yeah it used to do a lot better; but I had some complications a few years back and wound up moving a lot and for a short while I lived in a location with a very poor power situation and ever since then it's had issues. I originally was able to get 4.1 for like 1.2ishV (forget exact number) but then a brown out caused instability and it's been much worse since then... and unfortunately intel isn't so friendly since it still works and if I mention the OC I know they'd just blow it off. I did get my powersupply fully replaced by corsair after ward though but sadly that didn't fix my clocks (but was nice of them and did give me extra confidence in my psu) 

 

Yeah 3700x would be a slight stretch for me monetarily at the moment given I'd have to also buy the motherboard at the same time and likely a new cooler unless I could get corsair to ship me a new AM4 bracket for my old h105. The sales on the 2700 are whats making me consider jumping aboard to upgrade later, which is actually why I even got my 5820k originally; a best buy near my home at the time was closing down shop and had killer sales tbh... so I got it for basically the price of a 6700k and the motherboard for a very similar price to a Z170 board. The quad channel ram was really my only upcharge between the two because the best buy store didn't have any of the skylake stuff I couldn't get those on deal. I was just thinking "if this lasts me a while I'll have killer upgrade potential with all the pcie lanes and with e5v4 xeons later down the line" now I feel almost as if the Ryzen 7/9 line ups and my lack of pcie usage almost invalidates that original game plan; and it still has upgrade potential since amd recently even announced ZEN 3 to still work on AM4.  Currently I can only go from 5820k to e5v4 or 6950x but with a B450 I could still go with even a theoretical Ryzen 9 4950x... 

 

So I'm sitting here unsure what to do... side grade to Ryzen 1/2000 and go with a later huge upgrade to ryzen 3/4000 or just wait for Xeon e5 v4 prices to drop the way v2/3s and x58 xeons have... but that (the xeon route) only really would help my productivity and not my fps.  Plus by the time those prices drop my 5820k's worth will also drop. Right now it'd almost just be the price the board to get the 2700 (or anything below that in the ryzen family) because my 5820k alone would nearly sell for the price of it (according to my searches 5820ks are selling for around $125 meanwhile new 2700s are $160)... and I could even sit on my x99 board to buy a used xeon later to turn it into a NAS/Server or other productivity machine because as x58/x79 have shown boards are what become scarce. Or sell it to basically pay off the new b450 board.

 

TLDR: Ryzen really has shaken up my gameplan and the markets in a weird way for me.

[Crunchy Dragon]

42 minutes ago, GloriousPain said:

So I'm sitting here unsure what to do... side grade to Ryzen 1/2000 and go with a later huge upgrade to ryzen 3/4000 or just wait for Xeon e5 v4 prices to drop the way v2/3s and x58 xeons have...

Personally, I wouldn't sidegrade to Zen 1/Zen+. Just save up the cash and jump straight to Zen 2, it'll be more worth it.

 

Unless you're skeptical of being able to afford that in the future, at which point the sidegrade to Zen1/Zen+ would act as a foot in the door purchase.