General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[the pudding]

10 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

something like this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-S5520HC-5500-Chipset-Dual-Socket-LGA1366-ATX-Server-Motherboard-I-O-shie/123624416545?epid=74111538&hash=item1cc896e521:g:K6YAAOSwlzZbKooP

they're not the cheapest but the supermicro X8DTH boards have 7 pcie slots and could fit 4 dual slot cards but you'd possibly burn out your 24 pin if you had 4 gpus on it at full load for a long time, but these boards really aren't that cheap 

 

edit, found one cheap on the ebay us site: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-Extended-ATX-Server-Motherboard-X8DTH-iF-REV-2-01-2-x-LGA-1366/223690574711?hash=item3414ff4b77:g:4XkAAOSwfOBdlRp4

[Ground]

@kaibsora I had the msi x58-Pro as my first x58 board and can confirm westmere xeons work just fine in it. I would recommend throwing a fan on the nb heatsink though. It is a bit buggy with the x56xx xeons in the way that the uncore multiplier can‘t go below 20x (so at 200 bclk you would run 4 ghz uncore whch many chips can‘t do reliably), so if you get one either get an E5649 (I ran mine at 225x19 on that board since it doesn‘t have the issue) or an x5670 or better.

 

yesterday fixed a couple boards, so my current collection of x58 boards contains:

R2E (repaired, currently only 13 out of 16 phases working. Can probably get 15 working again)

R3E (repaired, currently 5 out of 8 phases working. Can probably get 6 working)

x58a-gd65 (repaired-ish, currently 3 out of 8 phases working. Going to epower this board since I can‘t see myself reasonably fixing it properly)

x58a-oc (fully working)

x58a-oc (dead, unknown reason. Hope to fix it)

Foxconn Bloodrage (PCIe modded, fully working)

 

I‘ve also had, but sold:

P6T Deluxe (dead, never got it working)

x58a-oc (fully working)

x58a-ud7 (bought dead with vrm blown up, fixed to full working order)

x58 Pro-E (fully working)

EX58-ud3r (bought as dead, only needed bios update, fully working)

 

still have a couple boards I really wanna buy at some point but most are too rare or expensive for me. In particular R3F, R3BE, Evga Classified 3 way, msi big bang. 

[Zando_]

12 minutes ago, the pudding said:

they're not the cheapest but the supermicro X8DTH boards have 7 pcie slots and could fit 4 dual slot cards but you'd possibly burn out your 24 pin if you had 4 gpus on it at full load for a long time, but these boards really aren't that cheap 

 

edit, found one cheap on the ebay us site: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-Extended-ATX-Server-Motherboard-X8DTH-iF-REV-2-01-2-x-LGA-1366/223690574711?hash=item3414ff4b77:g:4XkAAOSwfOBdlRp4

I linked the same one but $85, lol. Tis a good point on the GPUs though, and I can't see anything for supplemental power. My EVGA boards have a molex connector (or a 6 pin on my X99 stuff) for additional power to the PCIe slots when running multiple GPUs. 

[the pudding]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I linked the same one but $85, lol. Tis a good point on the GPUs though, and I can't see anything for supplemental power. My EVGA boards have a molex connector (or a 6 pin on my X99 stuff) for additional power to the PCIe slots when running multiple GPUs. 

ahh i missed that, but yeah supplimental power might be a bit of a problem if it were gpus he wanted to run, i blew out the 24 pin on my old psu with one of these boards running 3 R9 290s 

[Zando_]

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[UrbanFreestyle]

20 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

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[snorlaxgangs]

I had some free time this weekend so i decided to optimize my cpu temperature. All i did was sanding the IHS ~0.02mm thinner and lapping both the ihs and the ek block. I also removed the bracket for no reason. Then dropped the IHS, no adhesive, applied Conductonaut LM on cpu,ihs etc...Room temperature was 20*C. Anyway, is this temperature considered good? IIRC max load was 70*C before.

 

WC system: EK copper block, Koolance mobo block, Feser TFC xchange 480, D5. 

Link for all the screenshot n other details

https://imgur.com/gallery/RMArGjD

 

Btw, my chip is bad, can't benchmark anything above 4.6GHz with HT on without dumping a lot of Vcore.

[the pudding]

1 hour ago, snorlaxgangs said:

I had some free time this weekend so i decided to optimize my cpu temperature. All i did was sanding the IHS ~0.02mm thinner and lapping both the ihs and the ek block. I also removed the bracket for no reason. Then dropped the IHS, no adhesive, applied Conductonaut LM on cpu,ihs etc...Room temperature was 20*C. Anyway, is this temperature considered good? IIRC max load was 70*C before.

 

Btw, my chip is bad, can't benchmark anything above 4.6GHz with HT on without dumping a lot of Vcore.

yeah you really don't need to take much off of an IHS to make it perform better tbh, about a thou as you've done there is plenty enough, it's more just making it flat really that makes the difference 

 

most chips tend to top out around there, my X5670 does 4.5GHz 1.35v (it used to do 1.32v but i have degraded it a little), needs 1.42v for 4.6GHZ and 4.7GHz is getting into the 1.48v range, 4.8GHz needs 1.52v and that's as high as i've gone 

[Muhammad Osama]

Can someone tell me what the hell is wrong with my x58 system? I have an x5670 overclock to 4.2ghz at 1.375v and uclk at 3.4 ghz.. 8 gb r at 2000mhz.. i don't know what is wrong with my pc.. like when it post it runs rock solid .. but it sometime refuse to post and then i restart my pc.. and thank god that asus p6t reset all the settings of my bios.. and then i set the settings again and it boots again.. what is it? I can't tell what i m doing wrong

[Slayer3032]

Is your CMOS battery dying? My P6T sat for a few years before I got it and it was dead. I went through and threw a few bucks at all my computers to get new batteries, it happens from time to time.

[snorlaxgangs]

Maybe save some O.C profile so u don't have to setup your bios again. 

[GillyMoMo]

On 10/19/2019 at 10:39 PM, GrockleTD said:

do dual socket 1366 boards with say... 4 PCIE slots exist?

The Tyan S7205 it's a server board. I have one of these. Problem is this board is still pricey for as old as it is. This has what you are looking for though. Come to think about it it has 4 16x slots and more.

[GillyMoMo]

Hey don't discount the Xeons that can clock too. 1650v3, 1660v3, 1680v3 and 1690v3 (good luck trying to get that one though). I have two 1660v3 and a 5820K. Love my X99 builds. Can't justify upgrades to the next platform just yet. 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, GillyMoMo said:

Hey don't discount the Xeons that can clock too. 1650v3, 1660v3, 1680v3 and 1690v3 (good luck trying to get that one though). I have two 1660v3 and a 5820K. Love my X99 builds. Can't justify upgrades to the next platform just yet. 

Do all the v3 1600 series Xeons OC properly? I've seen some say they did, and others say only certain steppings have unlocked multis. 

[Muhammad Osama]

Sorry for my bad english.

I was creating soooo many threads about x58 and everyone suggesting me this thread.. I don't know the criteria.. I don't know i am not getting notified about replies which are giving to me here.. so i will now check this thread everyday.. now come to my question..

 

People suggested me that you guyz can help me achieving higher clocks.. i have an asus p6t with x5670 @ 4.20 ghz.. and uclk @ 3.4ghz.. vcore at 1.375v.. qpi also at 1.375v.. pll at 1.90 and.. ram at 2000mhz at 1.64v.. i saw these voltages to be the dead end for my cooling solution.. i wanted to decrease to voltages a little bit especially vcore.. but i couldn't make it stable.. i copy paste other bios settings from tech yes city guide.. if someone wanted tp see them i can post screen shots.. i tell you i think i am missing something.. i will be happy in two ways.. 1. If my cpu goes to 4.4ghz on the exact same voltages..2. or i could drop voltages at the same.clock speed (4.2ghz).. i am a little bit confused about voltages.. like what voltages effect what.. so if someone could briefly tell me about voltages i will really appreciate that..also i found aida to be not the best software for checking stability..  i wanted to know the best way to check stability without playing games.. and if someone interested to tell me some mods about p6t (non SE) i will be really happy.. and also wanted to mention that my multiplier is at 22x and bclk at 191.. my bios does allow me to push the multipler to 24x but in windows it doesn't stick to that..i think i gave all the info which is needed.. but still if i forgot something feel free to ask

Please help me

 

 

 

[Muhammad Osama]

11 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Is your CMOS battery dying? My P6T sat for a few years before I got it and it was dead. I went through and threw a few bucks at all my computers to get new batteries, it happens from time to time.

I think it should be the cmos or something.. i cleaned my pc yesterday and there was a little bit dust especially on my CMOS bettery don't know why especially there.. i cleaned it and put it back in.. and from yesterday it doesn't did that again.. i will replace it tommorow

[GillyMoMo]

7 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Do all the v3 1600 series Xeons OC properly? I've seen some say they did, and others say only certain steppings have unlocked multis. 

Yes the ones I mentioned do. There are some such as the 1620v3 that just plain won't, not that you'd want that chip anyways it's a quad core (like a 4770T with 10MB of cache). I did some crazy research on this about 3 years ago since I was looking for a reasonable upgrade from my 5820K. I couldn't justify 5960X prices (about 800 at the time vs 400 for it's Xeon brother). It's deff worth looking at. Now for the 16XXv4 those are locked with no options and of course like those any of the 2xxx, 4xxx, and 8xxx v3 and v4 are locked. 

[Muhammad Osama]

8 hours ago, Muhammad Osama said:

Sorry for my bad english.

I was creating soooo many threads about x58 and everyone suggesting me this thread.. I don't know the criteria.. I don't know i am not getting notified about replies which are giving to me here.. so i will now check this thread everyday.. now come to my question..

 

People suggested me that you guyz can help me achieving higher clocks.. i have an asus p6t with x5670 @ 4.20 ghz.. and uclk @ 3.4ghz.. vcore at 1.375v.. qpi also at 1.375v.. pll at 1.90 and.. ram at 2000mhz at 1.64v.. i saw these voltages to be the dead end for my cooling solution.. i wanted to decrease to voltages a little bit especially vcore.. but i couldn't make it stable.. i copy paste other bios settings from tech yes city guide.. if someone wanted tp see them i can post screen shots.. i tell you i think i am missing something.. i will be happy in two ways.. 1. If my cpu goes to 4.4ghz on the exact same voltages..2. or i could drop voltages at the same.clock speed (4.2ghz).. i am a little bit confused about voltages.. like what voltages effect what.. so if someone could briefly tell me about voltages i will really appreciate that..also i found aida to be not the best software for checking stability..  i wanted to know the best way to check stability without playing games.. and if someone interested to tell me some mods about p6t (non SE) i will be really happy.. and also wanted to mention that my multiplier is at 22x and bclk at 191.. my bios does allow me to push the multipler to 24x but in windows it doesn't stick to that..i think i gave all the info which is needed.. but still if i forgot something feel free to ask

Please help me

 

 

 

@Zando Bob please someone help me

[Zando_]

13 hours ago, GillyMoMo said:

Yes the ones I mentioned do. There are some such as the 1620v3 that just plain won't, not that you'd want that chip anyways it's a quad core (like a 4770T with 10MB of cache). I did some crazy research on this about 3 years ago since I was looking for a reasonable upgrade from my 5820K. I couldn't justify 5960X prices (about 800 at the time vs 400 for it's Xeon brother). It's deff worth looking at. Now for the 16XXv4 those are locked with no options and of course like those any of the 2xxx, 4xxx, and 8xxx v3 and v4 are locked. 

Awesome! I wasn't 100% sure on which ones were OCable or not. I have a 4xxx rn, just runs my folding rig though so that's fine. May look into getting an OCable Xeon at some point, though not sure if I'd rather have one of those or a higher core count one and then just lock it at turbo. Are there certain Xeons that can't be turbo locked or are they all able to do that? Some of the 20c ones go up to 3.6Ghz single core turbo, if you could lock all cores at that it'd be insane. 

My Xeon doesn't turbo lock but that's because it doesn't even have turbo boost lmao. That 10c/20t at 1.7Ghz life 

[Zando_]

16 hours ago, Muhammad Osama said:

Sorry for my bad english.

I was creating soooo many threads about x58 and everyone suggesting me this thread.. I don't know the criteria.. I don't know i am not getting notified about replies which are giving to me here.. so i will now check this thread everyday.. now come to my question..

 

People suggested me that you guyz can help me achieving higher clocks.. i have an asus p6t with x5670 @ 4.20 ghz.. and uclk @ 3.4ghz.. vcore at 1.375v.. qpi also at 1.375v.. pll at 1.90 and.. ram at 2000mhz at 1.64v.. i saw these voltages to be the dead end for my cooling solution.. i wanted to decrease to voltages a little bit especially vcore.. but i couldn't make it stable.. i copy paste other bios settings from tech yes city guide.. if someone wanted tp see them i can post screen shots.. i tell you i think i am missing something.. i will be happy in two ways.. 1. If my cpu goes to 4.4ghz on the exact same voltages..2. or i could drop voltages at the same.clock speed (4.2ghz).. i am a little bit confused about voltages.. like what voltages effect what.. so if someone could briefly tell me about voltages i will really appreciate that..also i found aida to be not the best software for checking stability..  i wanted to know the best way to check stability without playing games.. and if someone interested to tell me some mods about p6t (non SE) i will be really happy.. and also wanted to mention that my multiplier is at 22x and bclk at 191.. my bios does allow me to push the multipler to 24x but in windows it doesn't stick to that..i think i gave all the info which is needed.. but still if i forgot something feel free to ask

Please help me

BIOS mods are eeeeh.. I don't know much about them, but I don't think they help with CPU overclocking. I've mostly looked into them for enabling bifurcation on my X99 rig so I can run a 4x PCIe M.2 card, haven't investigated anything for X58. P6T is a solid board by all accounts though, shouldn't be having issues anyways. 

As for the OC, you seem to have hit the best your chip can do. 1.35-1.37 isn't too bad for 4.2 and your uncore is solid too. If you had thermal headroom you can push 1.4-1.45v on these chips without much issue. If you can't go higher then you're getting all your CPU can give with that voltage. 

On the multiplier, 24x is for Turbo Boost, do you have that enabled or disabled? I don't remember if it even works when manually OCing anyways, but I'll have my rig with an X5670 up and running sometime in the next couple weeks so I can double check that. 

Overall you seem to have a solidly tuned OC, is there a reason you need the extra 200MHz on the core? Well tuned 4.2Ghz OCs can beat a sloppy 4.4 or 4.5, this platform benefits a lot from tweaking the uncore and RAM, clockspeed isn't all that matters. 

[Muhammad Osama]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

BIOS mods are eeeeh.. I don't know much about them, but I don't think they help with CPU overclocking. I've mostly looked into them for enabling bifurcation on my X99 rig so I can run a 4x PCIe M.2 card, haven't investigated anything for X58. P6T is a solid board by all accounts though, shouldn't be having issues anyways. 

As for the OC, you seem to have hit the best your chip can do. 1.35-1.37 isn't too bad for 4.2 and your uncore is solid too. If you had thermal headroom you can push 1.4-1.45v on these chips without much issue. If you can't go higher then you're getting all your CPU can give with that voltage. 

On the multiplier, 24x is for Turbo Boost, do you have that enabled or disabled? I don't remember if it even works when manually OCing anyways, but I'll have my rig with an X5670 up and running sometime in the next couple weeks so I can double check that. 

Overall you seem to have a solidly tuned OC, is there a reason you need the extra 200MHz on the core? Well tuned 4.2Ghz OCs can beat a sloppy 4.4 or 4.5, this platform benefits a lot from tweaking the uncore and RAM, clockspeed isn't all that matters. 

I thought 4.4 is better.. but cleared my point..i am having some blue screen issues.. my system isn't stable.. i am starting from scratch.. can u guid me a little about voltages and settings? Like if i am increasing my cpu frequency then what voltages should i increase.. and what voltage for uncore.. and what does pll do.. all this kinda things i f possible

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Muhammad Osama said:

I thought 4.4 is better.. but cleared my point..i am having some blue screen issues.. my system isn't stable.. i am starting from scratch.. can u guid me a little about voltages and settings? Like if i am increasing my cpu frequency then what voltages should i increase.. and what voltage for uncore.. and what does pll do.. all this kinda things i f possible

Like I've said before I haven't had my X58 system up and running (overclocking, I had it at stock for a little bit) for a good few months now, I don't remember all the voltages. Never messed with PLL, some of the other guys here would be far better than me at explaining what that and all the other voltages do. 

I tend to slap the voltage to the safe max for the CPU and what my cooler can handle, then go for the best OC possible. If I'm going for a long term OC and not just benching, then once I get a stable OC I start reducing voltages a bit to see how low I can get them while keeping stability. I never start OCing and then raise the voltage higher and higher, IMO that's a waste of time because you have to restart for instability due to both voltage and clocks. If you run the max safe voltage you can (I believe it's up to a toasty 1.5v for 45nm chips, 1.4-1.45v for 32nm) then the only crashes you'll be having are due to clocks, voltage is out of the question because you don't have any headroom there. 

[assblaster541]

I have an Asus x58 rampage 2 extreme motherboard with a xeon w5580 and 24 gb of ram that I bought off of Facebook. And I wanted to upgraded to the xeon x5660 cpu so i bought one. And when I got it and in installed it my computer it would turn and all the fans would spin the the computer wouldn't bot. 

[MaratM]

2 hours ago, assblaster541 said:

I have an Asus x58 rampage 2 extreme motherboard with a xeon w5580 and 24 gb of ram that I bought off of Facebook. And I wanted to upgraded to the xeon x5660 cpu so i bought one. And when I got it and in installed it my computer it would turn and all the fans would spin the the computer wouldn't bot. 

Updating bios might help

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, MaratM said:

Updating bios might help

^^^ check the BIOS and hardware revision. My X58 Classified boards are V1.0s, they straight up physically cannot work with Westmere-EP. Thankfully for me you can actually mod these boards (two sets of pins on the motherboard need to be soldered together so it’s not super hard, just fiddly) and they work fine. That may not be an option for other boards though, I haven’t looked much into them.