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Intel 8700k 11% faster than 7700k

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7 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I wonder what benchmark those numbers are based on.

It's hard to see the frequency numbers, but an 11% single core performance increase and a 51% multicore performance increase indicates to me like the benchmark doesn't take advantage of all cores. I mean, if we assume the benchmark scaled linearly then there would be a 50% performance increase just from the extra cores alone. If you add the 11% per core performance (is it per core or per clock?) then you should be well above 60%.

 

I am so happy that Intel is finally pushing out some real improvements between generations again.

might be due to a lower all core boost

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I wonder what benchmark those numbers are based on.

It's hard to see the frequency numbers, but an 11% single core performance increase and a 51% multicore performance increase indicates to me like the benchmark doesn't take advantage of all cores. I mean, if we assume the benchmark scaled linearly then there would be a 50% performance increase just from the extra cores alone. If you add the 11% per core performance (is it per core or per clock?) then you should be well above 60%.

 

I am so happy that Intel is finally pushing out some real improvements between generations again.

You know how Intel does things, remember how they claimed 15% performance improvement with Kaby Lake over Skylake? :P Let's wait for actual benchmarks before judging whether Coffee Lake is going to be something more than Kaby Lake with two more cores glued to it.

 

EDIT: Intel added this on LinkedIn 16 hours ago:

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This looks interesting. I guess I ll hold off my new rig purchase for another week or so to see how the 8700k stacks up against the R7 lineup. It will all depend on the price as well.

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It's funny. I have never seen so many CPUs launched and motherboards too in such a short time. Crazy thing competition does. Too bad threadripper ruined all sales of intels xeon lineup and Ryzen ate away the i3s and i5s

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59 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It's funny. I have never seen so many CPUs launched and motherboards too in such a short time. Crazy thing competition does. Too bad threadripper ruined all sales of intels xeon lineup and Ryzen ate away the i3s and i5s

 

Why is that too bad? I think that is great it forces Intel to move.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

It's funny. I have never seen so many CPUs launched and motherboards too in such a short time. Crazy thing competition does. Too bad threadripper ruined all sales of intels xeon lineup and Ryzen ate away the i3s and i5s

 

I think you've been watching too many Linus Amazon Affiliate videos.  xD  

 

Linus and team very much want us to believe that AMD is taking over the world, but we all know that would be just as bad as Intel remaining much larger than AMD.

 

Anyways, this is how Amazon and Newegg look when not viewed through Linus' Amazon Affiliate stats, which are obviously skewed by the very same community hyping it. 

 

Amazon:

 

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Newegg:

 

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1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

Why is that too bad? I think that is great it forces Intel to move.

 

I'm not sure that @BuckGup was being literal.   :D

 

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5 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

Anyways, this is how Amazon and Newegg look when not viewed through Linus' Amazon Affiliate stats, which are obviously skewed by the very same community hyping it. 

People are still buying 7600Ks and FX CPUs? :S 

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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

People are still buying 7600Ks and FX CPUs? :S 

 

Cheap bud.  More popular that people are willing to admit.  xD

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11 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I think you've been watching too many Linus Amazon Affiliate videos.  xD  

 

Linus and team very much want us to believe that AMD is taking over the world, but we all know that would be just as bad as Intel remaining much larger than AMD.

 

Anyways, this is how Amazon and Newegg look when not viewed through Linus' Amazon Affiliate stats, which are obviously skewed by the very same community hyping it. 

 

Amazon:

 

 

Newegg:

 

 

I'm not sure that @BuckGup was being literal.   :D

 

his post contradicted it self which confused me.

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Just now, The Benjamins said:

his post contradicted it self which confused me.

 

He was just trying to casually imply that AMD is doing better than it is.  No biggie.  I think the word impacted could have been used in place or "ruined" or "ate away".   xD

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13 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

People are still buying 7600Ks and FX CPUs? :S 

Something has been busted about Newegg's results for a while.

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25 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Something has been busted about Newegg's results for a while.

 

I've been watching it for years.  It shifts as it always has.  As products release, they peak up in the list and then start falling, but the 7700k and top i5 haven't moved from Amazon or Newegg's top spots since they were released.  

 

Where did you learn about Newegg's "busted" results?

 

10 hours ago, Drak3 said:

@done12many2 How much you want to bet that Intel has been trying to push more cores on the enthusiast platform for years, but they couldn't meet goals/requirements of their own platform with potential higher core counts than we got?

 

Honestly, I don't know.  I do know the enthusiast market's need for more cores is questionable as 8 or sore cores is kinda the sweat spot in the enthusiast lines.  We'll see if that changes, but I suspect that even with x299, the 7820X will remain the top selling Sklake-X chip. 

 

At this point, the HCCs are just about who has the bigger dick between the two companies.  A very small percentage of enthusiasts actually need 16 or more cores.  

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32 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Cheap bud.  More popular that people are willing to admit.  xD

I bought a 8320e and a gigabyte 990 motherboard at Microcenter for $100 bucks altogether (brand new, not refurbs) a week ago for the fun of it.

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Just now, Dylanc1500 said:

I bought a 8320e and a gigabyte 990 motherboard at Microcenter for $100 bucks altogether (brand new, not refurbs) a week ago for the fun of it.

 

When things are that cheap, it's fun, right?  Why not?

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2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

When things are that cheap, it's fun, right?  Why not?

Exactly! They have been making them long enough most of them overclock pretty well. I got it to 4.6 on the stock AMD cooler.

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1 minute ago, LordTaco42 said:

Microcenter in general can be a magical place especially for cases.

 

Open box items at Micro Center and Newegg are pretty killer as well.  I'd only recommend open box items from Newegg if you have a Newegg Premier account as that includes free return shipping and no restocking fee if the open box item doesn't meet your satisfaction.  At Micro Center, you can inspect the open box items in person and you still have 30 days to return them.  Great way to save money as most open box items are still brand new and were just returned due to buyer's remorse or some lack of understanding.   

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1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

Open box items at Micro Center and Newegg are pretty killer as well.  I'd only recommend open box items from Newegg if you have a Newegg Premier account as that includes free return shipping and no restocking fee if the open box item doesn't meet your satisfaction.  At Micro Center, you can inspect the open box items in person and you still have 30 days to return them.  Great way to save money as most open box items are still brand new and were just returned due to buyer's remorse or some lack of understanding.   

I'll have to check those out next time only open boxed items I saw were the cases.  Closest Microcenter to me is quite a drive and DC/NoVa traffic is less than fun...

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, LordTaco42 said:

Microcenter in general can be a magical place especially for cases.

I feel bad for the rest of the world not getting to experience what the magic of Microcenter is like.

 

6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Open box items at Micro Center and Newegg are pretty killer as well.  I'd only recommend open box items from Newegg if you have a Newegg Premier account as that includes free return shipping and no restocking fee if the open box item doesn't meet your satisfaction.  At Micro Center, you can inspect the open box items in person and you still have 30 days to return them.  Great way to save money as most open box items are still brand new and were just returned due to buyer's remorse or some lack of understanding.   

This is very true, I know someone that (I DO NOT promote this) but would buy items at full price return it and then re buy the item as open box at like 30-40% off.

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6 minutes ago, LordTaco42 said:

I'll have to check those out next time only open boxed items I saw were the cases.  Closest Microcenter to me is quite a drive and DC/NoVa traffic is less than fun...

 

Bud, we're really lucking in the DC/NoVa area as we have 2 Micro Centers local to us with the one in Baltimore also within striking distance, so I count it as a 3rd option!

 

I check this daily, but don't steal my shit man.  xD

 

http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/open-box.aspx

 

FYI, their 960 Evo and 960 Pro NVMe drives are on a SUPER sale right now.  Makes Newegg's prices look really bad.  

 

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntt=samsung+960

 

5 minutes ago, Dylanc1500 said:

I feel bad for the rest of the world not getting to experience what the magic of Microcenter is like.

 

Yeah it's really a great retailer.  

 

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This is very true, I know someone that (I DO NOT promote this) but would buy items at full price return it and then re buy them item as open box at like 30-40% off.

 

Yeah, that's shady for sure, but you can't stop stuff like that completely.

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6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Bud, we're really lucking in the DC/NoVa area as we have 2 Micro Centers local to us with the one in Baltimore also within striking distance, so I count it as a 3rd option!

 

I check this daily, but don't steal my shit man.  xD

 

 

 

 

Haha don't worry I've been there twice just to check it out. 

 

 

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Is there any kind of meaningful upgrade to the iGPU yet? The changes from Skylake to Kabylake was disappointing.

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On 2017-08-17 at 10:03 AM, Dan Castellaneta said:

I'm trying to figure out the clock speeds of the chips in the slide. I'm wondering if it can be chalked up to that or improvements in Coffee Lake.

guessing from the numbers they say 11% in single thread performance and +51% in multi-core performance...those chips are 6c/12t so they have +50% extra cores...so it's the same IPC, they probably increased the single-thread boost clock by 10% and they get an extra 1% from various little chipset and latency improvements...so...it performs the same as skylake at the same clock speed...but you get 2 additional cores.

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11 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

guessing from the numbers they say 11% in single thread performance and +51% in multi-core performance...those chips are 6c/12t so they have +50% extra cores...so it's the same IPC, they probably increased the single-thread boost clock by 10% and they get an extra 1% from various little chipset and latency improvements...so...it performs the same as skylake at the same clock speed...but you get 2 additional cores.

Not another Kaby Lake PLEASE...

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2 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

 

Why is that too bad? I think that is great it forces Intel to move.

Too bad for Intel. It's a great thing and I really didn't think AMD could pull such an act after years of nothing but garbage APUs

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