The Right to Repair Continues

[JCow]

The fight for the Right to Repair continues! As many as 12 states in the USA have brought forth bills to force manufactures to create more repairable products, no software locks, and create a less disposable world. I actually did a video on this, but I can't post it here since it promotes another channel. Companies like iFixit, one of the voices behind the Right to Repair movement, and a sponsor of LTT, will (and do) rejoice at news like this. Oddly enough, Linus Tech Tips has never mentioned anything about the Right to Repair movement, kinda frustrating actually. Either the don't care, (which I doubt) or one of their sponsors has them in a contract to not mention it. I'd encourage them to end the relationship.
EU lawmakers call for a right to repair electronic equipment
https://www.cio.com.au/article/621424/eu-lawmakers-call-right-repair-electronic-equipment/?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=taxonomyfeed

[zMeul]

LMG is Canadian based

[JCow]

Just now, zMeul said:

LMG is Canadian based

Yup, and it's a worldwide thing. Same devices, same companies, same issues. 

[Drak3]

You have the right to repair. The only company that actively tried to deny it was John Deere, by taking legal action against those that repaired their new tractors by themself or through a non cert mechanic.

But you don't have any ground to demand that manufacturers provide you spare parts or discard any security or stability features.

[Godlygamer23]

2 minutes ago, JCow said:

Yup, and it's a worldwide thing. Same devices, same companies, same issues. 

I vaguely recall Linus mentioning it in one of his videos. 

[JCow]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

I vaguely recall Linus mentioning it in one of his videos. 

Can you give me a link? Every time there is news, I hope to hear it on WAN show, but nothing. 

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, Drak3 said:

You have the right to repair. The only company that actively tried to deny it was John Deere, by taking legal action against those that repaired their new tractors by themself or through a non cert mechanic.

But you don't have any ground to demand that manufacturers provide you spare parts or discard any security or stability features.

The right to repair involves the companies providing parts to consumers to complete their repairs. 

"Right to Repair" is legislation would require Apple and other electronics manufacturers to sell repair parts to consumers and independent repair shops. On top of that, the laws would require manufacturers to make diagnostic and service manuals available to the public.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a25246/right-to-repair-legislation-under-fire-in-nebraska/

[MorganO]

What happens when your non tech person attempts repair something and it goes wrong?

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, JCow said:

Can you give me a link? Every time there is news, I hope to hear it on WAN show, but nothing. 

Honestly, I do not know which video it was, and it's possible I'm remembering something that didn't exist(you know, fabricating a memory).

[JCow]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You have the right to repair. The only company that actively tried to deny it was John Deere, by taking legal action against those that repaired their new tractors by themself or through a non cert mechanic.

But you don't have any ground to demand that manufacturers provide you spare parts or discard any security or stability features.

I'm afraid it's much more than Tractors, and John Deere. Apple is a pretty bad one at that.
https://repair.org/

[JCow]

Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

What happens when your non tech person attempts repair something and it goes wrong?

That's where 3rd party repair tech and shops come in, they (we) are the ones behind this movement.

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

What happens when your non tech person attempts repair something and it goes wrong?

The company is not at fault, and the consumer must pay for the repairs that are required(or whoever attempted the repairs). If you screw it up, it's on the consumer, not the company. To me, it's no different than breaking someone else's TV, car, etc. The person that broke it should be accountable for what they did and take the consequences, not the "victim."

[MorganO]

Just now, JCow said:

That's where 3rd party repair tech and shops come in, they (we) are the ones behind this movement.

doesnt really answer my question

what if they attempt to repair but they break it

[MorganO]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

The company is not at fault, and the consumer must pay for the repairs that are required(or whoever attempted the repairs). If you screw it up, it's on the consumer, not the company. To me, it's no different than breaking someone else's TV, car, etc. The person that broke it should be accountable for what they did and take the consequences, not the "victim."

i figured, but watch someone try to blame the manufacturer 

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

i figured, but watch someone try to blame the manufacturer 

Someone always will, either because they're clueless or there's malicious intent behind it.

[Drak3]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

The right to repair involves the companies providing parts to consumers to complete their repairs. 

 

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a25246/right-to-repair-legislation-under-fire-in-nebraska/

Then, having been both on consumer and manufacturer side of things. I hope that this bill fails. The only part of the bill I would ever support is the actual right to repair, not forcing manufacturers to do something that I, nor anyone, have no right to dictate.

 

3 minutes ago, JCow said:

I'm afraid it's much more than Tractors, and John Deere. Apple is a pretty bad one at that.
https://repair.org/

Apple doesn't actively sue repair shops just for repairing devices. John Deere did. Only things Apple sues over involve counterfieting phones and stealing IP.

[zMeul]

13 minutes ago, JCow said:

Yup, and it's a worldwide thing. Same devices, same companies, same issues. 

except it's not really

the repair bills only affect US legislation, we, the rest of the world don't have a say in it - morally supporting it is some other thing

and it doesn't affect only computer hardware 

[Godlygamer23]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Then, having been both on consumer and manufacturer side of things. I hope that this bill fails. The only part of the bill I would ever support is the actual right to repair, not forcing manufacturers to do something that I, nor anyone, have no right to dictate.

Selling parts to a consumer might only help the manufacturer. I mean, they can markup the parts potentially, and make more money. 

 

I wanted a new motherboard for my laptop because it broke. I contacted ASUS to buy a new one, and they refused on grounds that they don't want consumers performing their own repairs. If this bill passes and takes effect, I would be able to repair the laptop without going onto eBay. 

[JCow]

 

1 minute ago, Godlygamer23 said:

The company is not at fault, and the consumer must pay for the repairs that are required(or whoever attempted the repairs). If you screw it up, it's on the consumer, not the company. To me, it's no different than breaking someone else's TV, car, etc. The person that broke it should be accountable for what they did and take the consequences, not the "victim."

Following proper guides, like what iFixit provide will help many average joes to do it properly. Like I said before, it's more 3rd party repair shops behind this movement, there are many components, especially on the iPhone that cannon be replaced by a normal consumer, or a experienced repair tech, like myself, only Apple has the equipment to do so. It's called hardware and software locks. Fingerprint scanners, GPUs on the MacBook, baseband, etc. There are many other companies that do similar practices, Apple is the worst. The inability to get proper parts, schematics, board views, that's what makes it even more difficult or impossible
Just take a look Luis Rossmann! Linus did a video with him, he has a lot to say on the topic.

 

[ARikozuM]

I'm all for this except for opening up software to be repairable, but I'd rather the Magnuson-Moss act be opened to include other things such as accidental damage or non-serviceable parts and software. 

[BestPCBuilder2017]

3 hours ago, JCow said:

-snip

You can post under your profile I believe. @Ryan_Vickers feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

 

I am interested in seeing the video

[BestPCBuilder2017]

3 hours ago, JCow said:

Can you give me a link? Every time there is news, I hope to hear it on WAN show, but nothing. 

Finding it in a WAN show is like searching a ton of haystacks for a needle. You could try making a dedicated post for it to improve chances. That's the only thing I can really recommend. But he did talk about it. 

[bobhays]

12 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Then, having been both on consumer and manufacturer side of things. I hope that this bill fails. The only part of the bill I would ever support is the actual right to repair, not forcing manufacturers to do something that I, nor anyone, have no right to dictate.

 

Apple doesn't actively sue repair shops just for repairing devices. John Deere did. Only things Apple sues over involve counterfieting phones and stealing IP.

The problem with not supplying parts is that it effectively prevents people from being able to repair their device without salvaging another broken one. 

[kirashi]

7 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I'm all for this except for opening up software to be repairable, --SNIP--

The problem with this is software that would prevent one from making a hardware repair. While I fully prefer open-source software purely from a security standpoint, I do understand why developers continue to write closed source software from a monetary standpoint. It's a business model, and keeping their software closed keeps them in business.

 

However, if I want to replace the WiFi card in my laptop for whatever reason, but the new one is not on the whitelist of "compatible cards" that was burned into the motherboard at the factory, I can't even make said replacement / repair. This kind of software lockout is unacceptable if we're to move forward with laws to help consumers repair their own devices, since it would effectively prevent you from making certain hardware repairs even if you legitimately bought the parts from the manufacturer. Just something to consider.

[DrMacintosh]

34 minutes ago, JCow said:

As many as 12 states in the USA have brought forth bills to force manufactures to create more repairable products

States should not have this right