[Update: 365.10 is also broken] URGENT: Nvidia's 364.xx driver is BROKEN!

[Imakuni]

URGENT: DRIVERS 364.51, 364.72 and 364.96 ARE BROKEN!

 

UPDATE (02/may): 365.10 is also broken

 

At the current time, the full extent of the problem is not known. But some testing done with PrimeGrid pretty much confirmed that those drivers produce wrong results. I've also heard reports from different sources saying that POEM@HOME is having issues with 364.xx as well, while being fine with 362.00.

 

It's not known if this affects other projects such as Folding, SETI, GPUGRID or whatever other DC project you can think of. The issue APPEARS to be Maxwell specific, but that's not fully verified either.

 

So as a preventive measure, if you have ANY Nvidia card and are using the drivers 364.51, 364.72, the hotfix 364.96 (update: or 365.10), DOWNGRADE TO VERSION 362.00 OR LOWER IMMEDIATELY!

 

UPDATE 2 (03/may): Nvidia has given official confirmation of being aware on the issue and working on it. Click here to see the post.

[2FA]

The only issue I've had with them is that Folding@Home no longer detects my GPU.

[Imakuni]

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

The only issue I've had with them is that Folding@Home no longer detects my GPU.

That's a different subject.

 

What I'm describing here is that those drivers cause calculations to throw faulty results, even though they are seemingly correct.

[2FA]

2 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

That's a different subject.

 

What I'm describing here is that those drivers cause calculations to throw faulty results, even though they are seemingly correct.

Either way, buggy drivers.

[AstroBenny]

It's incorrect to assume that the drivers are "broken" for everyone.

[Nowak]

I have a Kepler GPU and 364.75 has been fine for me. Might be a Maxwell-specific issue.

[Enderman]

its not broken if you dont use your GPU for mining or folding....

 

works fine for the INTENDED PURPOUSE OF A GPU

[porina]

8 minutes ago, AstroBenny said:

It's incorrect to assume that the drivers are "broken" for everyone.

It is early days yet but it does look like for computational tasks 364.xx gives different results compared to earlier drivers for enough people this isn't just a few odd cases. If you never run sensitive compute application you might never notice it, and it is very possible it is not relevant if all you do is game.

[Imakuni]

17 minutes ago, AstroBenny said:

It's incorrect to assume that the drivers are "broken" for everyone.

Oh, your's is doing fine? Then please do the same tests as we did and post your results. Please, the more data we have, the better. I'll give you instructions:

 

1. Install one of the faulty drivers.
2. Remove your OC, if any. This is just for testing.
3. Go to this page and follow the link to your OS.
4. Download the geneferocl app.
5. open it with the command line as follows. Assuming windows and a single GPU: geneferocl_windows.exe -d 0 -q "43322502^131072+1"
6. It'll generate a genefer.txt file once it's finished. Post it's results here, along with the card model you used and the driver version.

 

7 minutes ago, Enderman said:

its not broken if you dont use your GPU for mining or folding....

 

works fine for the INTENDED PURPOUSE OF A GPU

I suppose that's why consumer cards include CUDA and OpenCL support, because you are NOT supposed to use those features. Right?

[AstroBenny]

3 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

Oh, your's is doing fine? Then please do the same tests as we did and post your results. Please, the more data we have, the better. I'll give you instructions:

 

1. Install one of the faulty drivers.
2. Remove your OC, if any. This is just for testing.
3. Go to this page and follow the link to your OS.
4. Download the geneferocl app.
5. open it with the command line as follows. Assuming windows and a single GPU: geneferocl_windows.exe -d 0 -q "43322502^131072+1"
6. It'll generate a genefer.txt file once it's finished. Post it's results here, along with the card model you used and the driver version.

Oh I thought you just meant the driver was buggy. All I do is game so wouldn't notice it for more advanced stuff.

[Imakuni]

Just now, AstroBenny said:

Oh I thought you just meant the driver was buggy. All I do is game so wouldn't notice it for more advanced stuff.

Do you know what section of the forum you are in? People that post here (in theory) do more than just gaming...

[AstroBenny]

5 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

Do you know what section of the forum you are in? People that post here (in theory) do more than just gaming...

Yeah sorry

I mostly just browse recent topics and all your capitals in the title caught my attention

[Henry]

@ImakuniMy GTX 750 Ti has no problems completing WU's with F@H, so is there any reason for me to downgrade my drivers?

[Imakuni]

2 minutes ago, Henry said:

@ImakuniMy GTX 750 Ti has no problems completing WU's with F@H, so is there any reason for me to downgrade my drivers?

Yes.

 

While I don't know if this affects F@H or not, here's the deal: assuming it DOES affect folding, WUs will still complete like normal, and you wouldn't really notice a thing. But they'll have wrong results, which is utterly useless for the scientists. This is even worse if F@H uses single unit validation, or if it validates with another user affected by the issue.

 

For that reason, downgrade.

[Henry]

2 minutes ago, Imakuni said:

Yes.

 

While I don't know if this affects F@H or not, here's the deal: assuming it DOES affect folding, WUs will still complete like normal, and you wouldn't really notice a thing. But they'll have wrong results, which is utterly useless for the scientists. This is even worse if F@H uses single unit validation, or if it validates with another user affected by the issue.

 

For that reason, downgrade.

Which specific driver do you recommend that is super stable for maxwell

[Imakuni]

Just now, Henry said:

Which specific driver do you recommend that is super stable for maxwell

362.00, 361.91... any driver that's lower than 364.xx will do.

[Henry]

Just now, Imakuni said:

362.00, 361.91... any driver that's lower than 364.xx will do.

I meant a specific driver that is stable overall (not just for folding)

[Imakuni]

Just now, Henry said:

I meant a specific driver that is stable overall (not just for folding)

That's what I'm saying. There's no "super stable driver". There are people with problems only on early drivers, people with problems only on later drivers, people with problems with both, people with no problems at all....

 

Once again, any driver that's lower than 364 will do. I'm just using 362.00, but you can use the one which you've liked most.

[Imakuni]

UPDATE: the latest 365.10 is also broken.

[Citadelen]

I though it was a one off, I didn't know three consecutive drivers were broken. Nvidia shouldn't be releasing this stuff.

[porina]

The focus of these drivers is they're "game ready" releases, with improved support for new game titles. That doesn't mean it should break compute capability, but at the same time unless you are playing those new games supported, it isn't really essential.

 

Remember there was talk about them going to a two stream driver release. A "slow" and stable stream for non-gamers, and a "fast" stream for cutting edge gamers. Maybe we need this more now...

[vanished]

Well... I'm on 365.10 now... thought to myself "oh yeah we're out of the 364 area".  I guess we'll see how it goes

[Imakuni]

UPDATE: Nvidia has officialy given word on being aware of the issue and they are "looking at it".

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/933445/geforce-drivers/official-365-10-game-ready-whql-display-driver-feedback-thread-released-5-2-16-/post/4871356/#4871356

[Junior262133]

Cant believe this happened to me, but 365.10 broke my gpu i used ddu to revert back to 362 and my gpu is crashing about 5 secs into any 3d rendered scene; even cs:go. if i dont force close the game before it freezes a second time i get bsod.  365.10 did permanent damage to my gpu and it seems to have taken about 24 hours for it to cook itself alive. conveniently on the day the gtx 1080 was announced. coincidence? i think not!

[Junior262133]

im trapped at my pc all day knowing that if i launch a game, my pc will bsod.