52,600$ fully loaded mac pro

[Pickles von Brine]

37 minutes ago, GodSeph said:

It plays in with that the mac pro is meant for a "pro" environment where price isnt as big an issue as one would think. It depends on the use case and the budget for the company. For a single user at home for pc use its very overpriced but the computer is not meant for that person. Think of a Lamborghini the car is almost useless in most places as it has very little storage and only allows 2 people and is VERY expensive and the insurance and licensing costs are huge. But the car isnt meant for someone who works 9-5 for 50k a year. The car is meant for specific purpose. like many objects you can purchase they have a specific use. Is the Mac pro expensive... yes but the cost is put so Apple can make money and the engineering that went into it. 

Completely agree with you there. Not arguing XD. Everything is relative depending on the standpoint and needs. For a mac, it is a super powerful system. Those that need the horsepower will definitely be welcoming it. 

[Retro_R]

I think that this is def intended to big movie studios (warner bros, fox, etc) or other stuff with huge budgets. Plus, they probably won't get the highest speced model. There's a reason that they have other configs. They're not forced to buy the highest spec.

 

Also that its assembled in America. First, they have to ship the parts from China (which does cost money) then they have to pay American workers (who are paid a lot more than chinese ones) to assemble it. Also, employee benifits, etc.

[atxcyclist]

2 hours ago, Twilight said:

what alternative for a system with 1.5TB of ram?

 

that has literally one 6th the amount of ram of the top spec Mac Pro. it's not comparable at all. 

Why does that actually matter? What individual workstation software can leverage 1.5TB of RAM?

 

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, atxcyclist said:

Why does that actually matter? What individual workstation software can leverage 1.5TB of RAM?

pixar can probably manage it, and also there is a rackmount version so it doesn't need to be a workstation.

[atxcyclist]

7 minutes ago, Twilight said:

pixar can probably manage it, and also there is a rackmount version so it doesn't need to be a workstation.

 

It makes sense to have a rackmount version of server hardware though, which this is. It's already been established that not even PIXAR does their rendering on individual workstations. As I mentioned several pages back, Apple dancing around the 1.5TB RAM capacity for a desktop workstation is just a dong-measuring contest, no individual user will approach that.

[AngryBeaver]

I feel like the use case for this machine is VERY limited. It really only serves as a solution for someone who is only willing to work within the apple structure.

 

There are much better options (that are more affordable and powerful). If you are in a situation to need this type of power then you are probably going to be offloading that work to a dedicated server or 50.

 

I also understand these are for big companies who can eat the initial cost and write it off at the end of the year, but even so unless you just need the Mac OS you could drop a similar amount of money on even more powerful offerings that aren't sitting in someones office for their sole use. You are much better off buying a few powerful servers and letting people access them as needed and share the resources. This gives you much better utilization and more bang for your buck.

 

I need to look around, but I doubt there are any performance comparisons out on these since they are even released yet. I would be curious to see how they stack up to other options. I have a feeling there will be similar priced setups that will murder this thing. Then again it won't have that nice fancy apple on it.

[redbread123]

20 hours ago, Vitamanic said:

I think the argument that this isn't aimed at consumers is a little silly. They're absolutely aiming at "prosumers", at the very least.

 

There are very, very few professional situations that would utilize the top spec'd machines as workstations. Anything that you need 1.5TB of RAM for is getting offloaded to a server in 99% of professional scenarios. Pixar isn't rendering movies on some random dude's office desk, Exxon isn't modeling ocean floors in Bob's office, etc.

lOoK aT mE i mAKe mINeCraFT mONtAgE GivE mE thE ram

 

but in all seriousness, just ignore apple, they're greedy and no one cares. people who are like sheep will buy their 100$ magical cloth probably mIcrOFibEr cLoTH pRO mAx, and the wheels for 400, just forget about apple and let the sheep buy their products.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

25 minutes ago, atxcyclist said:

It makes sense to have a rackmount version of server hardware though, which this is. It's already been established that not even PIXAR does their rendering on individual workstations. As I mentioned several pages back, Apple dancing around the 1.5TB RAM capacity for a desktop workstation is just a dong-measuring contest, no individual user will approach that.

even if it is a dong measuring contest it is funny that you can get a workstation from apple with more ram than any pc you can buy. 

notice i said pc, i know rackmount servers ahve it but you cannot get that as a workstation. 

[atxcyclist]

5 minutes ago, Twilight said:

even if it is a dong measuring contest it is funny that you can get a workstation from apple with more ram than any pc you can buy. 

notice i said pc, i know rackmount servers ahve it but you cannot get that as a workstation. 

Well, you could if you built yourself but that's just ludicrous, haha.

 

https://www.newegg.com/asus-knpa-u16-amd-epyc-7000-series/p/N82E16813119178

[Zando_]

12 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

lOoK aT mE i mAKe mINeCraFT mONtAgE GivE mE thE ram

 

but in all seriousness, just ignore apple, they're greedy and no one cares. people who are like sheep will buy their 100$ magical cloth probably mIcrOFibEr cLoTH pRO mAx, and the wheels for 400, just forget about apple and let the sheep buy their products.

I buy Apple stuff, am I a sheep?

[redbread123]

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I buy Apple stuff, am I a sheep?

depends what you buy, the phones? not really. the computers and headphones? yes who the fuck pays 350$ for some random beats that A: don't sound good B: are over ear and made of plastic. when someone said the beats were for 30$ i thought that was an ok price but i read it wrong and for 300$? what the fuck. anyways the only decent things they have are the phones. maybeee the watch, and yeah

[Retro_R]

9 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I buy Apple stuff, am I a sheep?

No, if that were the case,everyone would be a 'sheep'; If you buy a android phone, your an android sheep. If you buy any corsair stuff your a corsair sheep.

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

depends what you buy, the phones? not really. the computers and headphones? yes who the fuck pays 350$ for some random beats that A: don't sound good B: are over ear and made of plastic. when someone said the beats were for 30$ i thought that was an ok price but i read it wrong and for 300$? what the fuck. anyways the only decent things they have are the phones. maybeee the watch, and yeah

Apple devices are also a social status symbol of where you are at in life, like owning a Mercedes.  This is also a reason Apple is successful.  Separates the plebs from the non-plebs in the minds of people who that is important too.

[Zando_]

Just now, redbread123 said:

depends what you buy, the phones? not really. the computers and headphones? yes who the fuck pays 350$ for some random beats that A: don't sound good B: are over ear and made of plastic. when someone said the beats were for 30$ i thought that was an ok price but i read it wrong and for 300$? what the fuck. anyways the only decent things they have are the phones. maybeee the watch, and yeah

I run an iPhone X, Apple Watch Series 3, and mid-2012 MacBook Pro for work (I do have the option to upgrade to a 2019 13" with the quad core, but imma wait for the 13" refresh with the new keeb, current one is shit). My dad also runs a mid-2012 MacBook Pro, another guy at the office has a 2013 13", my dad has a 2012 iMac at home, an ex-boss still uses his 2015 15" as a daily driver and editing machine. 

You'll find a lot of the people who actually use Macs for work tend to be quite reasonable lol. The PCs I have at home are where I get unreasonable . 

[atxcyclist]

34 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

lOoK aT mE i mAKe mINeCraFT mONtAgE GivE mE thE ram

 

but in all seriousness, just ignore apple, they're greedy and no one cares. people who are like sheep will buy their 100$ magical cloth probably mIcrOFibEr cLoTH pRO mAx, and the wheels for 400, just forget about apple and let the sheep buy their products.

OSX and iPhones have their uses. I use an iPhone but aside from all the iTunes gift card purchased music I have, I could probably switch to an Android phone without issue. OSX does have some global color palette stuff that graphic designers need, and because of that the graphic design community uses them. I've owned a few OSX Macs at home and used one as my email/spreadsheet computer at my office for a time, but the professional building modelling software I use at work and the gaming I do at home are for a Windows machine.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

47 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

just forget about apple and let the sheep buy their products.

insluting people isn't an argument. 

[Roswell]

49 minutes ago, Twilight said:

even if it is a dong measuring contest it is funny that you can get a workstation from apple with more ram than any pc you can buy. 

notice i said pc, i know rackmount servers ahve it but you cannot get that as a workstation. 

You can buy desktop workstations with up to 2TB, read my earlier posts in the thread. Scalable Xeon sockets support up to 2TB.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

27 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

the computers and headphones? yes

headphones agreed. computers no. Apple has done a great job with support IMO, my Mid-2012 MacBook Pro is still fully supported and considering it's an almost 8 year old laptop that's happy editing 1080p video in iMovie and running a Windows 10 VM in Parallels quite happily i think the computers are good as well. not so much the recent one's, although the 16" MacBook Pro is getting better again. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, Vitamanic said:

You can buy desktop workstations with up to 2TB, read my earlier posts in the thread. Scalable Xeon sockets support up to 2TB.

are those as polished and well supported as Apple's Mac Pro is? no. i'm pretty sure you need a special version of Windows to use all that memory and all the cores etc etc. 

[Roswell]

2 minutes ago, Twilight said:

are those as polished and well supported as Apple's Mac Pro is? no. i'm pretty sure you need a special version of Windows to use all that memory and all the cores etc etc. 

Wrong again. Windows 10 Pro supports up to 2TB of RAM and 256 cores.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, Vitamanic said:

Wrong again. Windows 10 Pro supports up to 2TB of RAM and 256 cores.

wRoNg AgAiN

listen, i've had a shitty week with an exam in the middle and a fight with my dad, and as a result i've barely slept this week. i'm allowed to make a mistake!

[atxcyclist]

5 minutes ago, Twilight said:

are those as polished and well supported as Apple's Mac Pro is? no. i'm pretty sure you need a special version of Windows to use all that memory and all the cores etc etc. 

They have to be because that's professional-level equipment. Those are workstation/server boards and because of that have been tested rigorously and certified by whatever people need to do so (I don't work in that space so I don't know which ones specifically). Windows 10 Professional will support 2TBs of RAM and any single-socket x64/x86 processor available, $149 software license.

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, scuff gang said:

mmm yes lets put the $56000 cheese greater in bobs office 

Yes please!

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, atxcyclist said:

Windows 10 Professional will support 2TBs of RAM and any single-socket x64/x86 processor available, $149 software license.

i didn't know that, i thought you needed server for that. my bad. 

[Roswell]

1 minute ago, Twilight said:

wRoNg AgAiN

listen, i've had a shitty week with an exam in the middle and a fight with my dad, and as a result i've barely slept this week. i'm allowed to make a mistake!

My original reply was as polite as possible.

 

Then you got snippy with the rhetorical "Are they as supported and polished? No." So I decided to reply in kind. If that bothers you, don't start it yourself. Treat others as you would like to be treated.