Ford's New Electric Truck!

[Subway]

I am not a fan of electric cars because it will be way more complicated to fix it yourself. 

[ARikozuM]

Came in expecting some F-150 dudebros saying "they wouldn't consider electric" and typing this comment while satisfied... #Priceless

Wait... That's Mastercard. Whoops.

 

On topic: I would enjoy having a hybrid truck. Get all of the advantages for those commutes and still be able to haul the minor thing or two. Also, [obligatory] is there a convertible option?

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, Subway said:

I am not a fan of electric cars because it will be way more complicated to fix it yourself. 

All cars have been moving towards this complexity. Hybrids and pure-electrics aren't that much more difficult to repair. 

[Blademaster91]

On 1/17/2019 at 9:08 PM, dalekphalm said:

Considering that the F-150 has been the number one selling vehicle in North America for ages, this is a no-brainer move by Ford.

 

Sure there'll be gear heads that hold out - but most people? Once they try an electric and understand how it can meet their needs? People will be quick enough to adopt, assuming the price isn't a barrier.

 

Ultimately we need an Electric version that costs the exact same as the Gasoline version (with comparable Trim level).

 

So if I'm shopping for a Honda Civic, for example, ideally I could buy an EV version for the same price as the gasoline version.

Not just the gearheads, people that actually need their truck for towing, the EV version will only make sense if it can tow the same load and have the same range as the gas version. But price is already a barrier with trucks, if you want any kind of features a truck can easily cost over $40k, even the Ford Ranger that just came to the US,if you add options it isn't much cheaper than a full size F150.

On 1/17/2019 at 7:43 PM, Drak3 said:

The next logical evolution in the EcoBust saga, the EV Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge.

Rather ironic because Chrysler and Ram have been having more issues with reliability than Ford has lol.

The Ecoboost engines are nice, V8 torque with a lighter engine, its just people that aren't changing the oil often enough because of the twin turbos.

[Yoinkerman]

it will make a $60000 truck that doesn't have heated seats into a $100000 truck without heated seats.

 

That's great

 

Check out Canadian pricing

[Guest]

Fords suck lol

[Subway]

26 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

All cars have been moving towards this complexity. Hybrids and pure-electrics aren't that much more difficult to repair. 

It is more difficult to repair. If one sensor is malfunction, it will throw bunch of errors that will take more than a hour to run a thorough diagnostic test to find out this malfunction sensor, and it will only take 30 minutes to repair that sensor. 

 

This is why 90s and early 2000s cars are more reliable than today modern cars because these older cars don't have to deal with A LOT of sensors and computer equipment problem. 

 

 

 

 

 

[ARikozuM]

 

10 minutes ago, Subway said:

This is why 90s and early 2000s cars are more reliable than today modern cars because these older cars don't have to deal with A LOT of sensors and computer equipment. 

This only affirms what I just said. 

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All cars have been moving towards this complexity. Hybrids and pure-electrics aren't that much more difficult to repair. 

 

[Subway]

11 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

 

This only affirms what I just said. 

  

You said pure electric and hybrids are not that much more difficult to repair...............It is much more difficult repair because alot car mechanics in the past do not train to deal with these modern electric car problems. 

 

 

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All cars have been moving towards this complexity. Hybrids and pure-electrics aren't that much more difficult to repair. 

 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Subway said:

You said pure electric and hybrids are not that much more difficult to repair...............It is much more difficult repair because alot car mechanics do not train to deal with these modern electric car problems. 

If you have an OBD-2 scanner and some tools, you can fix anything. I have not found any electric cars more difficult to fix than any other vehicle from the same year. 

[ARikozuM]

53 minutes ago, Subway said:

I am not a fan of electric cars because it will be way more complicated to fix it yourself. 

 

51 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

All cars have been moving towards this complexity. Hybrids and pure-electrics aren't that much more difficult to repair. 

 

[Subway]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

If you have an OBD-2 scanner and some tools, you can fix anything. I have not found any electric cars more difficult to fix than any other vehicle from the same year. 

Not if one sensor begins to throw up bunch of error codes that require a special type machine to run a thoroughly diagnostic test that can take up 5 hours. Car mechanic folks train from the past will not going to have a good time to fix modern electric car problems. 

 

 

 

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, Subway said:

Not if one sensor begins to throw up bunch of error codes that require a special type machine to run a thoroughly diagnostic test that can take up 5 hours. Car mechanic folks train from the past will not going to have a good time to fix modern electric car problems. 

An OBD scanner will give codes. You take the codes and cross-reference them with known, potential, and questionable fixes or you call the manufacturer with the codes. My Celica had an issue with the EGR and it gave me six unique codes for the same issue. Same on most of the cars that I've helped to fix and renew. 

 

Edit: Can OBD scanners be expensive? Yes. Are they only available for the dealerships? No. Should the mechanic train to be more proficient with newer vehicles? Of course, and we need regulation to ensure that manufacturers make manuals and training available to all. 

[Subway]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

An OBD scanner will give codes. You take the codes and cross-reference them with known, potential, and questionable fixes or you call the manufacturer with the codes. My Celica had an issue with the EGR and it gave me six unique codes for the same issue. Same on most of the cars that I've helped to fix and renew. 

What if the codes you get from OBD scanner telling you that you have 6 sensors problems, but you know one of them is the real culprit that triggers other sensor problems. You don't want to replace sensor that is working fine, but got trigger by the real culprit sensor problem. 

 

Heck, you are probably need to reconfigure the sensor too. Modern cars = modern issues. 

[Blademaster91]

9 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

An OBD scanner will give codes. You take the codes and cross-reference them with known, potential, and questionable fixes or you call the manufacturer with the codes. My Celica had an issue with the EGR and it gave me six unique codes for the same issue. Same on most of the cars that I've helped to fix and renew. 

I think the point is even with an OBD scanner for any sensor issue on most cars it will only give a bunch of codes, a lot of new cars have multiple expensive sensors and unless you have a car repair shop level scan tool it usually won't tell you which exact sensor failed. I'd rather keep getting used older cars or trucks that have less stuff to break.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 hour ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

You're just lucky, but as Im sure you're aware Ford has two acronyms
"Found On the Road Dead" or "Fix Or Repair Daily"
That's why you get a RAM or a Toyota or a Chevy

Nah, it means First On Race Day.

 

Seriously, i don't understand all the hate for Ford and F150s. If F150s are so bad, why are they the best selling trucks in their class (and have been for some time)? In the 50 years I've owned a large variety of cars, I've found Ford to be the most reliable and best designed. My parents had the same experience, as well as my sister and her husband.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Subway said:

What if the codes you get from OBD scanner telling you that you have 6 sensors problems, but you know one of them is the real culprit that triggers other sensor problems. You don't want to replace sensor that is working fine, but got trigger by the real culprit sensor problem. 

You don't have to replace anything. The OBD glossary will say "known fixes: blah, blah and potential fixes: blah, blah". You don't select one code and say that's the issue. You check if there's a common issue and you diagnose if that is the issue or not. If 5 codes say the fix is X, the fix is probably X, but if it's only one code you just pass it by. 

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

I think the point is even with an OBD scanner for any sensor issue on most cars it will only give a bunch of codes, a lot of new cars have multiple expensive sensors and unless you have a car repair shop level scan tool it usually won't tell you which exact sensor failed. I'd rather keep getting used older cars or trucks that have less stuff to break.

And my point is that all cars are getting to that point. Even basic maintenance, like oil changes, is taking longer on newer cars. 

[Subway]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

You don't have to replace anything. The OBD glossary will say "known fixes: blah, blah and potential fixes: blah, blah". You don't select one code and say that's the issue. You check if there's a common issue and you diagnose if that is the issue or not. If 5 codes say the fix is X, the fix is probably X, but if it's only one code you just pass it by. 

And that shit is going to take 5 hours because multiple codes say different things................You have to test individual sensor, and replace the sensor that is dead then reprogram the sensor. 

 

 

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, Subway said:

And that shit is going to take 5 hours because multiple codes say different things................You have to test individual sensor, and replace the sensor that is dead then reprogram the sensor. 

It's all available directly on your OBD scanner, iPhone/Android, or the device that you're using. If you're relying on only replacing parts, you're wasting time and money when the fix could be easy. 

[Subway]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

It's all available directly on your OBD scanner, iPhone/Android, or the device that you're using. If you're relying on only replacing parts, you're wasting time and money when the fix could be easy. 

Sometimes you have to replace parts if they are no good anymore. Same goes with damage sensors that cannot fix it with a simply reprogramming from whatever OBD scanner you are plugging in. 

 

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

12 minutes ago, Subway said:

And that shit is going to take 5 hours because multiple codes say different things................You have to test individual sensor, and replace the sensor that is dead then reprogram the sensor. 

 

 

You are misunderstanding how the sensors and codes work. The sensors report via codes what is not working, not that necessarily that the sensor is bad. Multiple sensors reporting problems will narrow down which component is probably the problem.

[ARikozuM]

5 minutes ago, Subway said:

Sometimes you have to replace parts if they are no good anymore. Same goes with damage sensors that cannot fix it with a simply reprogramming from whatever OBD scanner you are plugging in. 

Again, all vehicles are becoming harder to repair. The latest vehicles have more sensors than anyone should like to see, but it isn't the end of the world. Replacing the battery on a Prius is simple. It's a lot of work, but so is replacing/repairing a transmission. We're just moving goal-posts for the sake of an argument. 

[Blademaster91]

13 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

It's all available directly on your OBD scanner, iPhone/Android, or the device that you're using. If you're relying on only replacing parts, you're wasting time and money when the fix could be easy. 

True, sometimes its as easy as a loose connector or clearing the codes in the OBD scanner and see if it the issue is fixed.

20 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

And my point is that all cars are getting to that point. Even basic maintenance, like oil changes, is taking longer on newer cars. 

Yeah like you either don't get a oil dipstick or I've read you have to remove the front right tire to get at the oil filter on the new Ford Ranger.

And all the dumb stuff engineered to fail on purpose and cost a ton to repair like electric water pumps, or especially plastic stuff like valve covers or intake manifolds which should be steel or aluminum.

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, Subway said:

Not if one sensor begins to throw up bunch of error codes that require a special type machine to run a thoroughly diagnostic test that can take up 5 hours. Car mechanic folks train from the past will not going to have a good time to fix modern electric car problems. 

 

 

 

It literally tells you the error code and description of the error. OBDII software has gotten a lot better, and with new electric cars they are even offering OEM consumer solutions.