Mantle not restricted to GCN

[Jamdude]

So I'm watching the AMD Developer Summit and apparently Mantle isn't tied to AMD's GCN architecture, is this true?  If so then will it be later supported by Nvidia cards as well?

 

[TheRuke]

It means AMD's GCN I think, If Nvidia made a GCN card it would work then.

[Jamdude]

It means AMD's GCN I think, If Nvidia made a GCN card it would work then.

It says it isn't restricted to AMD's GCN, meaning it is compatible with cards that don't have the GCN architecture, i think.

 

EDIT:  AMD hope to have Mantle on all platforms with all vendors.

[Wi RoZ]

We shall wait and see 

[theNejCar]

Well, it will not work on just any card, since it doesn work on old amd cards. This probably means that nVidia can implement it, not that it will just work on their cards.

Also it will probably work on amd's future architectures not just GCN.

[Coombzy]

hmmm this was a good move on AMD's part if its true 

[MbV93]

It is true, Johan said it and yes he said that "ideally" he would like to see this on all vendors and GPUs, he knows it would work with nvidia GPUs and is probably taking a shot at both companies poking them going like "hey who is going to swallow their pride and do something good for developers and the consumer"  but we shall see if this happens in the future.

[Kuzma]

I think that Mantle would work on pre-GCN cards but AMD simply didn't program for it on a driver level simply because it'll make the 6000 to 7000 series jump look EVEN greater and it encourages people to buy new cards.

 

If Nvidia decided to be civil with AMD and talk to them about Mantle I'm pretty sure Nvidia would be able to get Mantle but they'd make it Kepler only because they can just like Shadowplay and Gamestream and G-sync same way G-sync could probably be integrated into GCN just like TrueAudio.

[Jamdude]

I think that Mantle would work on pre-GCN cards but AMD simply didn't program for it on a driver level simply because it'll make the 6000 to 7000 series jump look EVEN greater and it encourages people to buy new cards.

This is probably exactly what they will do.  7000 series cards are starting to disappear from retailers now though.

 

Hopefully they release more information about it soon, if Nvidia have Mantle by the time they release their next series of cards then they might be ahead of the game a little.

[digitalnav]

"Will allow their game to properly utilize more than 3 cores.

Explicit control of GPU queues and synchronization to implement your own alternate from rendering, and exotic things like a workstation rendering with 4-8 GPU's which would give you around 20-40 TFlops in one machine while evenly spreading the workload among them, also allow low-latency rendering which would be very useful for VR.

Command buffer prediction & flow control and writing.

Shaders can select resources to use without relying on CPU binding.

Will work on both W7 & W8.

Johan wants to see Mantle on Linux, also he said that they are building an opencl/gl extension in FB3.

In mobile Mantle will let SoC vendors will let them leap frog GL4 and DX11.

MANTLE IS NOT TIED TO GCN.

Code looks closer to PS4 API than DX11.

They have been working on it for around 2 months.

Garden Warfare will utilize mantle out of the box with a focus on APU's due to it being an "accessible title".

All FB3 games will utilize mantle."

 

 

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[NohbdyKnows]

*Dies*

[Jamdude]

Nice summary of the Summit.  When you get your hands on the graphics they had to show most of these can you add them to the post?

[Kuzma]

This is probably exactly what they will do.  7000 series cards are starting to disappear from retailers now though.

 

Hopefully they release more information about it soon, if Nvidia have Mantle by the time they release their next series of cards then they might be ahead of the game a little.

ttbh if both parties have both Mantle and G-Sync then it's perfect because FPS won't be a worry for game developers since they know that the player will have a smooth experience no matter what

[SteepGnomeKing]

Does frostbite 3 not use more than 3 cores properly when they use DX11? That seems to be a limitation on the engine and not the API.

[Jamdude]

ttbh if both parties have both Mantle and G-Sync then it's perfect because FPS won't be a worry for game developers since they know that the player will have a smooth experience no matter what

But G-Sync still requires extra hardware  It would be great if both AMD and Nvidia has access to each other's assets though, this seems like quite a step forward with AMD sharing Mantle.

[ACatWithThumbs]

THIS:

 

MANTLE IS NOT TIED TO GCN.

 

Maybe we will see Mantle on Nvidia GPUs???

[Najuno]

In the end we will see what mantle can do or not... when it is really that good then I'm sure nVidia will jump as well on the train, because the door is wide open now. I don't know if they have to change the structure of their cards and whatnot but anyway I can see already the Fanboy-Bashing comming up and the rage from the AMD lovers that it won't be exclusively for AMD .

 

The developers don't want 1 particular thing (this is why DICE comes up with mantle API and not AMD), that they have to program their games not only for multiple platforms but also for multiple structures for 1 certain platform...

 

This will stay interesting .

[ivhyn]

Show the improvement or go home.

[atrash]

What is Garden Warfare?

[Kuzma]

But G-Sync still requires extra hardware  It would be great if both AMD and Nvidia has access to each other's assets though, this seems like quite a step forward with AMD sharing Mantle.

It'd be equivalent exchange (Too much full metal alchemist) I'll take your Mantle and raise you a G-sync!

[Bluejay0]

THIS:

Maybe we will see Mantle on Nvidia GPUs???

 

Nope. Unless we see that $$$

[Thunderjolt]

THIS:

Maybe we will see Mantle on Nvidia GPUs???

That would be nice to see but I doubt it.

[Jamdude]

THIS:

Maybe we will see Mantle on Nvidia GPUs???

Perhaps http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/75866-mantle-not-restricted-to-gcn/ We'll have to wait and see what happens with Mantle next.

 

What is Garden Warfare?

New Plants vs Zombies game running on Frostbite 3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plants_vs._Zombies:_Garden_Warfare

[TechFan@ic]

This was confirmed today during Johann Andersson's keynote.
Mantle is already compatible with "most" modern GPUs, from both vendors.

AMD is hinting again that it's open to the idea of Nvidia adding Mantle support to its architecture.
According to Johann Andersson, even without the low-level architecture-specific optimizations Mantle would end up being significantly faster than current DX & OpenGL APIs.

Mantle does not only improve performance but it allows for new techniques for various rendering methods including lighting & Anti Aliasing that would essentially result in a crisp clear image with no jagged lines and almost at no performance penalty.
 

As far as AMD is concerned the cards are on the table & it's Nvidia's move now.

 

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[NohbdyKnows]

There are over 3 treads on this.......sorry 

 

Dice's Johan on mantle - Tech News and Reviews - Linus Tech Tips

 

 

 

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