The post to stop all CPU flame wars

[waggythegeek]

It's AMD right?

[xnoobftw]

This is such a retarded not smart post

It's like saying what taste better 

Hawaiian or pepperoni pizza

You didnt specify which CPU 

[waggythegeek]

This is such a retarded post

It's like saying what taste better

Hawaiian or pepperoni pizza

You didnt specify which CPU

Thanks...

Can you give a generalization? If not, I guess pick a generic mid range processor for each...

[Unlikelyjoker]

This is a stupid answer to a stupid question.

POOP

(Is this even a question....)

[waggythegeek]

This is a stupid answer to a stupid question.

POOP

Feel like giving a smart answer?

[Unlikelyjoker]

Feel like giving a smart answer?

Ok then.

We dont know because the temp sensors on the AMD are badly designed or something like that so even above 50 or 60 its bad while an intel chip can be 50 all day long with the normal cooler.

So bam

Just say what two processors and cooler please

[Atmos]

Feel like giving a smart answer?

 

Feel like asking a smart question instead of flame baiting?

 

I can't believe this thread hasnt been locked by now for such an obvious reason. 

 

In reality, guess what! Intel has some hotter cpus than amd cpus! and guess what, just because you can fanboy over intel doesn't mean everyone shares your pitifully limited insight into an entire branch of technology.

 

/thread

[Ostwind]

AMD CPU's produce more heat. Most people get confused when they see that the TJ Max of modern intel chips is around 100c while the AMD chips are around 60c. That just means that the Intel CPU's can run safely at higher temps without getting damaged. This does not mean that Intel chips can't produce loads of heat, when overclocked 2011 chips really push it out and 115x chips can as well but it usually requires a good bit of voltage on the intel side to equal AMD levels of heat output especially when the AMD chips are overclocked too.

[waggythegeek]

Feel like asking a smart question instead of flame baiting?

I can't believe this thread hasnt been locked by now for such an obvious reason.

In reality, guess what! Intel has some hotter cpus than amd cpus! and guess what, just because you can fanboy over intel doesn't mean everyone shares your pitifully limited insight into an entire branch of technology.

Siri. Not flame baiting. My dad wanted to know and I honestly didn't know if there was s difference. I assumed AND not because of fanboying but because I know their gpu's tend to run hotter.

[itachipirate]

FX-6300 under 212 evo 4.2ghz 1.4v, I get 40degrees celcius max

[xnoobftw]

Thanks...

Can you give a generalization? If not, I guess pick a generic mid range processor for each...

Still too vague. The AMD cpu line up is wayyyy too old and their "mid range" CPU is no where near intel's "mid range" CPU (due to AMD not making new types of CPU)

[Hieb]

Not really sure to be honest. AMD's temperature monitors are borked so nobody really knows how hot they're actually running.

 

However having said that, AMD's mainstream CPUs generate more heat than Intel's mainstream CPUs... however if AMD uses better internal thermal compound and such, it's quite possible that the cores themselves are cooler.

[Atmos]

Siri. Not flame baiting. My dad wanted to know and I honestly didn't know if there was s difference. I assumed AND not because of fanboying but because I know their gpu's tend to run hotter.

 

Which again, is another complete fanboy biased view. The only amd gpus that run signifigantly hotter than their nvidia counter-parts is the 290 and 290X, which gave way from efficiency and leaned onto brute-forcing graphics strength.

 

I'm going to play the fool and accept your reasoning, Yes, on most occasions AMD cpus tend to run a bit hotter than intel counterparts. Not enough to make ANY sort of a difference, and amd even packs a far superior stock cooler than intels to handle the extra tdp. So yes, they do. Does it matter in any way? No. It won't drive up your power bill, it wont drive up your room temperature by 10000000 degrees and it won't make your AC bill go through the roof.

[xnoobftw]

AMD CPU's produce more heat. Most people get confused when they see that the TJ Max of modern intel chips is around 100c while the AMD chips are around 60c. That just means that the Intel CPU's can run safely at higher temps without getting damaged. This does not mean that Intel chips can't produce loads of heat, when overclocked 2011 chips really push it out and 115x chips can as well but it usually requires a good bit of voltage on the intel side to equal AMD levels of heat output especially when the AMD chips are overclocked too.

Omg please dont give such a vague answer. I can easily say that you are lying

Intel CPU

Core 2 Extreme QX9775 Yorkfield XE (45 nm) 3.2 GHz

150 W

TDP of 150w

 

AMD CPU

Athlon 550 Pluto (180 nm) 550 MHz 31 W 56.36

TDP of 31W

 

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CPU_power_dissipation_figures

 

Do you see why this post is getting so much hate?

[Enderman]

intel CPUs can reach over 90C safely while AMD can only go to 62C

and in relation to the voltage being provided, intel CPUs will reach higher temperatures than AMD

but AMD CPUs have problems with their temperature monitoring algorithm, so its hard to know if the temp they give is really what it says

 

now for the FX9000 series of CPUs, those are definitely way hotter than intel

but nobody with intelligence should be buying those CPUs...

[Enderman]

Omg please dont give such a vague answer. I can easily say that you are lying

Intel CPU

Core 2 Extreme QX9775 Yorkfield XE (45 nm) 3.2 GHz

150 W

TDP of 150w

 

AMD CPU

Athlon 550 Pluto (180 nm) 550 MHz 31 W 56.36

TDP of 31W

 

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CPU_power_dissipation_figures

 

Do you see why this post is getting so much hate?

do you realize you just compared two completely different CPUs with completely different performance?

LOL

you should seriously check your facts and maybe not copare a 550MHz CPU to a 3.2GHz CPU

[mr moose]

Siri. Not flame baiting. My dad wanted to know and I honestly didn't know if there was s difference. I assumed AND not because of fanboying but because I know their gpu's tend to run hotter.

 

Then the question is why does he want to know?  Because you are essentially asking for confirmation that something is unsuitable for an unknown situation.

Nobody can generalise or give you an answer unless you qualify the question, that is, with either specific CPUs to compare or specific end use scenario.

[GrimNeo]

It's AMD right?

Which one's you talking about? At least list something for us to compare.

[xnoobftw]

do you realize you just compared two completely different CPUs with completely different performance?

LOL

you should seriously check your facts and maybe not copare a 550MHz CPU to a 3.2GHz CPU

 

 

AMD CPU's produce more heat

Im basically countering his claim. 

Performance of CPU isnt taken into consideration when he made this claim either

[waggythegeek]

Which again, is another complete fanboy biased view. The only amd gpus that run signifigantly hotter than their nvidia counter-parts is the 290 and 290X, which gave way from efficiency and leaned onto brute-forcing graphics strength.

I'm going to play the fool and accept your reasoning, Yes, on most occasions AMD cpus tend to run a bit hotter than intel counterparts. Not enough to make ANY sort of a difference, and amd even packs a far superior stock cooler than intels to handle the extra tdp. So yes, they do. Does it matter in any way? No. It won't drive up your power bill, it wont drive up your room temperature by 10000000 degrees and it won't make your AC bill go through the roof.

Oh my god. I was uneducated, so I asked. Now I know. "if you ask a question comparing Intel and AMD, you will get threats to have your thread locked." Thanks for keeping it mature guys. You're definitely not behaving like five year olds or anything. By the way, those of you who were capable of educating me without crying to your mommies, thanks.

[imthewalrus]

I am going to fire some shots. Intel runs hotter. 

 

But AMD has a lower TDP (meaning it starts to throttle at colder temperatures). 

[Faceman]

I hear the argument that AMD runs cooler than Intel, and this is a really silly misconception.  I can understand why someone would think that it does, but the temperatures from AMD processors are inaccurate.  They don't measure the cores, they measure the socket, cores tend to be hotter than the socket by a fair amount, and its an algorithm, not a direct measurement like with Intel.  It also has to heat up before it becomes more accurate, this is why you see so many people seeing their FX processors are running below ambient temperatures when at idle.  Thats impossible, its the sensor and the algorithm acting up. It is against the laws of physics for an FX processor to be less hot than an Intel one.  The FX draws much more power.  At stock, the FX8 draws 125W compared to 84/88W of an i5. The FX processor heats up the room much more as well.  I know in my friends' house who owns the FX, his room is sweltering after just an hour of gaming.

 

"Concerning your question regarding the temperatures with your processor. The maximum temperature threshold is 62 Celsius which set for the internal die (core) temperature of the chip. The core temperatures have an equational offset to determine temperature which equalizes at about 45 Celsius thus giving you more accurate readings at peak temperatures. The hindrance in this is the sub ambient idle temperature readings you speak of.

 

 The silicon and adhesives used in manufacturing these processors has a peak temperature rating of 97+ Celsius before any form of degradation will take place. The processor also has a thermal shut off safe guard in place that shuts the processor down at 90 Celsius.

The Cpu temperature is read form a sensor embedded within the socket of your motherboard causing about a 7-12 Celsius variance form the actual Cpu temperature, which may be what you are reading about on the net.
 I hope I was able to answer your questions, If you have any more inquiries don't hesitate to contact us.

 You can use an application called AMD overdrive, that will allow you to monitor your temperatures accurately.

 As long as your core temperature has not exceeded the high side of the 60 degree mark for extended periods of time you should be ok. 62 degrees holds a generous safety net to begin with.

 Thank You

 Alex Cromwell
 Senior Technology Director
 Advanced Micro Devices
 Fort Collins, Colorado
 2950 East Harmony Road
 Suite 300
 Fort Collins, CO"

[Atmos]

Oh my god. I was uneducated, so I asked. Now I know. "if you ask a question comparing Intel and AMD, you will get threats to have your thread locked." Thanks for keeping it mature guys. You're definitely not behaving like five year olds or anything. By the way, those of you who were capable of educating me without crying to your mommies, thanks.

 

If i came across as trying to be mean in my last post, then that's not quite what was intended. 

 

You have to realize that on a forum like this, you get threads similar to this almost daily trying harder than beyond belief to start a flame war, (on a forum which is already heavily intel and nvidia biased) You gotta realize though that for techies, questions like that, written so brazenly and vaguely come across as flame-baiting. Try to understand that some of us have been dealing with fanboys and morons all day at work, then come home and the first thing we see are a bunch of threads bashing either AMD or intel, it gets old very fast.

[ProKoN]

intel runs hotter under load but

 

the vrm on modern intel boards (1155 and newer) typically run cooler under idle and load conditions

 

under idle conditions intel certainly runs cooler and consumes less juice.

 

 

 

amd generates more heat under idle and load conditions

 

amd vrm assemblies also run hotter under idle\load conditions

 

AMD generates more heat in general as a platform warm your heart and your home #ibenchamd

[waggythegeek]

If i came across as trying to be mean in my last post, then that's not quite what was intended.

You have to realize that on a forum like this, you get threads similar to this almost daily trying harder than beyond belief to start a flame war, (on a forum which is already heavily intel and nvidia biased) You gotta realize though that for techies, questions like that, written so brazenly and vaguely come across as flame-baiting. Try to understand that some of us have been dealing with fanboys and morons all day at work, then come home and the first thing we see are a bunch of threads bashing either AMD or intel, it gets old very fast.

Check my sig. Proud owner of r9 280. Almost got an AMD CPU. Not biased AT ALL.

I am going to fire some shots. Intel runs hotter.

But AMD has a lower TDP (meaning it starts to throttle at colder temperatures).

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