x470 vs b450

[PurplDrank]

I am most likely starting out with the ryzen 2600x and might upgrade to the 2700x or buy that first.

 

Should i get a x470 or b450. PC mainly used for pc gaming at 1080p or higher and school work.

 

I have 3200 16gb ram.

 

the mother board is the second to last part i need for my build

[MrReaver]

13 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

I am most likely starting out with the ryzen 2600x and might upgrade to the 2700x or buy that first.

 

Should i get a x470 or b450. PC mainly used for pc gaming at 1080p or higher and school work.

 

I have 3200 16gb ram.

 

the mother board is the second to last part i need for my build

Well if you have 3200 MHz ram then you'd have to go with the TUF X470-PLUS GAMING mobo, any b450 mobo doesnt support 3200 MHz ram. correct me if im wrong

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

2 minutes ago, MrReaver said:

correct me if im wrong

mem issue was fixed even for most B350, not "officially "support by AMD  but mobo manufacturer .

double check mobo website.

[mariushm]

uff MrReaver ... 2nd post from you that's just dumb, absolutely incorrect.

 

The maximum memory frequency supported by a motherboard depends strictly on how well the motherboard manufacturer designs the board, how the traces between the cpu and memory slots are routed.

There's no interaction between ram and chipsets in the AM4 boards, the memory controller is built inside the processor.

 

A mid to high end B450 based motherboard can be better designed than a low end x470 based motherboard, which may focus on SLI (because that's one of the big selling points of x470, ability to have 2 x8 slots connected directly to cpu).

 

Ryzen 1st generation (1xxx)  were more picky about memory sticks but Ryzen 2xxx processors have much wider compatibility so you're pretty much guaranteed 3000 Mhz with whatever sticks you use.  3200 Mhz should work (I'd say around 80% sure it will with any decent board), and higher frequencies depends on motherboard quality.

 

[MrReaver]

3 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

mem issue was fixed even for most B350, not "officially "support by AMD  but mobo manufacturer .

double check mobo website.

Ohhh I see, youre correct on that, sorry. 

[MrReaver]

4 minutes ago, mariushm said:

uff MrReaver ... 2nd post from you that's just dumb, absolutely incorrect.

 

The maximum memory frequency supported by a motherboard depends strictly on how well the motherboard manufacturer designs the board, how the traces between the cpu and memory slots are routed.

There's no interaction between ram and chipsets in the AM4 boards, the memory controller is built inside the processor.

 

A mid to high end B450 based motherboard can be better designed than a low end x470 based motherboard, which may focus on SLI (because that's one of the big selling points of x470, ability to have 2 x8 slots connected directly to cpu).

 

Ryzen 1st generation (1xxx)  were more picky about memory sticks but Ryzen 2xxx processors have much wider compatibility so you're pretty much guaranteed 3000 Mhz with whatever sticks you use.  3200 Mhz should work (I'd say around 80% sure it will with any decent board), and higher frequencies depends on motherboard quality.

 

I see, I was on a website that didnt clarify. It just said wasnt supported

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, MrReaver said:

I see, I was on a website that didnt clarify. It just said wasnt supported

overclocking is all about doing out of specification things, so official specs are useless when it comes to overclocking

 

36 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

I am most likely starting out with the ryzen 2600x and might upgrade to the 2700x or buy that first.

 

Should i get a x470 or b450. PC mainly used for pc gaming at 1080p or higher and school work.

 

I have 3200 16gb ram.

 

the mother board is the second to last part i need for my build

Don't judge a motherboard based on chipsets. Unlike Intel, you don't need a specific chipset to overclock a CPU.

[PurplDrank]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

overclocking is all about doing out of specification things, so official specs are useless when it comes to overclocking

 

Don't judge a motherboard based on chipsets. Unlike Intel, you don't need a specific chipset to overclock a CPU.

then which one would you recommend

 

[DailyProcrastinator]

Memory support has come a very long way for AM4. I got on the AM4 X370 platform very early and had crazy stability issues since my RAM was not listed as officially compatible, with Bios updates this is no longer a big issue and Ryzen really benefits from fast dual channel RAM. That being said a good B450 motherboard can overclock very well and whether or not you need an X470 motherboard is up to you and whether or not you need the features included with the specific X470 motherboard you are looking at. Do you have a budget in mind for your motherboard?

[Electronics Wizardy]

7 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

then which one would you recommend

 

do you need the extra sata ports, pcie spliting from the cpu and other small features of x470? If not, get a good b450 board, they can both overclock fine, and the vrm on the board is much more important for that.

[Jurrunio]

33 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

then which one would you recommend

 

if you use 2700x will you overclock aggressively?

[PurplDrank]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

if you use 2700x will you overclock aggressively?

Not sure about aggressively but I may try to overclock yes at some point 

[-rascal-]

What is your price limit for the motherboard?

If you plan to try any aggressive overclocking (e.g. 4.2GHz and above), you will need a B450 / X470 motherboard with a better VRM configuration, and cooling design.

 

[Jurrunio]

26 minutes ago, PurplDrank said:

Not sure about aggressively but I may try to overclock yes at some point 

Then R7 2700 non-X is the better CPU choice. The X here means higher price, default clocks and XFR, it doesnt affect manual overclocking.

 

Seems like the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon will do. The Asrock Taichi, Gigabyte Gaming 7 or Asus Crosshair boards with X370 chipset are better deals if they end up cheaper, since they have BIOS flashback which means they can have their BIOS updated without a CPU.

[PurplDrank]

8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Then R7 2700 non-X is the better CPU choice. The X here means higher price, default clocks and XFR, it doesnt affect manual overclocking.

 

Seems like the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon will do. The Asrock Taichi, Gigabyte Gaming 7 or Asus Crosshair boards with X370 chipset are better deals if they end up cheaper, since they have BIOS flashback which means they can have their BIOS updated without a CPU.

My budget is around 100 to 130