bf4 mantle boost

[heineygoat]

They actually showed it

Look at what they showed at CES 2013... Half of that just went to shit. Remember the "Xi3 Piston Steam Machine".

How many of these products from 2013 have you seen on the market in last 12 months.. http://www.engadget.com/tag/ces2013-highlight/?

[ACatWithThumbs]

i love how everyone is hating on you being all sarcastic and acting insulted as if you are insulting amd or amd users, what you say is true, the guy with crossfire 290 or 280x won't benefit from mantle... it's the mid/lower end that will benefit from it, if you have a 60hz monitor you wont benefit from more than steady 60 fps .. it doesn't matter if you have 80 fps or 140(enjoy that lovely tearing as your monitor splits into 6 seperate images). the guy who sits below 60fps will benefit, sure there might be some benefit to the guy running 1440p or 120hz monitors, but it is the mid/low end that will benefit the most.

Actually, the reason why game Devs wanted Mantle has nothing to do with increasing performance.

But allowing more Draw Calls which means you can have more objects and physics without killing performance.

It would also allow for more complex AI.

Right now it's complete useless for Devs.

Mantle has the same problem as PhysX .

AMD should make it opensource so the game Dev can do with it what they want.

 

[breugeltje]

i am a nvidia user and my English is kinda poor

 

the article has been update'd whit specs

 

AMD A10 Kaveri processor and AMD Radeon R9 290X Hawaii GPU

 

but the thing that interests me the most is the fact that there are 2 cpu delay spikes

 

i truly hope that amd mantle is going to be good because that wil give nvidia the reason to make better cards

 

i know that bf4's directx multithreading is kinda pore programmed that's why the spike's are there in the first place but what bothers me is that matle is made to make better use of multiple core's

 

so the spikes whit mantel are telling me that it is going to be less than what i expected it to be

 

just my brain wave on this subject

greetz ricardo

[7850OC]

i am a nvidia user and my English is kinda poor

 

the article has been update'd whit specs

 

AMD A10 Kaveri processor and AMD Radeon R9 290X Hawaii GPU

 

but the thing that interests me the most is the fact that there are 2 cpu delay spikes

 

i truly hope that amd mantle is going to be good because that wil give nvidia the reason to make better cards

 

i know that bf4's directx multithreading is kinda pore programmed that's why the spike's are there in the first place but what bothers me is that matle is made to make better use of multiple core's

 

so the spikes whit mantel are telling me that it is going to be less than what i expected it to be

 

just my brain wave on this subject

greetz ricardo

welcome to the forum new friend 

[bob345]

I believe mantle will only be relevant in the short term. Seeing the results on just an apu and not on any dedicated cards just was not enough to convince me that it will be anything special.

[deathjester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfXI1pn5los

 

Really? Come on AMD. It looks like FPS only goes down to 60 but those huge freakin spikes in the video. What kind of jokers do they have working over at AMD anyways lol. Just so you know I am hoping Mantle is all that and a box of chocolates, but was this the best take. Damn dude. Just record some play without gigantic spikes.

 

This can't be Kaveri because Kaveri ain't hitting no 100 fps,

[Kuzma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfXI1pn5los

 

Really? Come on AMD. It looks like FPS only goes down to 60 but those huge freakin spikes in the video. What kind of jokers do they have working over at AMD anyways lol. Just so you know I am hoping Mantle is all that and a box of chocolates, but was this the best take. Damn dude. Just record some play without gigantic spikes.

 

This can't be Kaveri because Kaveri ain't hitting no 100 fps,

If this is Kaveri we shall all laugh together

[qwertywarrior]

i believe that they are just show casing it

 

im sure this isnt the final state or they will just shoot them selves in the foot

[Kilerbomb]

Campaign benchmarks mean nothing to me. Multiplayer benchmarks are what I'm interested in.

[deathjester]

Because BF4 is renowned for being a flawless game with zero issues. So it must be mantle...

 

I am all for a low level API. Check out my posts where I am GLAD we are getting one. I am laughing at the video. I know BF4 is bugged to hell, but come on man. Is this the video you would show? I mean out of all the gameplay they went with this clip? Did this presentation have to be done live on such a bugridden game? Or was this the take they chose? I am laughing at the clip not mantle. It looks like 60 fps was the low? We don't know the card. This could be VERY impressive. 

[TERAFLOP]

repost : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/98955-bf4-mantle-boost/page-2#entry1326129

[qwertywarrior]

I am all for a low level API. Check out my posts where I am GLAD we are getting one. I am laughing at the video. I know BF4 is bugged to hell, but come on man. Is this the video you would show? I mean out of all the gameplay they went with this clip? Did this presentation have to be done live on such a bugridden game? Or was this the take they chose? I am laughing at the clip not mantle. It looks like 60 fps was the low? We don't know the card. This could be VERY impressive. 

i think they had nothing else to show

so they just showed that

 

the game might have looked smoother except from the two lag spikes because the actual video source was kinda laggy

 

EDIT

i looked at a 1080P version

there is something odd

fraps says 100+ fps while the built in FPS info on bf4 shows 30 - 50FPS (top right)

http://youtu.be/Ms16uGxQzSY?t=31m4s

[qwertywarrior]

repost : http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/98955-bf4-mantle-boost/page-2#entry1326129

im not sure posting in a thread would constitute as a repost

i think u need to make a new thread

[Kamina]

I want to say fluke but idk.

[Ashaira]

That wasn't so much a Mantle demo as it was a kaveri demo. 

 

Take into account 2 things.

 

1) BF4 is a mess right now so a full Mantle demo would not make sense since the game barely runs on directx for which it was designed from the start.

2) Once the Mantle patch hits BF4 don't take it as the end all be all of what Mantle can do. That will be just a small taste of what it can really do. We wont get a really optimized demo until probably the first game from the oxide engine comes since that one is being built from the very start on top of Mantle. And the end all be all demo will probably come from crytek once they add Mantle into their next cryengine.

 

Amd was right in the sense that the biggest gain won't be FPS gain but wider markets and making porting as painless as possible.

 

Amd may be looking a bit too much into the future whereas NVIDIA is focusing on 1-2 years from now at most but once everything falls into place Amd will literally take over a huge chunk of a lot of markets.  

[LAwLz]

At first I thought it was the video source (it was a live stream) was the issue and that the green number in the top right was the FPS, but if you look carefully you can see that it is the FPS (the text in age tells you the real FPS) dropping down and making the game lag.

Anyway I have absolutely 0 expectations for mantle. I won't even be disappointed if it performs worse than DirectX (which I doubt it will). What I am disappointed at though is that it's mid-January and we still have not seen a single DirectX vs Mantle benchmark, nor do we have anymore info about it than when it was first announced. I am also disappointed that they included that very inaccurate green FPS counter. Not sure if it did it on purpose to trick people watching (since it reports like 2-3 times as high FPS as the other FPS counter) or if they fucked up.

It's like AMD going "ohh we got this super awesome thing, but we won't tell you anything about it nor will we give you any new info for like 4 months". It's soon 4 months since it was announced....

[TERAFLOP]

At first I thought it was the video source (it was a live stream) was the issue and that the green number in the top right was the FPS, but if you look carefully you can see that it is the FPS (the text in age tells you the real FPS) dropping down and making the game lag.

Anyway I have absolutely 0 expectations for mantle. I won't even be disappointed if it performs worse than DirectX (which I doubt it will). What I am disappointed at though is that it's mid-January and we still have not seen a single DirectX vs Mantle benchmark, nor do we have anymore info about it than when it was first announced. I am also disappointed that they included that very inaccurate green FPS counter. Not sure if it did it on purpose to trick people watching (since it reports like 2-3 times as high FPS as the other FPS counter) or if they fucked up.

It's like AMD going "ohh we got this super awesome thing, but we won't tell you anything about it nor will we give you any new info for like 4 months". It's soon 4 months since it was announced....

Mantle isn't targeting you, it's mainly targeting folks with relatively modern AMD cards or folks looking for a new GPU/laptop.

So you shouldn't really worry about Mantle.

Also you are always negative about anything AMD related, makes it hard for me to take you seriously.

[SkilledRebuilds]

I'm just throwing this in here...

 

Mantle amongst other things...is for enlightening and optimizing the drivers CPUtime allocation compared to DX11 right?

So its reasonable to expect a product showing with low'er end CPU's, this is where Mantle would strive.

Higher end machines will not be getting the same percentage of improvements as lower end machines will.

Developer focus is another thing.. Striving for smooth 60fps minimums, or Heavily Detailed scenes, due to less overhead allowing more objects and whatnot.

 

I see it great for lesser powerful processor devices such as notebooks, midrange machines.

 

GPU's cripple on lower end CPU's, this would "mostly" be alleviated which is what I got from the video's of mantle.

All you guys with BEASTS, will not be as happy as the Padawan machines some other users have.

[frontliner]

I think its stupid to be interpreting the framerate from this video. First, the video source is a stream, probably running at 30fps and dropping frames constantly, secondly the video has been re-encoded and uploaded to youtube. This is far from a fair interpretation. We will just need to wait until mantle support is integrated into the live game to see how it performs.

[MilkyWhite]

AMD should've pulled an Nvidia and only showcased recorded Mantle footage rather than demoing it live.

[Fetzie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfXI1pn5los

 

Really? Come on AMD. It looks like FPS only goes down to 60 but those huge freakin spikes in the video. What kind of jokers do they have working over at AMD anyways lol. Just so you know I am hoping Mantle is all that and a box of chocolates, but was this the best take. Damn dude. Just record some play without gigantic spikes.

 

This can't be Kaveri because Kaveri ain't hitting no 100 fps,

 

Those spikes are save points.

[LAwLz]

That wasn't so much a Mantle demo as it was a kaveri demo. 

No? They demoed it while they were talking about Mantle. They didn't even specify which hardware they were running on. They were very clear it was a Mantle demo.

 

 

1) BF4 is a mess right now so a full Mantle demo would not make sense since the game barely runs on directx for which it was designed from the start.

The reasons BF4 is a mess are not related to the rendering engine. I didn't see any weird glitches in the demo either, so for the demo it ran perfectly (except the FPS drops).

 

 

2) Once the Mantle patch hits BF4 don't take it as the end all be all of what Mantle can do. That will be just a small taste of what it can really do. We wont get a really optimized demo until probably the first game from the oxide engine comes since that one is being built from the very start on top of Mantle. And the end all be all demo will probably come from crytek once they add Mantle into their next cryengine.

And when will that be? I am getting tired of fanboys defending AMD as soon as any remotely negative comes up.

 

A few weeks ago: "Mantle will be amazing! It's coming to Battlefield 4 really soon and it will gives you like double the performance!"

After this demo showing it being meh came out: "J-j-just you wait, Mantle is awesome. You just can't see how awesome it is in this demo. Just you wait like a year and then we will see how awesome Mantle is!"

 

 

Amd was right in the sense that the biggest gain won't be FPS gain but wider markets and making porting as painless as possible.

Oh really? Can you please tell me how easy it is to port? Dice has been working on it for maybe half a year and they are still not done, and it is taking longer than they expected. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it won't be easier. What I am trying to point out that you shouldn't make statements when you have absolutely no facts to back it up with. None at all.

 

 

Amd may be looking a bit too much into the future whereas NVIDIA is focusing on 1-2 years from now at most but once everything falls into place Amd will literally take over a huge chunk of a lot of markets.  

Oh cool. Can you please tell me next week's lottery numbers as well? I am not even sure if you could say Mantle is that future proof. They will have to change architecture soon or later, and it might not be possible to make it backwards compatible with Mantle. I wouldn't be surprised if Mantle support is dropped on hardware released 5+ years from now, or maybe we get a new version which is not backwards compatible with older cards.

[Ashaira]

No? They demoed it while they were talking about Mantle. They didn't even specify which hardware they were running on. They were very clear it was a Mantle demo.

 

 

The reasons BF4 is a mess are not related to the rendering engine. I didn't see any weird glitches in the demo either, so for the demo it ran perfectly (except the FPS drops).

 

 

And when will that be? I am getting tired of fanboys defending AMD as soon as any remotely negative comes up.

 

A few weeks ago: "Mantle will be amazing! It's coming to Battlefield 4 really soon and it will gives you like double the performance!"

After this demo showing it being meh came out: "J-j-just you wait, Mantle is awesome. You just can't see how awesome it is in this demo. Just you wait like a year and then we will see how awesome Mantle is!"

 

 

Oh really? Can you please tell me how easy it is to port? Dice has been working on it for maybe half a year and they are still not done, and it is taking longer than they expected. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it won't be easier. What I am trying to point out that you shouldn't make statements when you have absolutely no facts to back it up with. None at all.

 

 

Oh cool. Can you please tell me next week's lottery numbers as well? I am not even sure if you could say Mantle is that future proof. They will have to change architecture soon or later, and it might not be possible to make it backwards compatible with Mantle. I wouldn't be surprised if Mantle support is dropped on hardware released 5+ years from now, or maybe we get a new version which is not backwards compatible with older cards.

 

I won't even bother with an explanation. You clearly take everything AMD related and bash it. On top of that you take what several AMD fanboys say as what all of us think which is not true. And FYI i have the technical and business knowledge to understand what AMD is trying to accomplish. If all you can believe is numbers on a screen than we have nothing to discuss.

[LAwLz]

Mantle isn't targeting you, it's mainly targeting folks with relatively modern AMD cards or folks looking for a new GPU/laptop.

Ehh... I have a 7850. Not sure about you but I think that's a relatively modern AMD card. I would be very glad if Mantle was awesome, because I would personally benefit from it. I won't make my mind up about it until we have several independent tests showing similar results though. Until then I judge it as just another random product from some company. It doesn't matter that I will benefit from it if it is successful, and it doesn't matter that it is from AMD. As soon as you start going "wow I will benefit from this a lot" you risk getting biased.

 

 

Also you are always negative about anything AMD related, makes it hard for me to take you seriously.

No I am not. For example I thought onboard H.264 encoding with Radeon Pro was awesome, I said that the 290 had amazing price:performance if you were OK with the power consumption and noise levels (and that aftermarket coolers might fix one of those issues). I think the problem here is that you take anything that is not praising AMD as hating on them. You on the other hand, always says positive things about AMD, tries to twist the facts to make them seem more favorable for AMD, and flat out lies (yes I think not telling the whole truth is the same as lying) to make AMD seem better. That makes it hard to take you seriously.

 

 

I think its stupid to be interpreting the framerate from this video. First, the video source is a stream, probably running at 30fps and dropping frames constantly, secondly the video has been re-encoded and uploaded to youtube.

Yeah I thought that too at first, but you can just barely make out the FPS counter in game and it really does drop down a lot.

 

 

 

Those spikes are save points.

That would explain it, since the big spike only happened once.

 

 

 

 

 

I won't even bother with an explanation. You clearly take everything AMD related and bash it.

You know, saying "you're just a hater" doesn't make any of my points invalid. I am not even bashing AMD in my post, I am bashing you for making statements with no facts to back them up with.

 

If all you can believe is numbers on a screen than we have nothing to discuss.

If you by "numbers on a screen" mean actual facts then yes, I only care about them.

[Kilerbomb]

-snip-

I've got to say I agree with you. AMD has been very sketchy about Mantle. We have absolutely no real numbers or comparisons. EVERYTHING is speculation.

This makes me think that AMD is keeping this to themselves because it's not nearly as great as they hyped it up to be. It seems to merely be a hype train to gain publicity.

From a practical standpoint, launching Mantle now makes no sense. AMDs next line of cards will most likely not be GCN (at least I hope not), which would make Mantle very short-lived. This especially makes no sense since AMD wants many future games to use their API.

I could be entirely wrong, and I hope I am, but so far Mantle isn't looking so great.