bf4 mantle boost

[Fetzie]

I, for my part, am not expecting maximum framerates to explode and for us to suddenly be getting 200FPS in games we previously only got 80 in. What I am expecting, however, is a large increase in the MINIMUM framerate (i.e. the one you notice). When you see a review for a graphics card, you always see those down-spikes when something like an explosion happens, or a horde of rabid raccoons rush across the screen being chased by a Challenger Two tank (man, I so want that game now). The one thing I took from that demo, is that the framerate, regardless of how high it actually was, remained quite stable throughout the demo, as did the frame latency.

[SkilledRebuilds]

AMDs next line of cards will most likely not be GCN (at least I hope not), which would make Mantle very short-lived.

 

I am thinking the opposite, everything their making is GCN based., Notebook/Desktop GPU's & APU's are all now carrying GCN, why would they ditch it now after finally creating the platform.

[thewhitestig]

AMDs next line of cards will most likely not be GCN (at least I hope not), which would make Mantle very short-lived. This especially makes no sense since AMD wants many future games to use their API.

I could be entirely wrong, and I hope I am, but so far Mantle isn't looking so great.

Johan Andersson, the lead engine architect of Frostbite and the main guy developing Mantle, said multiple times that Mantle will support future AMD architectures. 

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[Ashaira]

Actually, the reason why game Devs wanted Mantle has nothing to do with increasing performance.

But allowing more Draw Calls which means you can have more objects and physics without killing performance.

It would also allow for more complex AI.

Right now it's complete useless for Devs.

Mantle has the same problem as PhysX .

AMD should make it opensource so the game Dev can do with it what they want.

 

 

Amd has said that they intend for Mantle to be open source once they have a stable and clean first version of it which i heard will prob be around 2015 (and i have to agree. releasing an api to the public in a bad state is a real buzz kill) 

[LAwLz]

Amd has said that they intend for Mantle to be open source once they have a stable and clean first version of it which i heard will prob be around 2015 (and i have to agree. releasing an api to the public in a bad state is a real buzz kill)

So you have a source? That's great if it is true.

[TechFan@ic]

So you have a source? That's great if it is true.

I think it was during the Mantle workshop in APU13.

[Ashaira]

So you have a source? That's great if it is true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpkVmpx2u1U

 

31:08 where it says a lot of Mantles capabilities are not tied to GCN architecture.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-apu-developer-conference-mantle,25079.html

 

 

Ultimately one thing was made clear during the presentations: Mantle is not simply just for AMD APUs and GPUs. The technology is reportedly open, so whether Nvidia accepts the tech or not is a different story altogether, but it's there for the GeForce company to embrace.

[LAwLz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpkVmpx2u1U

 

31:08 where it says a lot of Mantles capabilities are not tied to GCN architecture.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-apu-developer-conference-mantle,25079.html

That's not what open source means...

Ohh well, not being tied to GCN has its pros and cons. The good thing is that it will probably work on later architectures. The bad thing is that it can't be *that* low level if it's not tied to GCN.

[Pounds]

I agree 45% with an apu but still 20% increase with dedicated graphics is still huge

 

I'd take 20% and consider myself lucky. Seriously, if that's what I get with my 7970 ghz at max settings, I'd be blown away! Can you imagine an increase of 15 fps at max settings? That's like a bump from a $300 to a $500 graphics card.

[atomicmonkey101]

Ok, and? Lots of companies show lots of things, they could have changed things around and made changes that we cant make. Dont believe a thing until you see it live and in person.

 

no need to be quite so cynical. Just enjoy the news and hope that it is true. optimism yay! Even if it isnt 45% but close to that its still great.

[Fetzie]

I'd take 20% and consider myself lucky. Seriously, if that's what I get with my 7970 ghz at max settings, I'd be blown away! Can you imagine an increase of 15 fps at max settings? That's like a bump from a $300 to a $500 graphics card.

 

The big leap should be in the minimum FPS, if those talks on the technical aspects of Mantle from APU'13 are anything to go by.

[martinrox1568]

Although some may say this performance increase is irrelevant but more performance means your GPU works less if you enable V-Sync and lower temps means a longer lasting GPU.

and you get input lag

[Kuzma]

and you get input lag

Not with free-sync and triple buffering apparently.

[martinrox1568]

Not with free-sync and triple buffering apparently.

good luck finding a free-sync monitor. There's a reason AMD didn't have a full featured press release for it if it were actually a competitor to g-sync. I want it to be, but the way its shaping up, it doesn't seems promising. Seemed like AMD wanted sommething to go against g-sync and this was the best they could do

[Kuzma]

good luck finding a free-sync monitor. There's a reason AMD didn't have a full featured press release for it if it were actually a competitor to g-sync. I want it to be, but the way its shaping up, it doesn't seems promising. Seemed like AMD wanted sommething to go against g-sync and this was the best they could do

If you'd read the G-Sync vs FreeSync thread you'd know that the vast majority of Displayport 1.3 monitors will have variable VBLANK.

[martinrox1568]

If you'd read the G-Sync vs FreeSync thread you'd know that the vast majority of Displayport 1.3 monitors will have variable VBLANK.

show me a dp 1.3 monitor. The standard isn't out yet, let alone  in monitors

[Kuzma]

show me a dp 1.3 monitor. The standard isn't out yet, let alone  in monitors

The standard is expected to be finished in Q2. It's just like G-Sync, not available at the time of announcing due to hardware limitations.

 

The eDP (embedded displayport) standard contains variable VBLANK already and as such tablets and laptops will already have FreeSync available. This is where it's most prevalent as at 60Hz and 60FPS the experience is already very smooth whereas 60Hz 30fps ,which is a result of tablets and laptops lacking in performance, variable VBLANK will be a lot more noticeable. The vast majority of people don't notice the input lag from V-Sync personally I use Variable V-Sync with triple buffering via RadeonPro and I have a very smooth experience.

[Kuzma]

double post.

Edited January 11, 2014 by Kuzma

[martinrox1568]

The standard is expected to be finished in Q2. It's just like G-Sync, not available at the time of announcing due to hardware limitations.

 

The eDP (embedded displayport) standard contains variable VBLANK already and as such tablets and laptops will already have FreeSync available. This is where it's most prevalent as at 60Hz and 60FPS the experience is already very smooth whereas 60Hz 30fps ,which is a result of tablets and laptops lacking in performance, variable VBLANK will be a lot more noticeable. The vast majority of people don't notice the input lag from V-Sync personally I use Variable V-Sync with triple buffering via RadeonPro and I have a very smooth experience.

Yes I know that, but I'm not excited until someone releases I it and reviews it. Same thing with g-sync

[R4STABAN]

Great news

 

Now you can get moar fps before the game crashes ;D