Will the 20-series be good if RTX is turned off?

[MrStealYourRank]

Since the 20th of september is near, im struggling to decide if it is worth to spend money on a graphicscard that so far only grants better graphics but not framerates or res. My plan was to upgrade to the 80-variant when it got released but now i dont even know if its worth it. There is only one game(Metro: Exodus) i definitely will play so far that will support raytracing. Other than that im only playing games that probably wont even add it in. My plan is to play these games in 1440p at 144hz but will the RTX 2080 handle that when it have RTX off?

[EOZ]

Better go for GTX 1080Ti. RTX 2080 is to weak to run metro on 1440p at 60 fps. Price difference to is ~ 150 for the same performance.

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, EOZ said:

Better go for GTX 1080Ti. RTX 2080 is to weak to run metro on 1440p at 60 fps. Price difference to ~ 150 for the same performance.

That statistic feels a little made up. The 2080 is gonna be too weak? What makes you say that?

[EOZ]

Weak = ray tracing on. Even GTX 2080Ti can't handle stable 60fps at 1080p what a crap at highest level.

[Origami Cactus]

The 2080 will be about the same as the 1080ti (maybe 10% faster), and the 2080ti will be 25-35% faster than 1080ti.

This is with raytracing disabled.

[Nerdom]

8 hours ago, EOZ said:

Better go for GTX 1080Ti. RTX 2080 is to weak to run metro on 1440p at 60 fps. Price difference to is ~ 150 for the same performance.

I don't think that's true... If you are using ray tracing yeah, but why would NVIDIA release a "next-generation" GPU that performs worse than its predecessor? That would make no sense at all, and cause huge amounts of backlash. Imagine the backlash at Intel for announcing cannon-lake (basically OCed chips) but 5 times worse since we only get graphics cards every like 5+ years.

 

8 hours ago, Origami Cactus said:

The 2080 will be about the same as the 1080ti (maybe 10% faster), and the 2080ti will be 25-35% faster than 1080ti.

This is with raytracing disabled.

That sounds about accurate.

[EOZ]

10 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

and the 2080ti will be 25-35% faster than 1080ti.

 

And now the best part ever! It will cost 72% more than GTX 1080Ti what a good value! RTX 2080Ti get's knocked out cold not even close to GTX 1080Ti price/performance ratio.

[MrStealYourRank]

4 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

The 2080 will be about the same as the 1080ti (maybe 10% faster), and the 2080ti will be 25-35% faster than 1080ti.

This is with raytracing disabled.

How big of a chance is there that the "1.5x CUDA performance" is accurate? Is there any previous generation examples on that?  

[Sakkura]

8 minutes ago, Nerdom said:

I don't think that's true... If you are using ray tracing yeah, but why would NVIDIA release a "next-generation" GPU that performs worse than its predecessor? That would make no sense at all, and cause huge amounts of backlash. Imagine the backlash at Intel for announcing cannon-lake (basically OCed chips) but 5 times worse since we only get graphics cards every like 5+ years.

They always release next-generation GPUs that perform worse than the predecessors. Like a GTX 1060 is weaker than a 980 Ti, or a 950 is weaker than a 780 Ti.

 

Your argument would only hold up if you compared the same level in each generation, like 2080 Ti vs. 1080 Ti.

[xg32]

23 minutes ago, Origami Cactus said:

The 2080 will be about the same as the 1080ti (maybe 10% faster), and the 2080ti will be 25-35% faster than 1080ti.

This is with raytracing disabled.

25-35% is rather optimistic, if that was the case we'd seen benchmarks already, no need for all the secrecy to bait out pre-orders. Imho that number will be closer to 10-15% with max oc on both the 1080 ti and the 2080 ti ( RT only actually playable on the 2080 ti, for this reason i'm not even considering the 2080 or 2070. 720p RAY TRACING, GET YOURS TODAY).

 

25-35% would be good for marketing, the fact they are scared to have direct fps comparisons leads me to believe otherwise. There's also the sketchy benchmarks with the 1080 ti running at slower clock speed than a 2080 just to show a 6% improvement (LOL)

 

However this is all speculation (fun) at this point, but if i had to put money on it, the 20-series will be below expectations. I'm actually looking at the 2080 ti when benchmarks come out, gonna give RT a chance.

[PrinnyExplodes]

Just do it - Tomshardware

[EOZ]

8 minutes ago, PrinnyExplodes said:

Just do it - Tomshardware

The Ultimate Brainwash for those sheeps.

[Alex Atkin UK]

8 hours ago, EOZ said:

Weak = ray tracing on. Even GTX 2080Ti can't handle stable 60fps at 1080p what a crap at highest level.

Please stop spreading this misinformation.

 

The best implementation we have seen so far the developer only spent two weeks on it and openly admit they can get WAY better performance with some optimisation.  All examples have been shown on Alpha drivers too.

 

We honestly do not know yet how good or bad the cards may be.

 

8 hours ago, xg32 said:

25-35% is rather optimistic, if that was the case we'd seen benchmarks already

No we wouldn't as the drivers aren't ready yet.  Why is it so hard for people to understand that?

 

This is not just slapping more cores and higher clocks onto an existing architecture, where you can somewhat predict the outcome as far less work needs to go on in the drivers to optimise for it.

 

Its a new architecture, which means lots of work on the drivers before they reach optimal performance.  This optimisation will carry on for months after launch before we get a clear picture.

 

Honestly, its like some people have never seen a new architecture launch before!

[Nerdom]

8 hours ago, Sakkura said:

They always release next-generation GPUs that perform worse than the predecessors. Like a GTX 1060 is weaker than a 980 Ti, or a 950 is weaker than a 780 Ti.

 

Your argument would only hold up if you compared the same level in each generation, like 2080 Ti vs. 1080 Ti.

That's what I was saying. I'm never expecting a --50 card to beat a previous gen --80, or even a --70. But I do expect a performance increase

 

7 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

No we wouldn't as the drivers aren't ready yet.  Why is it so hard for people to understand that?

 

This is not just slapping more cores and higher clocks onto an existing architecture, where you can somewhat predict the outcome as far less work needs to go on in the drivers to optimise for it.

 

Its a new architecture, which means lots of work on the drivers before they reach optimal performance.  This optimisation will carry on for months after launch before we get a clear picture.

 

Honestly, its like some people have never seen a new architecture launch before!

WAN show covered most of this. People should go watch it

[aezakmi]

5 hours ago, EOZ said:

Weak = ray tracing on. Even GTX 2080Ti can't handle stable 60fps at 1080p what a crap at highest level.

is this legit info? confirm

[Alex Atkin UK]

8 hours ago, Sakkura said:

They always release next-generation GPUs that perform worse than the predecessors. Like a GTX 1060 is weaker than a 980 Ti, or a 950 is weaker than a 780 Ti.

 

Your argument would only hold up if you compared the same level in each generation, like 2080 Ti vs. 1080 Ti.

People usually make the comparison like a 1070 vs a 980 Ti.  Typically, they are reasonably comparable except you get similar performance for much cheaper.

 

Like its expected the RTX 2070 will be comparable or better than the GTX 1080.

 

People are just confused with the Ti card coming out at launch and making comparisons that they usually wouldn't be able to due to the pricier card not usually being available so soon.

 

2 hours ago, aezakmi said:

is this legit info? confirm

No its not, its based on Alpha drivers and games which had RTX added in only two weeks, not even close to optimised.

 

Ultimately, nobody can know how well it will perform until it launches.  Personally I would expect RT to INCREASE frame rate not reduce it (if implemented properly in the game), as shaders are no longer being used for lighting and shadows, so can be used for something else.

 

Mostly I believe it depends if the game will let you reduce the RT quality to increase the frame rate.  Just like every other graphics option basically.

[DildorTheDecent]

22 minutes ago, aezakmi said:

is this legit info? confirm

>Expecting a shitposter to back their points up

kek

 

Anyway, the drivers and current implementation of RT for both Windows and Direct X are experimental at this point. Nvidia likely has some "good" drivers already.

[aezakmi]

1 hour ago, DildorTheDecent said:

>Expecting a shitposter to back their points up

kek

 

Anyway, the drivers and current implementation of RT for both Windows and Direct X are experimental at this point. Nvidia likely has some "good" drivers already.

are there games that use RT right now or we'll have to wait? Metro: Exodus was mentioned above

[mikedrewsmy]

8 hours ago, EOZ said:

Better go for GTX 1080Ti. RTX 2080 is to weak to run metro on 1440p at 60 fps. Price difference to is ~ 150 for the same performance.

 

8 hours ago, EOZ said:

Weak = ray tracing on. Even GTX 2080Ti can't handle stable 60fps at 1080p what a crap at highest level.

 

7 hours ago, EOZ said:

And now the best part ever! It will cost 72% more than GTX 1080Ti what a good value! RTX 2080Ti get's knocked out cold not even close to GTX 1080Ti price/performance ratio.

35 FPS VS 71 FPS for the scene below.

I'm sure 100% increase in FPS is worth it for that 72% more cost.

 

[Sakkura]

7 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

People usually make the comparison like a 1070 vs a 980 Ti.  Typically, they are reasonably comparable except you get similar performance for much cheaper.

 

Like its expected the RTX 2070 will be comparable or better than the GTX 1080.

 

People are just confused with the Ti card coming out at launch and making comparisons that they usually wouldn't be able to due to the pricier card not usually being available so soon.

Problem is, the 2070 is not cheaper than the 1080. In fact it's more expensive.

 

That's not to say it's a terrible ripoff, just that going by the kinds of non-RTX performance improvement that has been suggested so far, you're getting about the same performance per dollar (or possibly even a little less in case of the 2080 Ti, but that's more understandable since it's a top of the line halo product).

[Rackooo]

I dont even understand why these topics are being opened. Everything is a guessing game until real benchmarks come out, youre just asking for answers that cannot be given at thus point of time. It has been told numerous times and all the main tech reviewers said it dont preorder the cards cuz nobody knows what they will be like and if the new raytracing technology will be worth it in this generation. Now sit back, and wait for real benchmarks to come out, and stop looking for answers that just can not be given

[DildorTheDecent]

12 hours ago, aezakmi said:

are there games that use RT right now or we'll have to wait? Metro: Exodus was mentioned above

Now: no

 

In the very near future: yes, such as Shadow of the Tomb Raider.