R5 1600 or i5 8400

[Just A Name]

Hey guys. So I'm going to build my very first PC and I'm kinda having a hard time picking which CPU should I buy: 1600 non X or 8400. My usage is gaming, sometimes rendering and future proofing.

Here are the builds I created at PC Part Picker: 
1600: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/JustAName2501/saved/Jm7tJx
8400: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/JustAName2501/saved/MN2vVn

Updated: Budget for the whole system (including the monitor): $1750

 

Update 2: Hyper 612 V2, Dark Rock 3/4 or NH-D14/15/15S for 8600K light to medium OC (~4.6GHz)? (Yeah I changed the 8400 to 8600K)

[Jurrunio]

Both lists are set to private...

 

I prefer the 8400. When it gets too slow, upgrade the entire platform, or to an 8700. Zen wont catch up to these two when it comes to games. 8400 is slower than 1600 in rendering, but you can just leave the machine alone while it's doing work so that's less of a problem.

[Milos Sladic]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Both lists are set to private...

 

I prefer the 8400. When it gets too slow, upgrade the entire platform, or to an 8700. Zen wont catch up to these two when it comes to games. 8400 is slower than 1600 in rendering, but you can just leave the machine alone while it's doing work so that's less of a problem.

+1

 

Rendering can wait, gaming cannot. 

[Just A Name]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Both lists are set to private...

 

I prefer the 8400. When it gets too slow, upgrade the entire platform, or to an 8700. Zen wont catch up to these two when it comes to games. 8400 is slower than 1600 in rendering, but you can just leave the machine alone while it's doing work so that's less of a problem.

Thanks bub. But here's the thing. I also stream as well, so it's even harder for me to choose (I should have mentioned that, so forgetful lol). And the lists are not private. I checked both of them, so can you please check it back again? If it's private, I'll list the parts

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Death_Comes said:

Thanks bub. But here's the thing. I also stream as well, so it's even harder for me to choose (I should have mentioned that, so forgetful lol). And the lists are not private. I checked both of them, so can you please check it back again? If it's private, I'll list the parts

This is what I see

 

Ryzen 5 1600 then. While it games worse, it can at least handle streaming, something that cannot wait. It will still push enough frame rates anyway.

[App4that]

Depends on your priority.

 

Gaming 8400

 

Streaming 1600

[epsilon84]

Yeah for streaming definitely Ryzen. Make sure to overclock it though, at stock a 1600 is somewhat lethargic for games.

[Just A Name]

Btw, here are the parts:

Same: EVGA GTX 1070Ti FTW2, 250GB Samsung 860 EVO, 2TB Seagate Barracuda, Phanteks Eclipse P400S TG Black/White, AOC G2460 G Sync monitor, Windows 10 Home

AMD: R5 1600 non X, X370 Killer SLI/ac, H100i V2, EVGA G3 550W

Intel: i5 8400, B360 TUF Pro Gaming Wifi, MasterLiquid 240L RGB, EVGA G2 650W

[i_build_nanosuits]

34 minutes ago, Death_Comes said:

Btw, here are the parts:

Same: EVGA GTX 1070Ti FTW2, 250GB Samsung 860 EVO, 2TB Seagate Barracuda, Phanteks Eclipse P400S TG Black/White, AOC G2460 G Sync monitor, Windows 10 Home

AMD: R5 1600 non X, X370 Killer SLI/ac, H100i V2, EVGA G3 550W

Intel: i5 8400, B360 TUF Pro Gaming Wifi, MasterLiquid 240L RGB, EVGA G2 650W

with a high refresh gsync monitor  you would see better result with an intel kit...i would try to get a 8600K or i7-8700 on a cheap Z370 board...with a cheaper cooling solution like a cryorig H7 for example.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($237.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $362.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-05 00:37 EDT-0400

[Emberstone]

Why the Ryzen 5 1600 and not a 2600 or 2600X? Due to reduced cache and inter-CCX latencies and higher clock speeds, they're much better in games that were particularly nasty to first-gen Ryzen optimization-wise.

 

If streaming is important to you, I'd probably go for a 2600 or 2600X over an 8400 as, in very demanding games, you'll get less stutter with 12 threads than 6. That said, outside of streaming the 8400 is the winner in games.

[Stefan Payne]

15 hours ago, Death_Comes said:

Hey guys. So I'm going to build my very first PC and I'm kinda having a hard time picking which CPU should I buy: 1600 non X or 8400. My usage is gaming, sometimes rendering and future proofing.

Get the Ryzen, though you should wait a week or so before ordering.

 

Seems like there is a nother load of shit about to hit the fan - this time about 8 Spectre/Meltdown things...

And mostly German Sources are reporting that...

 

NDA seems to be somewhat Monday...

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

with a high refresh gsync monitor  you would see better result with an intel kit...i would try to get a 8600K or i7-8700 on a cheap Z370 board...

1. Proprietary Bullshit should not be encouraged when there is an free/open specification for the same shit available. Yes, I'm talking about G-Sync.

HDMI 2.1 also introduces variable Refrehs Rates so that leaves everyone else including the electronics entertainment industry (Blu-Ray Player for examples) vs. nVidia with their Proprietary Bullshit...

 

2. Why are you encouraging Monoculture when there are viable options available?!
Haven't you learned nothing in the last ~10 Years where all you could buy was 4 Core with and without SMT with ever increasing prices and reduced die Size. 

No Competition is a great thing, isn't it??

 

[Just A Name]

23 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

with a high refresh gsync monitor  you would see better result with an intel kit...i would try to get a 8600K or i7-8700 on a cheap Z370 board...with a cheaper cooling solution like a cryorig H7 for example.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($237.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($89.99 @ Newegg Business)
Total: $362.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-05 00:37 EDT-0400

I really want a silent system since I'm gonna use it in campus and not wanting to annoy my roommate. Should I go with a cheap 240 AIO like Masterliquid 240 Lite and expect it handle the heat output tham the CPU makes when OC?

[Just A Name]

20 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

1. Proprietary Bullshit should not be encouraged when there is an free/open specification for the same shit available. Yes, I'm talking about G-Sync.

HDMI 2.1 also introduces variable Refrehs Rates so that leaves everyone else including the electronics entertainment industry (Blu-Ray Player for examples) vs. nVidia with their Proprietary Bullshit...

 

2. Why are you encouraging Monoculture when there are viable options available?!
Haven't you learned nothing in the last ~10 Years where all you could buy was 4 Core with and without SMT with ever increasing prices and reduced die Size. 

No Competition is a great thing, isn't it??

 

I'm a FPS player, so I'm kinda afraid that those stutter frames will bug me. I have played Overwatch with a 1080 and a BenQ 144Hz no G-Sync. TBH, it's ok but sometimes bugs me

[Herman Mcpootis]

which program will you be using for rendering? the i5 will do better for gaming.

[Just A Name]

21 hours ago, Emberstone said:

Why the Ryzen 5 1600 and not a 2600 or 2600X? Due to reduced cache and inter-CCX latencies and higher clock speeds, they're much better in games that were particularly nasty to first-gen Ryzen optimization-wise.

 

If streaming is important to you, I'd probably go for a 2600 or 2600X over an 8400 as, in very demanding games, you'll get less stutter with 12 threads than 6. That said, outside of streaming the 8400 is the winner in games.

But I don't have a Ryzen Gen 1 CPU to update the BIOS at all

[Just A Name]

1 minute ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

which program will you be using for rendering? the i5 will do better for gaming.

Probably Premire

[Tellos]

I'd suggestt at this point the 2600x or 2700x but thats me.

[DarkSmith2]

hm my thoughts.

 

#1 guy wants to buy a PC

#2 guy doesnt want to or cant spent alot of money but ->

#3 The PC have to be able to do everything at high performance while being very silent at it.

 

conclusion -> doesnt work.

 

#4 Buy a Paystation instead? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Just A Name]

43 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

hm my thoughts.

 

#1 guy wants to buy a PC

#2 guy doesnt want to or cant spent alot of money but ->

#3 The PC have to be able to do everything at high performance while being very silent at it.

 

conclusion -> doesnt work.

 

#4 Buy a Paystation instead? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mine is

#1 Me go to college soon, so can't ask parents for big chunks of money
#2 Me want to build it by myself
#3 Me want to tinker it
#4 If not buy a PC, Xbox

[DarkSmith2]

24 minutes ago, Death_Comes said:

Mine is

#1 Me go to college soon, so can't ask parents for big chunks of money
#2 Me want to build it by myself
#3 Me want to tinker it
#4 If not buy a PC, Xbox

the point is, you can get a r5 1600 close to 8400 in gaming performance and you can stream of it. But you would need to overclock it to about 4GHz or higher where just pure luck of draw through silicon lottery comes into play. It is safe to say you'll be able to get 3,8GHz on average with one of those.

 

To get it there you'll need atleast a big two tower air cooler. 240mm AiO's arent cooling that much better considering there cooling potential lies in ~3000RPM fans and not surface which is contradicting your wish of having a silent PC, besides that their pumps will also add noise regardless of fan speed. (also most of them are more expansive)

 

If overclocked to 4GHz the R5 1600 isnt that far away from a 8400 in gaming performance but unless you want to stream via NVENC from your graphics card you dont have other really good possibilities. While there is nothing wrong with streaming from NVENC you have to consider that it does lower your stream quality by somewhat.

 

You have to decide -> better quality on your side vs better quality on your viewers side. Thats about it.

The same thing @App4that told you already. If you want both, you'll need more money.

[Just A Name]

3 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

the point is, you can get a r5 1600 close to 8400 in gaming performance and you can stream of it. But you would need to overclock it to about 4GHz or higher where just pure luck of draw through silicon lottery comes into play. It is safe to say you'll be able to get 3,8GHz on average with one of those.

 

To get it there you'll need atleast a big two tower air cooler. 240mm AiO's arent cooling that much better considering there cooling potential lies in ~3000RPM fans and not surface which is contradicting your wish of having a silent PC, besides that their pumps will also add noise regardless of fan speed. (also most of them are more expansive)

 

If overclocked to 4GHz the R5 1600 isnt that far away from a 8400 in gaming performance but unless you want to stream via NVENC from your graphics card you dont have other really good possibilities. While there is nothing wrong with streaming from NVENC you have to consider that it does lower your stream quality by somewhat.

 

You have to decide -> better quality on your side vs better quality on your viewers side. Thats about it.

Thank you.
I've just changed my build plan for Intel platform. It now comes with an i5 8600K (because I heard Stefan Payne said that G-Sync is kinda BS). So I think I'll prefer the 8600K. And do you know any cooler (both air and AIO) that's good for overclocking the 8600K?

[DarkSmith2]

11 minutes ago, Death_Comes said:

Thank you.
I've just changed my build plan for Intel platform. It now comes with an i5 8600K (because I heard Stefan Payne said that G-Sync is kinda BS). So I think I'll prefer the 8600K. And do you know any cooler (both air and AIO) that's good for overclocking the 8600K?

If you want it as silent as possible get the biggest air cooler that fits your budget and delid your CPU. Every other option to get it silent is much more expensive since most AiO's come with loud fans that you would have to change or are expensive from begin with.

 

Ive bought an Eisbaer LT360 with noctua chromax fans, it was about 100$ for the AiO and 20$ per fan (60$ total) it is mostly silent, still pump is sometimes a little anoying but 160$ is expensive AF. 

[Just A Name]

3 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

If you want it as silent as possible get the biggest air cooler that fits your budget and delid your CPU. Every other option to get it silent is much more expansive since most AiO's come with loud fans that you would have to change or are expansive from begin with.

So, should I take the Dark Rock 4 or NH-D15?

[DarkSmith2]

2 minutes ago, Death_Comes said:

So, should I take the Dark Rock 4 or NH-D15?

they are somewhat between 2-3°C from each other cant do something wrong with either. 

NH-D15 is a little louder ~5DB. Get the cheaper.