2700x or 8700k

[Spirit_]

Looking to build a new pc because I've been out of the game for awhile and not sure what everyone is choosing these days. PC will mainly be used for gaming and the occasional stream. Future upgradability would be nice too but that's not my main concern. Currently looking at the 2700x or 8700k or in the 350$ price range if there's better options out there. 

[QuantumBit]

8700k IMO

[App4that]

For gaming, 8700k

[HairyPotter]

1 minute ago, Spirit_ said:

Looking to build a new pc because I've been out of the game for awhile and not sure what everyone is choosing these days. PC will mainly be used for gaming and the occasional stream. Future upgradability would be nice too but that's not my main concern. Currently looking at the 2700x or 8700k or in the 350$ price range if there's better options out there. 

If it was only gaming I would’ve gone with the 8700k but it’s just the cores that your getting with the 2700x will really help your stream and is great for gaming

[Wh0_Am_1]

1 minute ago, Spirit_ said:

Looking to build a new pc because I've been out of the game for awhile and not sure what everyone is choosing these days. PC will mainly be used for gaming and the occasional stream. Future upgradability would be nice too but that's not my main concern. Currently looking at the 2700x or 8700k or in the 350$ price range if there's better options out there. 

Welcome to the LTT forums! 

The 8700k is a better gaming CPU, the 2700x is a better workstation CPU.

[knightslugger]

what kind of gaming? 8700k would be great for extremely high framerates, but if you're playing 1080p60 and want a fairly cool running CPU, then the 2700x would be the obvious choice.

[Spirit_]

1080p with the occasionally stream 2-3 times a week. 

[App4that]

A 8700k is more than fine for streaming, hell a 4c i7 did a great job. 

[COUPER MILLAR]

8700k would give the highest frame rates, however if you are limited to 60 hz I would look at something like a 2600. Intel's 1151 v2 socket has no guarantee of future chip support where as AMD has stated AM4 will support cps's through 2020 leaving a better upgrade path in the coming years. 

[Suika]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

A 8700k is more than fine for streaming, hell a 4c i7 did a great job. 

If you ask people who only live by one source, then the 2700X is better if you like really stupid OBS settings for x264 encoding at a bitrate Twitch dot television doesn't even recommend.

 

All in all, 8700k is better, especially for high framerate gaming.

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, Suika said:

If you ask people who only live by one source, then the 2700X is better if you like really stupid OBS settings for x264 encoding at a bitrate Twitch dot television doesn't even recommend.

 

All in all, 8700k is better especially for high framerate gaming.

I don't have an exceptionally large sample size of Twitch streamers I know, but I know a few. Highest spec between them is a 6700k. Seriously. The streaming difference is marketing, though the production and other workstation tasks do favor AMD and their cheap cores. 

[chckovsky]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

The streaming difference is marketing.

Really?

 

[Suika]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

I don't have an exceptionally large sample size of Twitch streamers I know, but I know a few. Highest spec between them is a 6700k. Seriously. The streaming difference is marketing, though the production and other workstation tasks do favor AMD and their cheap cores. 

It honestly feels like the 2700X fills a really niche audience of streamers, people who want the highest quality possible, borderline placebo, without having a second system with a dedicated capture card. AMD's marketing has been on point with that, though.

[App4that]

9 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

Really

 

Yes, really lol. Most the streamers I know stream console gameplay, why a i7 or i5 is fine for them. The also run capture cards. 

[Suika]

12 minutes ago, chckovsky said:

Really?

 

I literally just made a joke making fun of this example.

 

GN is right in the example they gave, but a Twitch streamer isn't streaming at 12Mbps and shouldn't be using the placebo quality mode medium quality.

[chckovsky]

Just now, Suika said:

I literally just made a joke making fun of this example.

 

GN is right in the example they gave, but a Twitch streamer isn't streaming at 12Mbps and shouldn't be using the placebo quality mode medium quality.

I got that, and I get what you mean, but I still disagree. Production quality keeps going up, and while it may not be as relevant today, I'm sure it is going to be relevant at some point, sooner rather than later IMO.

 

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yes, really lol. Most the streamers I know stream console gameplay, why a i7 or i5 is fine for them. The also run capture cards. 

Huh, well i must admit I didn't consider that.

[Suika]

1 minute ago, chckovsky said:

I got that, and I get what you mean, but I still disagree. Production quality keeps going up, and while it may not be as relevant today, I'm sure it is going to be relevant at some point, sooner rather than later IMO.

I dunno, for right now, I'd rather rely on QuickSync or ShadowPlay than x264 encoding. Yes, the quality is a bit diminished, but the only time that should be a concern is if you have a consistent audience and you want to really grow, and at that point, the safer bet would be investing in a small second system with a capture card. I wouldn't dedicate your rig to streaming if you don't even know if it'll pay off anyway.