Taking the plunge to Ryzen.

[Queasy Tiger]

Hey all!

 

I have decided to take the plunge and am planning on buying a Ryzen 3 2200G to replace my weak and clunky Core i3 550.

I have nothing I need to know other than one thing;

Has anyone noticed ANYTHING about the Ryzen processors that I should watch out for?  Anything that might put me off buying one? Anything that I might want to take into consideration?

 

Please let me know!  I want to be 100% sure that this is a better idea than something from Intel at a similar price, as I have a very limited budget, and this seems like the best option to me.

 

(I'm off to bed now, but I'll check back in the morning!)

Thanks in advance!

[Phentos]

The biggest stickler for people is that Ryzen has less single thread performance than recent Intel CPUs, by a margin of 10-30% depending on generation and SKU. For 60hz gaming, this really isn't a problem... however for high refresh rate gaming, this becomes an issue. 

 

However, in your case in particular this is a non-issue as the Vega GPU inside of the Ryzen 2200G will be the bottleneck in the vast majority of cases. 

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by wkdpaul
Cleaned up

[Razor Blade]

11 minutes ago, gayfurry said:

Hey all!

 

I have decided to take the plunge and am planning on buying a Ryzen 3 2200G to replace my weak and clunky Core i3 550.

I have nothing I need to know other than one thing;

Has anyone noticed ANYTHING about the Ryzen processors that I should watch out for?  Anything that might put me off buying one? Anything that I might want to take into consideration?

 

Please let me know!  I want to be 100% sure that this is a better idea than something from Intel at a similar price, as I have a very limited budget, and this seems like the best option to me.

 

(I'm off to bed now, but I'll check back in the morning!)

Thanks in advance!

Are you wanting the chip with integrated GPU because you aren't planning on getting a graphics card?

 

I have been happy with my Ryzen CPU. Can't really say anything bad about it.

[Streetguru]

11 minutes ago, gayfurry said:

 

All you need is the fastest cheap memory you can get

 

and probably an ASrock Pro4 as it'l be the best value motherboard overall.

[DrMacintosh]

So I'm assuming that you don't have a dGPU at the moment so you want the G series so you can at least use the machine? 

 

If you do have a dGPU don't bother with a G series risen chip. Also the next gen of Ryzen chips are coming out soon (pre orders have started) so you might want to wait to see what they have to offer. 

[dizmo]

Make sure the board you're getting supports it. Honestly, I'd wait a bit until all boards have a BIOS that'll let you use the chip from the factory.

Ryzen is picky with memory. Make sure what you buy is supported.

 

As others have mentioned, only get that SKU if you don't have a GPU. Otherwise, just wait a couple weeks for the new line to emerge.

[Queasy Tiger]

8 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

So I'm assuming that you don't have a dGPU at the moment so you want the G series so you can at least use the machine? 

 

If you do have a dGPU don't bother with a G series risen chip. Also the next gen of Ryzen chips are coming out soon (pre orders have started) so you might want to wait to see what they have to offer. 

6 hours ago, dizmo said:

Make sure the board you're getting supports it. Honestly, I'd wait a bit until all boards have a BIOS that'll let you use the chip from the factory.

Ryzen is picky with memory. Make sure what you buy is supported.

 

As others have mentioned, only get that SKU if you don't have a GPU. Otherwise, just wait a couple weeks for the new line to emerge.

8 hours ago, Razor02097 said:

Are you wanting the chip with integrated GPU because you aren't planning on getting a graphics card?

 

I have been happy with my Ryzen CPU. Can't really say anything bad about it.

 

I figured that I should've mentioned this

I do have a GPU (A GTX 960) but the reason I am going for the G series chip is because the G series one is actually cheaper than the 1200 (which was my other choice) on my favourite computer parts site here in the UK (At least at the time of posting).  And apparently (At least from my research) the 2200G actually performs better than the 1200 due to it's higher clock speed and whatnot.

 

 

2200G:

https://www.cclonline.com/product/247355/YD2200C5FBBOX/CPU-Processors/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-3-5GHz-Quad-Core-Processor-with-Radeon-Vega-8-Graphics-65W-6MB-Cache-3-7GHz-Turbo-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler-/CPU0535/

 

1200:

https://www.cclonline.com/product/237108/YD1200BBAEBOX/CPU-Processors/AMD-Ryzen-3-1200-3-1GHz-65W-4-Core-4-Thread-Socket-AM4-Processor-with-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/CPU0477/

 

Performance comparison:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/m441832vs3931

So, I would've gone for the 1200, but why would I when I can get the better 2200G for cheaper?  And it also give's me redundancy if my graphics card dies...

 

Sorry about that, I should've mentioned that, but I was tired and I had a hospital appointment this morning so I had to be up early.

 

And because of my tight budget, and current awful CPU, I want to upgrade as soon as possible.  (I will have saved up enough by around July)

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by gayfurry

[Queasy Tiger]

8 hours ago, Streetguru said:

All you need is the fastest cheap memory you can get

 

and probably an ASrock Pro4 as it'l be the best value motherboard overall.

I was looking at this one personally:

https://www.cclonline.com/product/232913/B350-PC-MATE/Motherboards/MSI-B350-PC-MATE-Motherboard-AMD-RYZEN-AM4-AMD-B350-ATX-Realtek-Gigabit-LAN-DDR4/MBD2164/

[SpencerC]

13 minutes ago, gayfurry said:

I was looking at this one personally:

https://www.cclonline.com/product/232913/B350-PC-MATE/Motherboards/MSI-B350-PC-MATE-Motherboard-AMD-RYZEN-AM4-AMD-B350-ATX-Realtek-Gigabit-LAN-DDR4/MBD2164/

I would recommend against getting that B350, it isn't really that good. Go for the Pro4, AB350 Gaming K4, ASUS Strix B350, or B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (this one is mostly for the bling factor).

[LienusLateTips]

28 minutes ago, gayfurry said:

 

I figured that I should've mentioned this

I do have a GPU (A GTX 960) but the reason I am going for the G series chip is because the G series one is actually cheaper than the 1200 (which was my other choice) on my favourite computer parts site here in the UK (At least at the time of posting).  And apparently (At least from my research) the 2200G actually performs better than the 1200 due to it's higher clock speed and whatnot.

 

 

2200G:

https://www.cclonline.com/product/247355/YD2200C5FBBOX/CPU-Processors/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-3-5GHz-Quad-Core-Processor-with-Radeon-Vega-8-Graphics-65W-6MB-Cache-3-7GHz-Turbo-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler-/CPU0535/

 

1200:

https://www.cclonline.com/product/237108/YD1200BBAEBOX/CPU-Processors/AMD-Ryzen-3-1200-3-1GHz-65W-4-Core-4-Thread-Socket-AM4-Processor-with-Wraith-Stealth-Cooler/CPU0477/

 

Performance comparison:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1200/m441832vs3931

So, I would've gone for the 1200, but why would I when I can get the better 2200G for cheaper?  And it also give's me redundancy if my graphics card dies...

 

Sorry about that, I should've mentioned that, but I was tired and I had a hospital appointment this morning so I had to be up early.

 

And because of my tight budget, and current awful CPU, I want to upgrade as soon as possible.  (I will have saved up enough by around July)

 

That's about when Intel Ice Lake launches. Zen+ launches 19th of April, why not that?

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, SpencerC said:

I would recommend against getting that B350, it isn't really that good. Go for the Pro4, AB350 Gaming K4, ASUS Strix B350, or B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (this one is mostly for the bling factor).

STRIX B350 pretty overpriced compared to the K4

[Queasy Tiger]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

That's about when Intel Ice Lake launches. Zen+ launches 19th of April, why not that?

I'm the adventurous type.

And after staying with the blue team for as long as I can remember, I want to give the red team a chance seeing as they are making a comeback.  

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, gayfurry said:

I'm the adventurous type.

And after staying with the blue team for as long as I can remember, I want to give the red team a chance seeing as they are making a comeback.  

Still, why not Zen+?

[Queasy Tiger]

2 minutes ago, JDE said:

STRIX B350 pretty overpriced compared to the K4

Unfortunately, the STRIX B350 is just slightly out of my budget    It is just under £100GBP and the one I was looking at is just under £70

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, gayfurry said:

Unfortunately, the STRIX B350 is just slightly out of my budget    It is just under £100GBP and the one I was looking at is just under £70

Get the K4 if you can, otherwise Pro4

[Queasy Tiger]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

Still, why not Zen+?

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. (as long as it is within my budget)  Besides, for the games I play, the 2200G is enough for me. 

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, gayfurry said:

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. (as long as it is within my budget)  Besides, for the games I play, the 2200G is enough for me. 

ITLL BE THE SAME PRICE AS ITS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE THE CURRENT LINEUP OTHER THAN THE APUs

[Queasy Tiger]

The K4 certainly seems like an option, my only issue being that I was hoping to get an MSI board.

You see, I'm an audiophile, and until I can get a good sound card, I was hoping to use MSI's excellent on board audio and software.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, gayfurry said:

The K4 certainly seems like an option, my only issue being that I was hoping to get an MSI board.

You see, I'm an audiophile, and until I can get a good sound card, I was hoping to use MSI's excellent on board audio and software.

Problem is, MSIs VRMs this generation are really terrible unless you invest to something like the B350 KRAIT or CARBON, which are way out of your budget.

[Queasy Tiger]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

ITLL BE THE SAME PRICE AS ITS SUPPOSED TO REPLACE THE CURRENT LINEUP OTHER THAN THE APUs

Fair enough.  As I say, cross that bridge when I come to it.  I like to shop for what is currently available, and make new decisions according to the release of new available technologies.

[Queasy Tiger]

2 minutes ago, JDE said:

Problem is, MSIs VRMs this generation are really terrible unless you invest to something like the B350 KRAIT or CARBON, which are way out of your budget.

GAHHH!!!  It's so difficult to choose!!!

 

But I guess that's what the forum is for, and I kinda brought it on myself by asking for help  

[Queasy Tiger]

4 minutes ago, JDE said:

Problem is, MSIs VRMs this generation are really terrible unless you invest to something like the B350 KRAIT or CARBON, which are way out of your budget.

Is there a thread you know of recommending good boards or anything?

 

My requirements are:

• Must have at least 1 M.2 slot
• Must have 4 DIMM slots for RAM
• Must have at least one PCIe 1x slot that won't be covered by a dual slot graphics card in a 16x slot
• Must have support for Ryzen (Obviously)
• Would like to have decent on board audio but not essential 
• Would prefer full sized ATX if possible
• A pump header for the CPU would be nice
• USB 3.1 and type C is important to me

I know it's a bit much, but yeah.  

Say I had £90 or so to spend, what could I get?

 

This is a nightmare...

[Queasy Tiger]

19 minutes ago, JDE said:

Problem is, MSIs VRMs this generation are really terrible unless you invest to something like the B350 KRAIT or CARBON, which are way out of your budget.

(The K4 is on my list of options)

[dizmo]

Ah, if the 2200G is cheaper than the 1200 where you are then go with that one absolutely. 

[Razor Blade]

ASRock AB350 K4 or Pro4 are both under £90 at newegg.

 

Pro4

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157761

 

K4

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813157759