Car Enthusiast Club [Now Motorcycle friendly!] - First thread to 150k! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[RevoltTrain]

yes in nyc there a are a few as taxis that cater to physically disabled people 

Now that you mention it, I do remember there being a few of them as taxis in Chicago last time I was there

[pagani123]

if anyone is a Lamborghini fan look at the price jump of the countach on hagertys price guide

 

[JoaoPRSousa]

if anyone is a Lamborghini fan look at the price jump of the countach on hagertys price guide

 

[FuzzyYellow]

if anyone is a Lamborghini fan look at the price jump of the countach on hagertys price guide

 

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the values of Porsche have a similar trend.

[pagani123]

the values of Porsche have a similar trend.

yes but not on the extream levels like this they just go up steadly this shot up from 800k to 1.8 mil in a few months

[FuzzyYellow]

what do you racing sim guys think of this? I don't have much money to spend, and I don't have a controller to use either. I just happened to stumble upon this while browsing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Driving-Force-with-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel-for-Playstation-2-PS2-PC-/281810840433?hash=item419d3c2b71

[pagani123]

i dont have any classes today and i am really bored. so i did a little number crunching and figured out that if you wanted to own almost every Lamborghini model that was not a prototype and actually made it into production you would spend about 21 to 22 million dollars. i even made a nice little spreadsheet. but i did not include different editions or years of the car just the lowest price for the model in near mint condition. (i will make a more detailed one for Lamborghini later with years and trim) also if you want to see any other price for every company's models just suggest it and i will make a spreadsheet for that company 

 

[MEC-777]

what do you racing sim guys think of this? I don't have much money to spend, and I don't have a controller to use either. I just happened to stumble upon this while browsing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Driving-Force-with-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel-for-Playstation-2-PS2-PC-/281810840433?hash=item419d3c2b71

 

For the money, you can't do any better. That's a bargain if I ever saw one. I'd snatch that up asap, if I were you.

[techswede]

i dont have any classes today and i am really bored. so i did a little number crunching and figured out that if you wanted to own almost every Lamborghini model that was not a prototype and actually made it into production you would spend about 21 to 22 million dollars. i even made a nice little spreadsheet. but i did not include different editions or years of the car just the lowest price for the model in near mint condition. (i will make a more detailed one for Lamborghini later with years and trim) also if you want to see any other price for every company's models just suggest it and i will make a spreadsheet for that company 

 

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Bargain

If you feel like it i'd like to suggest mercedes cars. Pre 90s 

[pagani123]

Bargain

If you feel like it i'd like to suggest mercedes cars. Pre 90s 

alright this one will be a little more challenging and i will post a sheet later today 

[FuzzyYellow]

For the money, you can't do any better. That's a bargain if I ever saw one. I'd snatch that up asap, if I were you.

cool! maybe this will tide me over until I can afford to get a real car.

[RevoltTrain]

So, question, how much would it cost to turbo a Prelude?

 

My friend has a 5th gen Prelude, and is wanting more power.

 

How much would it cost to properly turbo it and make maybe about 15PSI?

[chaozbandit]

what do you racing sim guys think of this? I don't have much money to spend, and I don't have a controller to use either. I just happened to stumble upon this while browsing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Driving-Force-with-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel-for-Playstation-2-PS2-PC-/281810840433?hash=item419d3c2b71

 

Thats not bad, though if you can a Momo wheel isn't that much more expensive. Of course it depends on location, but from personal experience the Momo wheel was more than enough to get me by until I could afford a G27. More or less the same pedals as the Driving Force EX you listed, but 270 degrees of rotation compared to 200 (unless Google is wrong) and it comes with a swappable (left or right side) sequential shifter. Both are cheapo wheels so don't expect them to give you DFGT performance, but either are still a step up from a controller.

 

 

The buttons do add some nice functionality.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-PC-PS3-Momo-Force-Feedback-Racing-Steering-Wheel-Tested-/291579906909?hash=item43e3844b5d

[techswede]

So, question, how much would it cost to turbo a Prelude?

 

My friend has a 5th gen Prelude, and is wanting more power.

 

How much would it cost to properly turbo it and make maybe about 15PSI?

You're probably better off asking someone that has actually done it.

15psi is about 1 civilized bar right? So you aren't asking much of the engine.

But getting some input from someone that has turboed that specific engine can save you a lot of money.

Or getting a professional opinion. 

You could probably junkyard turbo it for 500$. But depending on what you want to do it can be pricy

[RevoltTrain]

You know you love cars when they start to feel like a member of the family.

[pagani123]

Bargain

If you feel like it i'd like to suggest mercedes cars. Pre 90s 

im just going to do the significant models of mercedes benz  there are just to many sorry.

[techswede]

You know you love cars when they start to feel like a member of the family.

My golf is the harry potter of my family.. 

 

im just going to do the significant models of mercedes benz  there are just to many sorry.

Wasn't expecting a miracle  Not forcing you either^^ 

[SLPNTIM]

what do you racing sim guys think of this? I don't have much money to spend, and I don't have a controller to use either. I just happened to stumble upon this while browsing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Driving-Force-with-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel-for-Playstation-2-PS2-PC-/281810840433?hash=item419d3c2b71

I would just save up for a g27. There is no point in getting into Sim racing only change your setup down the road. It's not easy setting up and getting used to it.

So, question, how much would it cost to turbo a Prelude?

My friend has a 5th gen Prelude, and is wanting more power.

How much would it cost to properly turbo it and make maybe about 15PSI?

If he is building it and putting it together I don't think he should turbo it. It's not easy as make a exhaustanifold get the actual turbo hooked up. Do the intake plumbing make brackets for intercooler. You also have to tune the engine. If you want to see real gain you would need to upgrade injectors fuel pump and so on.

[GlassBomb]

Just got my Fluke (only took a damn week and a half). Time to probe everything passing current. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[MEC-777]

So, question, how much would it cost to turbo a Prelude?

 

My friend has a 5th gen Prelude, and is wanting more power.

 

How much would it cost to properly turbo it and make maybe about 15PSI?

 

(Warring; here comes another wall of text, lol. Sorry.)

 

First off, it's a common misconception to say "I want to install a turbo and run X amount of boost". It doesn't work that way. What your friend needs to do first is decide how much power he wants and he needs to be reasonable about it. Before doing anything, you need to make sure the engine is in good health (doesn't burn excessive amounts of oil (this era of Honda motors all burned oil, it's normal), no knocking or ticking, check valve lash, check timing belt, etc.). Then if it's good, he can move on to the next step. Consider the following:

 

-The H22 engine in the Prelude is already somewhat high-strung as a high-revving high-output NA engine (200-220hp).

-This means it runs higher compression to start with which will limit how much [additional] power can be made with the stock internals.

 

Most engines can handle about a 40% increase in power above stock on the stock internals. For engines like the one in the Prelude, I would say more like 30% to be on the safe side. So we're looking at 260 to 280hp. Also keep in mind; this is a FWD car and for FWD anything much above about 260 is PLENTY. If he wants more power than that, you're looking at internals which is getting into big money - I'd say $5000+. 

 

Keeping things reasonable and sticking with stock internals, it could be done properly for under $2000. BUT (and this is a big but), that's if he does most or all of the work himself and knows where and how to get the right parts for very good prices. If you have further question about this, feel free to shoot me a PM. 

 

Now, moving along with the process, let's say he's cool with making 260-280hp. The next step is very important - properly sizing the turbo. I can't stress this enough; bigger IS NOT better! Especially if this is a street car, you want usable power not a dyno queen. There is a whole method to choosing the right turbo, but I won't get into it here as it's quite a drawn out process. But I can tell you from experience, a turbo with similar specs to that which is used on a stock WRX or base Lancer Evo (4G63) would be just about right for this engine and power target.

 

Once you have all necessary parts/components, you can assemble. I will stress this as well; do it right and do it right the first time. DO NOT cheap out on anything. Remember this: Fast, Reliable, Cheap. You can only pick 2 of those 3 things.  Avoid cheap ebay turbo kits and turbo manifolds from ebay like the plague! They are cheap for a reason. For a complete list of parts you would need, send me a PM.

 

You also have to consider engine management. You can go with a Megasquirt stand alone system, which is what I'd recommend. That will give you full control and incredible tuning granularity for a much lower cost compared to other more well known EMS's like AEM etc. which are overrated. The only thing is that MS is not as plug and play as other EMS's but if you don't mind learning how to do some wiring, that can be remedied. 

 

After you get everything put together and the EMS is ready go, it's time to tune. This is where you find out how much boost you need to run in order to reach your power target. This is why I said earlier you don't choose how much boost you want to run, you choose how much power you want to make. That, along with the specific turbo you use, will dictate how much boost is needed. It may take 8psi, it make take 15psi. Regardless, proper tuning is key and will play a big role in the reliability of the final product. 

 

A few more things to note: increasing power via forced induction is actually less stressful on internal components vs revving the engine at higher rpms. What causes damage with forced induction is the increased heat produced from the higher energy being released during combustion. This excessive heat can melt the piston if the heat build up is too great. This is why I also tell people doing such mods on stock internals to not run at WOT (wide open throttle) for prolonged periods of time. Going down the drag strip is fine because it's only for a few seconds. Drivetrain components like axles, trans and clutch need to be minded as well. Doing hard launches while producing significantly more torque over stock is not good for anything and unnecessary, really. Launch soft, then roll into the boost (this is one of the greatest feelings to experience as a car enthusiast).

 

I should probably stop there or I'll keep going on and on. lol. Any other questions, just send me a PM.

[Bananasplit_00]

Just got my Fluke (only took a damn week and a half). Time to probe everything passing current. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

TEST ALL THE THINGS!!!

[RevoltTrain]

(Warring; here comes another wall of text, lol. Sorry.)

 

First off, it's a common misconception to say "I want to install a turbo and run X amount of boost". It doesn't work that way. What your friend needs to do first is decide how much power he wants and he needs to be reasonable about it. Before doing anything, you need to make sure the engine is in good health (doesn't burn excessive amounts of oil (this era of Honda motors all burned oil, it's normal), no knocking or ticking, check valve lash, check timing belt, etc.). Then if it's good, he can move on to the next step. Consider the following:

 

-The H22 engine in the Prelude is already somewhat high-strung as a high-revving high-output NA engine (200-220hp).

-This means it runs higher compression to start with which will limit how much [additional] power can be made with the stock internals.

 

Most engines can handle about a 40% increase in power above stock on the stock internals. For engines like the one in the Prelude, I would say more like 30% to be on the safe side. So we're looking at 260 to 280hp. Also keep in mind; this is a FWD car and for FWD anything much above about 260 is PLENTY. If he wants more power than that, you're looking at internals which is getting into big money - I'd say $5000+. 

 

Keeping things reasonable and sticking with stock internals, it could be done properly for under $2000. BUT (and this is a big but), that's if he does most or all of the work himself and knows where and how to get the right parts for very good prices. If you have further question about this, feel free to shoot me a PM. 

 

Now, moving along with the process, let's say he's cool with making 260-280hp. The next step is very important - properly sizing the turbo. I can't stress this enough; bigger IS NOT better! Especially if this is a street car, you want usable power not a dyno queen. There is a whole method to choosing the right turbo, but I won't get into it here as it's quite a drawn out process. But I can tell you from experience, a turbo with similar specs to that which is used on a stock WRX or base Lancer Evo (4G63) would be just about right for this engine and power target.

 

Once you have all necessary parts/components, you can assemble. I will stress this as well; do it right and do it right the first time. DO NOT cheap out on anything. Remember this: Fast, Reliable, Cheap. You can only pick 2 of those 3 things.

 

You also have to consider engine management. You can go with a Megasquirt stand alone system, which is what I'd recommend. That will give you full control and incredible tuning granularity for a much lower cost compared to other more well known EMS's like AEM etc. which are overrated. The only thing is that MS is not as plug and play as other EMS's but if you don't mind learning how to do some wiring, that can be remedied. 

 

After you get everything put together and the EMS is ready go, it's time to tune. This is where you find out how much boost you need to run in order to reach your power target. This is why I said earlier you don't choose how much boost you want to run, you choose how much power you want to make. That, along with the specific turbo you use, will dictate how much boost is needed. It may take 8psi, it make take 15psi. Regardless, proper tuning is key and will play a big role in the reliability of the final product. 

 

One more thing to note: increasing power via forced induction is less stressful on internal components vs revving the engine at higher rpms. What causes damage with forced induction is the increased heat produced from the higher energy being released during combustion. This excessive heat can melt the piston if the heat build up is too great. This is why I also tell people doing such mods on stock internals to not run at WOT (wide open throttle) for prolonged periods of time. Going down the drag strip is fine because it's only for a few seconds. Drivetrain components like axles, trans and clutch need to be minded as well. Doing hard launches while producing significantly more torque over stock is not good for anything and unnecessary, really. Launch soft, then roll into the boost.

 

I should probably stop there or I'll keep going on and on. lol. Any other questions, shoot me a PM.

Damn. I'll link him your post so he has a better idea of what to expect

[GlassBomb]

TEST ALL THE THINGS!!!

 

Buys a Fluke for 1,700kr.

 

Uses it test batteries.

[Bananasplit_00]

Buys a Fluke for 1,700kr.

 

Uses it test batteries.

lol

[Guest Philosophy]

You know you love cars when they start to feel like a member of the family.

Yup all my cars are! It is hard to sell them, I look back on my older cars like you might a lost pet.