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[711jrp]

1 hour ago, Obioban said:

Needed a "few" parts for the manual conversion.

 

My e60 M5 ownership lasted all of four hours lol, to be fair we never got the manual option over here in the UK and the gearbox was the biggest turn off

[bcredeur97]

After a few months can I just say the ZF 8HP is so much better than the Aisin TR-80SD and I really wish they had used the ZF in the Touareg/cayenne/q7.

 

They did put a variant of the ZF 8HP in the Audi A6 and Q5 I believe with the 3.0L TDI engine. But the whole front axle situation is completely different in those cars. So even if you considered a swap it wouldn’t be simple 

 

it’s not that the aisin is bad! It’s just after experiencing the ZF, it kinda ruins everything else for you lol. There’s a reason they use that transmission in so many cars, it’s so good.

[vetali]

14 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

After a few months can I just say the ZF 8HP is so much better than the Aisin TR-80SD and I really wish they had used the ZF in the Touareg/cayenne/q7.

 

They did put a variant of the ZF 8HP in the Audi A6 and Q5 I believe with the 3.0L TDI engine. But the whole front axle situation is completely different in those cars. So even if you considered a swap it wouldn’t be simple 

 

it’s not that the aisin is bad! It’s just after experiencing the ZF, it kinda ruins everything else for you lol. There’s a reason they use that transmission in so many cars, it’s so good.

Gotta step up to a bimmer

 

or durango lol

 

ZF 8 speed is amazing. Easily my favorite torque converted auto. I like the ZF 9 speed in my passport, despite everyone else hating on it. Shifts smooth when granny driving, shifts firm if going full vtak. The updates they did in 2020 helped a ton with the jerky shifts.

[Bitter]

Fluid for those things is a big ooff tho, $25 a qt shop cost adds up when the trans takes 10qts! Just had one in a 3.6 Charger, that one with the missing fender. Trans line got knocked loose from the cooler and it pumped 2 gallons of $100 a gallon fluid out onto itself and the road. Thankfully it emptied fast enough there wasn't time to drive it with low fluid and damage it....as far as I can tell. New lines, new fluid, drove very nice. That is a nice trans indeed! First few blocks it was a little harsh learning it's adaptives but after that, yeah good feels. Smooth on light thottle, just enough firmness on harder throttle, quick to respond, didn't hunt too much.

[vetali]

When Honda ATF 3.1 first came out it was like 65 dollars a quart. Its down to 35ish now. It only takes 3.5 quarts though. Also a special fill procedure of letting the ATF warm up to like 92 degrees or something... idk. I only do that if I am doing an accessory cooler lol.

[iDeFecZx]

4 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

After a few months can I just say the ZF 8HP is so much better than the Aisin TR-80SD and I really wish they had used the ZF in the Touareg/cayenne/q7.

 

They did put a variant of the ZF 8HP in the Audi A6 and Q5 I believe with the 3.0L TDI engine. But the whole front axle situation is completely different in those cars. So even if you considered a swap it wouldn’t be simple 

 

it’s not that the aisin is bad! It’s just after experiencing the ZF, it kinda ruins everything else for you lol. There’s a reason they use that transmission in so many cars, it’s so good.

ZF8 is probably the best gearbox on the market today.

Somewhat related note I had the chance to try a manual M140i the other day and I'm so glad I went with the auto in mine

[JoaoPRSousa]

16 hours ago, Obioban said:

I'm either making a huge mistake or doing something awesome.

 

Very clearly the latter.

[Obioban]

15 hours ago, 711jrp said:

My e60 M5 ownership lasted all of four hours lol, to be fair we never got the manual option over here in the UK and the gearbox was the biggest turn off

Yeah, I have no interest in owning any sort of automatics.

 

That said, this swap should be every bit as viable in the UK as the USA-- it's an e9X M3 trans I'm sticking in it (same trans only the e9X has a fluid pump for a trans cooler-- I'm just blocking that off).

[Bitter]

4 hours ago, Obioban said:

Yeah, I have no interest in owning any sort of automatics.

 

That said, this swap should be every bit as viable in the UK as the USA-- it's an e9X M3 trans I'm sticking in it (same trans only the e9X has a fluid pump for a trans cooler-- I'm just blocking that off).

Inspection won't throw a fit that the VIN doesn't match what's in the vehicle?

[bcredeur97]

10 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Inspection won't throw a fit that the VIN doesn't match what's in the vehicle?

My state requires inspections but they are $20 and consist of someone walking to your car and just putting a new sticker on the windshield and telling you to have a good day 

[Obioban]

1 hour ago, Bitter said:

Inspection won't throw a fit that the VIN doesn't match what's in the vehicle?

Ha. No.

 

I will add the 6MT to the VO and recode the whole car, so all modules will be as if the trans was always manual-- no error codes.

 

Does any country care if the transmission is not what was originally there? I've manual swapped 5 different cars, and that never even crossed my mind...

[Bitter]

Europe and Japan tend to be a bit strict, I hear Germany is really bad. You need approval papers for everything that wasn't as it came from the factory, or so I've been told.

[Obioban]

1 minute ago, Bitter said:

Europe and Japan tend to be a bit strict, I hear Germany is really bad. You need approval papers for everything that wasn't as it came from the factory, or so I've been told.

I know of several manual swapped CSLs  in England that have no issues, and at least one e61 M5.

[iDeFecZx]

12 hours ago, Obioban said:

I know of several manual swapped CSLs  in England that have no issues, and at least one e61 M5.

Yeah we don't care here as long as it meets MOT standards. 

[711jrp]

On 3/24/2022 at 12:47 PM, Obioban said:

Yeah, I have no interest in owning any sort of automatics.

 

That said, this swap should be every bit as viable in the UK as the USA-- it's an e9X M3 trans I'm sticking in it (same trans only the e9X has a fluid pump for a trans cooler-- I'm just blocking that off).

I'd  100% consider a swap now but when I had mine they were still very new, the e9x wasn't even out yet, so I just got the best E39 I could find instead.

[Obioban]

7 hours ago, 711jrp said:

I'd  100% consider a swap now but when I had mine they were still very new, the e9x wasn't even out yet, so I just got the best E39 I could find instead.

It's absurd how different cars the e60 M5 and e39 M5 are (I have both). 

[711jrp]

28 minutes ago, Obioban said:

It's absurd how different cars the e60 M5 and e39 M5 are (I have both). 

For sure the E60 is quite a departure from the E39, it's like the whole design philosophy changed. I also have a E61 535d that shares daily duty with a v10 Treg and I can't fault those two at all, sadly I'm going to be forced to get rid of the E61 due to new emission laws coming here next year. 

 

[bcredeur97]

2 hours ago, 711jrp said:

For sure the E60 is quite a departure from the E39, it's like the whole design philosophy changed. I also have a E61 535d that shares daily duty with a v10 Treg and I can't fault those two at all, sadly I'm going to be forced to get rid of the E61 due to new emission laws coming here next year. 

 

Can you elaborate on that last part? I’m curious 

[711jrp]

49 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Can you elaborate on that last part? I’m curious 

Sure

In a nutshell local government here in London are planning on rolling out ULEZ which is the ultra low emission zone across the whole of London early next year. This means any none blue motion Diesel cars and older petrol cars will have to pay a daily charge to use them. To use an old diesel per day will cost me £15 ($19.79) congestion charge plus a ulez charge £12.50 ($16.49) that's before I even get into the fuel cost which was £166 ($218) today to fill up the Treg

[bcredeur97]

48 minutes ago, 711jrp said:

Sure

In a nutshell local government here in London are planning on rolling out ULEZ which is the ultra low emission zone across the whole of London early next year. This means any none blue motion Diesel cars and older petrol cars will have to pay a daily charge to use them. To use an old diesel per day will cost me £15 ($19.79) congestion charge plus a ulez charge £12.50 ($16.49) that's before I even get into the fuel cost which was £166 ($218) today to fill up the Treg

-snip-

$20 a day because you drive an old car that won’t be on the road really all that much longer. Smh 

 

why can’t they just develop new things and let the old things naturally go away? Lol 

[AlwaysFSX]

4 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

$20 a day because you drive an old car that won’t be on the road really all that much longer. Smh 

 

why can’t they just develop new things and let the old things naturally go away? Lol 

[711jrp]

3 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

$20 a day because you drive an old car that won’t be on the road really all that much longer. Smh 

 

why can’t they just develop new things and let the old things naturally go away? Lol 

In truth admitting I'm a cynical guy I think they know a a big percentage of people won't be able to afford to upgrade and will just have to pay the charge, It's just a cash grab.

[Bitter]

K so how much is my warranty paying and can I drive it for the weekend?

[Bitter]

BleepingComputer: Honda bug lets a hacker unlock and start your car via replay attack. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/honda-bug-lets-a-hacker-unlock-and-start-your-car-via-replay-attack/

 

I guess Honda needs some new IT guys. I mean come on, even garage door openers have had rolling codes for almost 20 years.

[711jrp]

3 minutes ago, Bitter said:

BleepingComputer: Honda bug lets a hacker unlock and start your car via replay attack. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/honda-bug-lets-a-hacker-unlock-and-start-your-car-via-replay-attack/

 

I guess Honda needs some new IT guys. I mean come on, even garage door openers have had rolling codes for almost 20 years.

They've been able to get most of the key-less BMW's an VW's using a laptop over here for quite a while. I'm no expert by any means but from what I understand the laptop doesn't grab  a code and send it, it acts as a range extender so the key performs a handshake with the car even though it is still in the house.