E7500 CPU or Athlon ii x2 2800

[Akamii]

would Core 2Duo E7500 bottleneck a GT 1030 ?

[sazrocks]

What games?

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

3 minutes ago, Akamii said:

would Core 2Duo E7500 bottleneck a GT 1030 ?

Probably not. The GT 1030 isn't going to crush any benchmarks anyways. 

[Canada EH]

3 minutes ago, Akamii said:

would Core 2Duo E7500 bottleneck a GT 1030 ?

Not with Tetris or Solitaire.

 

1 minute ago, sazrocks said:

What games?

 

[KarathKasun]

Yes.

 

C2D CPUs are going to bottleneck any GPU from the last three to four generations.

 

I have a workstation with dual Core 2 Quad Q6700 equivalent CPUs and a slightly newer one with Q9650 equivalent CPUs, and both of them strangle anything more than a R5 240, R7 250, or GT 640.

[Akamii]

1 hour ago, Canada EH said:

Not with Tetris or Solitaire.

 

 

any games.. bf1, gtav, black desert, league of legends, fifa 18 etc.

[Akamii]

i know they both are pretty old but which one is better? specially if you gonna use it with GT 1030 ?

[m0k]

E7500, only because it will allow for a cheap core2quad as well 

[Jurrunio]

Athlon x2 because it's faster, E7500 because you can upgrade to 4 core Q6600 with the same mobo (usually). I'd probably recommend the Athlon though since it's better to use another platform when you upgrade the CPU again.

[Vegetable]

1 hour ago, Akamii said:

any games.. bf1, gtav, black desert, league of legends, fifa 18 etc.

you wont be running those games with that CPU. I can tell you that. 1030 might be able to but not that poor c2d. they need to go in the antique bin at this point

[Akamii]

9 hours ago, Vegetable said:

you wont be running those games with that CPU. I can tell you that. 1030 might be able to but not that poor c2d. they need to go in the antique bin at this point

im actually runnning them with athlon ii x2 280 ..

[Akamii]

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Athlon x2 because it's faster, E7500 because you can upgrade to 4 core Q6600 with the same mobo (usually). I'd probably recommend the Athlon though since it's better to use another platform when you upgrade the CPU again.

Q9400 is better than them both and wont bottleneck a gt 1030 right?

[agent_x007]

If you got E7500, check if MB supports Xeon Quad Core or OC'ed Q6600/Q6700.
Quad Core > Dual Core in 2018.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Akamii said:

Q9400 is better than them both and wont bottleneck a gt 1030 right?

Yes, you can use  1050ti with it and it will be balanced

 

Q6600 overclocks better with P43/P45 mobo though thanks to higher core clock multiplier.

[ProximaOfZeal]

For those 2 CPUs I'd say it doesn't really matter. As for the quad core, with Athlon II he should be able to put a Phenom ii x4 or depending on the motherboard even x6. I guess it really comes down to what is cheaper.

 

On the other hand, he shouldn't really be buying a PC this old with the thought of upgrading a CPU in the future, as the upgrade will still be mediocre at best, compared to modern platforms.

[Akamii]

4 hours ago, ProximaOfZeal said:

For those 2 CPUs I'd say it doesn't really matter. As for the quad core, with Athlon II he should be able to put a Phenom ii x4 or depending on the motherboard even x6. I guess it really comes down to what is cheaper.

 

On the other hand, he shouldn't really be buying a PC this old with the thought of upgrading a CPU in the future, as the upgrade will still be mediocre at best, compared to modern platforms.

well, so Phenom ii x4 965 or Q9400 ?

[Akamii]

5 hours ago, agent_x007 said:

If you got E7500, check if MB supports Xeon Quad Core or OC'ed Q6600/Q6700.
Quad Core > Dual Core in 2018.

its socket is T aka 775 so im sure it does, its g41

[ProximaOfZeal]

1 hour ago, Akamii said:

well, so Phenom ii x4 965 or Q9400 ?

If it's about budget, then it really just comes down to whichever build you can put together cheaper. At stock speeds the Phenom wins hands down, but then you can find a Q9400 at like 1/3 the price of the Phenom. For the price of a good Phenom build you could probably have a 1st gen i5 or even i7 system.

 

There's also a possibility of putting a LGA771 Xeon in the LGA775 socket, it lowers the CPU price even further. I don't have experience with that, though, so you need to do your own research in how to mod the the Xeon and what motherboards would be compatible with such CPU. Saving just a few $ on that is probably not worth the hassle of putting it all together and worrying about compatibility, though.

[Akamii]

1 hour ago, ProximaOfZeal said:

If it's about budget, then it really just comes down to whichever build you can put together cheaper. At stock speeds the Phenom wins hands down, but then you can find a Q9400 at like 1/3 the price of the Phenom. For the price of a good Phenom build you could probably have a 1st gen i5 or even i7 system.

 

There's also a possibility of putting a LGA771 Xeon in the LGA775 socket, it lowers the CPU price even further. I don't have experience with that, though, so you need to do your own research in how to mod the the Xeon and what motherboards would be compatible with such CPU. Saving just a few $ on that is probably not worth the hassle of putting it all together and worrying about compatibility, though.

then i guess i will just buy a Q9400 and gt 1030

[KarathKasun]

10 hours ago, Akamii said:

im actually runnning them with athlon ii x2 280 ..

Ive got a Phenom II x2 550, I can use DSR @ 4k on my 750 Ti and still not use 100% GPU in some games because the CPU is limiting performance.

 

Newer titles make these old chips choke, hard.

[Zodiark1593]

21 hours ago, Akamii said:

any games.. bf1, gtav, black desert, league of legends, fifa 18 etc.

GTA, BF1 and other new AAA titles are quite overambitious for such an old cpu. Older games such as League of Legends, or perhaps even newer indie titles like A Hat In Time should run to a reasonable degree 

[Morgan Everett]

On 16/02/2018 at 10:26 PM, Akamii said:

would Core 2Duo E7500 bottleneck a GT 1030 ?

Yes. Don't use that CPU for any gaming workload.

[Princess Luna]

On 2/16/2018 at 8:38 PM, KarathKasun said:

C2D CPUs are going to bottleneck any GPU from the last three to four generations.

You're wrong, the E7500 can run a GTX 560 Ti perfectly fine, I know it from experience, the GT 1030 is a tiny bit slower therefore it is a "balanced" pairing.

 

Obviously it is not a powerful CPU and requires to all side stuff to be closed only game running and it is not a high refresh rate solution but it will game at 60fps on just about every thing if you adjust the settings enough with the intended GPU.

[KarathKasun]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

You're wrong, the E7500 can run a GTX 560 Ti perfectly fine, I know it from experience, the GT 1030 is a tiny bit slower therefore it is a "balanced" pairing.

 

Obviously it is not a powerful CPU and requires to all side stuff to be closed only game running and it is not a high refresh rate solution but it will game at 60fps on just about every thing if you adjust the settings enough with the intended GPU.

Im right, Im running one RIGHT NOW.  GPU utilization in the 50-70% range on a R5 240 (significantly weaker than a GTX 560 Ti).  There are games that are flat-out unplayable because the CPU is so slow, sub 30 fps with the GPU idling because the CPU cant feed the GPU enough work.  With an OC, 30 FPS may be a reasonable target in some games.  You will never see 60FPS outside of really small areas in specific games.  OG Borderlands cant even maintain 60FPS, and will see dips to ~20FPS when there is a firefight.

 

I have a few C2Q Xeon workstations that are dual CPU, 8 cores/threads, 3ghz.  They do better than the dual core in newer games, but still run into a brick wall with most games.  The IPC is so low that the primary game thread cant run fast enough for even well threaded modern game engines to leverage the core count.

 

C2D/C2Q, at their best, are ~30% slower than SB IPC wise, and they have significantly lower clocks on top of that raw performance deficit.

[Akamii]

On 2/18/2018 at 1:39 AM, Strike105X said:

BDO is going to run horrible though both on that gpu and cpu...

not worse than my current Athlon 280 + hd 7730 i believe.