Posted January 14, 2018 Buying new when you can buy old for like literally 75% off the new latest gen price. I just dont get it. Most people dont even use the FULL capability of their pc. I cant believe how much prices have dropped for older 4th gen intel cpu pc's. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7400/2604vs3886 http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7500/2604vs3648 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Canada EH said: User benchmark is really not useful Besides you'd likely want to find an i7 minimum for the long haul, or just buy an R5 1400/1600 I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly... Spoiler What is your budget/country for your new PC? what monitor resolution/refresh rate? What games or other software do you need to run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Author 4 minutes ago, Streetguru said: User benchmark is really not useful Besides you'd likely want to find an i7 minimum for the long haul, or just buy an R5 1400/1600 Then whats a good website to compare cpu's? I thought that one was decent I'd rather spend $200 or $300 rather then $1000 any day of the week, all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Canada EH said: Then whats a good website to compare cpu's? I thought that one was decent I'd rather spend $200 or $300 rather then $1000 any day of the week, all year long. new i5's aren't a thousand dollars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Because people enjoy having warranties. Newer boards have better features, and honestly, look a better. Prices haven't dropped low enough IMO. Take a look at the i3 8100. It's just as good as most older i5's, and ridiculously cheap. CPU: Ryzen 9 5900 Cooler: EVGA CLC280 Motherboard: Gigabyte B550i Pro AX RAM: Kingston Hyper X 32GB 3200mhz Storage: WD 750 SE 500GB, WD 730 SE 1TB GPU: EVGA RTX 3070 Ti PSU: Corsair SF750 Case: Streacom DA2 Monitor: LG 27GL83B Mouse: Razer Basilisk V2 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Speakers: Mackie CR5BT MiniPC - Sold for $100 Profit Spoiler CPU: Intel i3 4160 Cooler: Integrated Motherboard: Integrated RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 16GB DDR3 Storage: Transcend MSA370 128GB GPU: Intel 4400 Graphics PSU: Integrated Case: Shuttle XPC Slim Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Budget Rig 1 - Sold For $750 Profit Spoiler CPU: Intel i5 7600k Cooler: CryOrig H7 Motherboard: MSI Z270 M5 RAM: Crucial LPX 16GB DDR4 Storage: Intel S3510 800GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 980 PSU: Corsair CX650M Case: EVGA DG73 Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red OG Gaming Rig - Gone Spoiler CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970 PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Regardless of website...most humans dont use their pc to its fullest...i dare say a lot of people in this forum do though CPU: Ryzen 7 2700x cooled by Pure Rock Slim // RAM: Gskill Flare X 3200mhz CL14 2x16 32GB// GPU: Powercolor Red Devil RX 6650 XT 8GB// Motherboard: ASRock B450m Pro 4 // PSU: Seasonic G550 Gold 80+ // Storage: 4TB pcie nvme game drive, 512 GB m.2 sata3 OS Drive, 4 TB WD Red HDD // Monitor: Samsung S22D300 21.5" 1080p 60Hz, MSI 27" 1080p 144hz Freesync 1ms display // Peripherals: Logitech fancy shmancy keyboard and moise with rgb and gaminess stuff, very fancy | Kingston HyperX Cloud Core headset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Author I cant see how a 4th gen intel pc for a couple hundred dollar bills isnt a great deal compared to buying a $1000 newest greatest blah blah blah. AAA titles is why, the fps race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Canada EH said: Then whats a good website to compare cpu's? for gaming? Benchmarks I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly... Spoiler What is your budget/country for your new PC? what monitor resolution/refresh rate? What games or other software do you need to run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Author I will buy $300 Alex Trebec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Canada EH said: I cant see how a 4th gen intel pc for a couple hundred dollar bills isnt a great deal compared to buying a $1000 newest greatest blah blah blah. AAA titles is why, the fps race. Because outside of DDR4 pricing, AM4 is just a better platform to have for the long run IMO, and you can get 6c/12t for under $200 Where as you're stuck on 4c/4t or just stuck on an older platform in general. I edit my posts a lot, Twitter is @LordStreetguru just don't ask PC questions there mostly... Spoiler What is your budget/country for your new PC? what monitor resolution/refresh rate? What games or other software do you need to run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Author 4 minutes ago, Streetguru said: gen I'd say the majority of people, the majority of households do not need much more then 4th gen i5 or i7, even if they want their children to play a few nice decent AAA games. I do agree, its better to spend an extra $100 and buy the i7, so then yes it will be a $300 pc compared to a $1000 but more likely a $1100 pc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 It depends on what you're doing. Ryzen/Coffelake are an excellent way to go but if you can get a pre-built cheap enough then go for it. My laptop broke and I'm using an ivy bridge i5 with a GTX 750ti. Cost me £110 in total and is fine till I build a new computer. HP said "yeah shipping damage is outside our warranty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 I don't like buying used personally, mainly because to many non-tech people want like 75-90% of what the computer cost when it was new and so the new shit is only like a 100 bucks more and is better overall, besides who cares about cost, the new hardware can pay for itself inside of the first year by using your GPU to mine with. I just ordered 2 more GPU's so I could double my earnings per day, I'll have the computer and the new cards cost covered in 3-4 months at current daily earnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Not every country has the same availability. Believe it or not, there are close to none decent used hardware at a decent price where i live. Recently i saw a few used 750Tis that were 10 to 20% more expensive than a NEW 1030. One guy selling a used 5930K at the same price you can buy a NEW 1600X Its quite sad in south america, you either find Phenoms or overpriced used shit just coins apart from new equivalent pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Because you can. Because warranties, Because That amazing feeling when unboxing something brand new you purchased yourself and worked towards, Because you just want the "latest and greatest", etc Use this guide to fix text problems in your post. Go here and here for all your power supply needs New Build Currently Under Construction! See here!!!! -----> Spoiler Deathwatch:[CPU I7 4790K @ 4.5GHz][RAM TEAM VULCAN 16 GB 1600][MB ASRock Z97 Anniversary][GPU XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB][STORAGE 250GB SAMSUNG EVO SSD Samsung 2TB HDD 2TB WD External Drive][COOLER Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo][PSU Cooler Master 650M][Case Thermaltake Core V31] Spoiler Cupid:[CPU Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33GHz][RAM 3 GB DDR2][750GB Samsung 2.5" HDD/HDD Seagate 80GB SATA/Samsung 80GB IDE/WD 325GB IDE][MB Acer M1641][CASE Antec][[PSU Altec 425 Watt][GPU Radeon HD 4890 1GB][TP-Link 54MBps Wireless Card] Spoiler Carlile: [CPU 2x Pentium 3 1.4GHz][MB ASUS TR-DLS][RAM 2x 512MB DDR ECC Registered][GPU Nvidia TNT2 Pro][PSU Enermax][HDD 1 IDE 160GB, 4 SCSI 70GB][RAID CARD Dell Perc 3] Spoiler Zeonnight [CPU AMD Athlon x2 4400][GPU Sapphire Radeon 4650 1GB][RAM 2GB DDR2] Spoiler Server [CPU 2x Xeon L5630][PSU Dell Poweredge 850w][HDD 1 SATA 160GB, 3 SAS 146GB][RAID CARD Dell Perc 6i] Spoiler Kero [CPU Pentium 1 133Mhz] [GPU Cirrus Logic LCD 1MB Graphics Controller] [Ram 48MB ][HDD 1.4GB Hitachi IDE] Spoiler Mining Rig: [CPU Athlon 64 X2 4400+][GPUS 9 RX 560s, 2 RX 570][HDD 160GB something][RAM 8GBs DDR3][PSUs 1 Thermaltake 700w, 2 Delta 900w 120v Server modded] RAINBOWS!!! QUOTE ME SO I CAN SEE YOUR REPLYS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 You...you...hhhhhhhhhhh *Facepalm Gaming Mouse Buying Guide (Technical Terms,Optical vs Laser,Mice Recommendation,Popular Mouse Sensor,Etc) [LOGITECH G402 REVIEW] I love Dark Souls lore, Mice and Milk tea Praise The Sun! \[T]/ I can conquer the world with one hand,As long as you hold the other -Unknown Its better to enjoy your own company than expecting someone to make you happy -Mr Bean No one is going to be with you forever,One day u'll have to walk alone -Hiromi aoki (avery) BUT the one who love us never really leave us,You can always find them here ♥ -Sirius Black Don't pity the dead,Pity the living and above all those who live without love -Albus Dumbledore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, faziten said: One guy selling a used 5930K at the same price you can buy a NEW 1600X Holy shit, send me a link! Lucky bastard, I'd love to have a 6c/12t with 40 pcie lanes capable or 4.6ghz for that little Want to custom loop? Ask me more if you are curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 The used hardware may not have been handled properly and or over abused to the point it is at the end of its useful life cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Listen buddy, I see this a lot. People will take 2 processors from different generations, usually 2 i5's or 2 i3's and use userbenchmark to compare them. What they (and you) fail to take into account is the market segmentation of these cpu lines! There are usually only 3 i7's for the mainstream but half a dozen i3's and a hefty number of i5's Your example: 4690 (3.3ghz) vs 7400 (3ghz) 1% better 4690 (3.3ghz) vs 7500 (3.4ghz) 10% better You DIDN'T compare the 4690 to its actual competitor, the 7600. You compare the fastest locked i5 from fourth gen to the second and third slowest in 7th gen. 4690 (3.3ghz) vs 7600 (3.5ghz) 20% better Once you compare in the proper product stacks, not just putting best versus worst it is a lot more compelling to upgrade. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7600/2604vs3890 Want to custom loop? Ask me more if you are curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, Damascus said: Holy shit, send me a link! Lucky bastard, I'd love to have a 6c/12t with 40 pcie lanes capable or 4.6ghz for that little i believe you got the wrong price. Here everything has a 50% import tax so "That little" its not actually that little at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, faziten said: i believe you got the wrong price. Here everything has a 50% import tax so "That little" its not actually that little at all. Your statement implies that a 1600x bnib price is fair, if the price of a 1600x is fair and the same price 5930k outclasses it in every way it's still a good deal. Want to custom loop? Ask me more if you are curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 The argument still stands that people are selling their hardware for pretty much 90% of their new price when it was released for putting that crap "OBO" when you can buy something better just for a bit more while just saving the sales tax. Yeah I have the choice of not buying their stuff but still seeing a used 780 cost less than 960 is a joke. I'd be lucky to get used hardware for 50% of their old price, it was nice seeing Scrapyard Wars, but really rare to actually get deals that good like a pair of 980 Tis for $500 CAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Canada EH said: I cant see how a 4th gen intel pc for a couple hundred dollar bills isnt a great deal compared to buying a $1000 newest greatest blah blah blah. AAA titles is why, the fps race. I disagree with you until we get to RAM pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 Author So your line of thinking is because you get a warranty its better to buy new. I do agree some countries have different markets. Argentina, if you gotta buy new you gotta buy new and within your country. Most people live in North America and Europe and Australia, do they really need to play whatever the best game is at 422fps? Well I say no. If you can afford to waste your money because you are rich, then go for it. I say most people can not afford to waste their money. Spending $500 or $800 on a gpu for gaming, what a waste. People do what they do though. Mining isnt a large percentage of people out in the real world. The people here at LTT will gladly spend parents money without a care. Or blow their month paycheck because they are living with their parents. There is nothing wrong with that. To me its not sane. Yeah buy an old 4th gen pc for $300 or new for $1000 or $1100. The vast amount of people do not mine, and the majority of people dont need an expensive gpu just for gaming. I just picked some random cpus. Quote 4690 to its actual competitor, the 7600 still man, I'd rather pay $300cdn for a used pc then $1100 for a new pc. No one needs to fall for the lie that oh you get a warranty, that is worth $800 increase in price. Or, oh you get better performance, well performance for what? email, internet a few games, big deal. You dont need the latest and greatest. A 4th gen intel can play games just fine. You do not need the newest model. Thats the automotive way of thinking and why people buy new cars, oh because you get a warranty hahahahahahaha I gotta laugh at that. Do you buy the extra warranty for parts when you buy them new? If so good for you. My brother makes a shit ton of cash, family cabin out on the lake with pool, shine of parents life, 1080ti, newest intel pc, nice house, nice wheels, kids, this that and the other. He is running around trying to please his boss so he doesnt get fired, so he doesnt lose his 3500sq ft $800k house or miss the alimony payments so the ex doesnt go after the family cabin, so he can travel with his new woman to far off places. So he can give his children the newest shit. Whats the newest Nintendo, hey good for them and Good for him! How much does one person and his family really need? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3070676/America-s-largest-home-nicknamed-Versailles-brink-owner-s-wife-wants-make-BIGGER.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Canada EH said: How much does one person and his family really need? My understanding of this conversation was to debate the pros and cons of purchasing old used pc hardware versus new pc hardware. Consequently, I am concerned about price point, performance, return on investment, compatibility, reliability, and will it not have an annoying discrepancy or deficiency. When I make a purchase decision, I want it to be the best possible purchase and not to have to repurchase and or feel remorse for my decision. What ever a person's decision, unless it directly affects me, I should acknowledge their right to chose and move on. I recently purchased a refurbished laptop. It is a business class laptop that originally came with Window 8. The LED display has a slight yellow tinge. I think someone must have cleaned the display with an ammonia and or alcohol based CRT cleaner. I would never dream of trying to play the latest graphics intensive and recent memory games on it. However, when I finally save enough money for a new gaming rig and the CPU security spaghetti patching is over, I want something that will play the latest releases at the best quality. The last may be wishful thinking. We live in uncertain times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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