The IEEE 802.3bs Ethernet Specification has arrived - Possible 400Gbps - Wow...

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, Dabombinable said:

I was talking about Gigabit ethernet.

Yeah and this topic is about 400 gigabit in switches. The 1 gigabit being rare comment is gigabit internet. 

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

gigabit internet vs gigabit lan port. Two completely different things. 

It's funny because this is really more applicable to datacenters and top layer distribution, going to be basically zero effect at all on general internet.

[mynameisjuan]

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

It's funny because this is really more applicable to datacenters and top layer distribution, going to be basically zero effect at all on general internet.

Yeah his point was gig being rare in ports when the comment was meant rare as in internet. 

 

This is meant more for trunks IMO. But yeah has zero to do with improving internet speeds. 

[Lurick]

A lot of web companies are pushing hard for 400Gb in the datacenter so I just hope I can get me some juicy 400Gb Spirent traffic cards in the lab before too long

 

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Speaking of switches, there aren't any currently on the market that I'm aware of with 200Gb or 400Gb interfaces, curious to see who will be first on that and what issues they might see. I think I remember seeing a couple single or dual port linecards for some ONT boxes but I want high scale

[Dabombinable]

16 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Yeah and this topic is about 400 gigabit in switches. The 1 gigabit being rare comment is gigabit internet. 

Still not seeing how Gigabit internet was being referred to in the OP.

[mynameisjuan]

5 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Still not seeing how Gigabit internet was being referred to in the OP.

The comment on how gigabit is still rare refers to internet...then you referred to how gig has been in your laptop for a while which is apples and oranges. 

[Dabombinable]

10 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

The comment on how gigabit is still rare refers to internet...then you referred to how gig has been in your laptop for a while which is apples and oranges. 

My point was...that its been around for a long time and I'm surprised that its still rare in the computers in some places. And there was no reference to the internet at all in the OP.
 

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Ethernet hasn't really moved in the "Public" space of 10Gbps for a while. Heck, even 1Gbps is rare to see in the various places.

 

[suicidalfranco]

noice. Time for me to upgrade to 10Gbps

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

My point was...that its been around for a long time and I'm surprised that its still rare in the computers in some places. And there was no reference to the internet at all in the OP.
 

 

But its not rare in public spaces. Like at all. Devices that are 100megabit are because they will never use more than that. 

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, mynameisjuan said:

But its not rare in public spaces. Like at all. Devices that are 100megabit are because they will never use more than that. 

Hence I said after thinking on it for a bit:

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Still don't get how 1Gbps is rare.....

 

[Maticks]

working for a telco myself, this is great news not for telco's to purchased 400Gbps but 100Gbps switches to come down in price.

They are Millions because of the backplane required for multiple ports.

Most Telco's are still running on many 40Gbps based services, 100Gbps switches are too expensive to justify. 

[DocSwag]

2 hours ago, Alexp10v2 said:

True - but theoretically it would be possible.

Not even close. These speeds are high enough to completely saturate dual channel DDR4 at 2400 Mhz. There's no way you could get an SSD to write stuff this fast. You would need at least like 20 Optane SSDs in RAID 0 to get even close. That's not even to mention you'll probably hit a CPU bottleneck way before that.

[Lurick]

36 minutes ago, Maticks said:

working for a telco myself, this is great news not for telco's to purchased 400Gbps but 100Gbps switches to come down in price.

They are Millions because of the backplane required for multiple ports.

Most Telco's are still running on many 40Gbps based services, 100Gbps switches are too expensive to justify. 

At least from what I've seen in the data center space with how quickly 100Gb ports have dropped in price to nearly match 40Gb port cost, I wouldn't be surprised if some ISPs entertained the idea of maybe, at least in certain areas, skipping 100Gb all together and waiting to see how 200Gb and 400Gb play out. Arguably service provider gear does cost more since it's more feature rich in regards to a lot of data center gear but who knows how things will shake out.

[NumLock21]

A product that's ready for that  400GbE connection

https://www.broadcom.com/company/news/product-releases/2323373

[EnergyEclipse]

4 hours ago, tryhard techy1169 said:

hopefully within the next 2 years big data centers and ISP's will be upgrading to this standard and making bandwidth caps laughable. once this is adopted it will likely mean consumers get better speeds and everything moves that much faster. very exciting times! now if only fiber deployment would speed along then we all would never have to worry about internet speeds again!

I do wish it was like this D:

[Guest]

It will become mainstream when Apple adopts it.

[Dabombinable]

12 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

It will become mainstream when Apple adopts it.

Well....its going to be a long wait then because they don't even have 10Gbps Ethernet without a thunderbolt 2 adapter (with the one on their site costing $949.95 AUD https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/HFJX2X/A/promise-sanlink2-thunderbolt-2-to-10-gbs-ethernet-adapter).

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Well....its going to be a long wait then because they don't even have 10Gbps Ethernet without a thunderbolt 2 adapter (with the one on their site costing $949.95 AUD https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/HFJX2X/A/promise-sanlink2-thunderbolt-2-to-10-gbs-ethernet-adapter).

The iMac Pro has 10 gigabit.

[WelshDdraig]

4 hours ago, gabrielcarvfer said:

 

 

I just couldn't think of a way to put it, when I typed it, sub-protocols came to mind. Thanks for the info.

[Dabombinable]

3 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

The iMac Pro has 10 gigabit.

Cripes. $7,299 to over $20,000 fully optioned out......ok that reduces the time frame a bit but still-its going to be a while until it hits consumer iMac/Macbook.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Cripes. $7,299 to over $20,000 fully optioned out......ok that reduces the time frame a bit but still-its going to be a while until it hits consumer iMac/Macbook.

Definitely - but Apple is certianly a 'trend setter'. We should expect the cost to lower once (and really only once cause Apple) other companies get on it.

[Guest DeWat4]

5 hours ago, Alexp10v2 said:

Heck, even 1Gbps is rare to see in the various places.

1Gbps internet is actually super cheap where I live.  For $80 USD, I get 1Gbps internet from AT&T.

[leadeater]

33 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Definitely - but Apple is certianly a 'trend setter'. We should expect the cost to lower once (and really only once cause Apple) other companies get on it.

There's been gaming motherboards for a while already with 10Gb, trend setting Apple is not in the desktop space anymore. Then there is the Asus 10Gb switch that came out a short while ago. 10Gb hasn't been a thing because there hasn't been any consumer 10Gb switches simple as that, iMac Pro is getting plugged in to much more expensive 10Gb switches than the aforementioned Asus switch.

 

Edit:

Apple doing things makes people interested in Apple aware of said technology then they start to notice it more, hey presto Apple started something. Nope just unaware till you cared to look .

[leadeater]

5 hours ago, Lurick said:

Speaking of switches, there aren't any currently on the market that I'm aware of with 200Gb or 400Gb interfaces

Totally going to be D-Link first.... NOT. My actual guess would be Mellanox.

https://www.enterprisetech.com/2017/07/06/400gb-open-ethernet-switch-mellanox/

 

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Spectrum-2 provides Ethernet connectivity for up to 16 ports of 400GbE, 32 ports of 200GbE, 64 ports of 100GbE and 128 ports of 50GbE and 25GbE, and enables, according to Mellanox, port density designed to build switch platforms for cloud, hyperscale, enterprise datacenter, big data, artificial intelligence, financial and storage, among other applications.

 

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SN3700
32-port Non-blocking 200GbE Open Ethernet Spine Switch System 

http://www.mellanox.com/page/products_dyn?product_family=280&mtag=sn3000_label

http://www.mellanox.com/related-docs/prod_eth_switches/BR_SN3000_Series.pdf

[Guest]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

There's been gaming motherboards for a while already with 10Gb, trend setting Apple is not in the desktop space anymore. Then there is the Asus 10Gb switch that came out a short while ago. 10Gb hasn't been a thing because there hasn't been any consumer 10Gb switches simple as that, iMac Pro is getting plugged in to much more expensive 10Gb switches than the aforementioned Asus switch.

 

Edit:

Apple doing things makes people interested in Apple aware of said technology then they start to notice it more, hey presto Apple started something. Nope just unaware till you cared to look .

There’s a big difference between having a solution and popularising it. Whether people like it or not Apple is always at the forefront for marketing these new technologies, even though it’s been out for a while. Although with Ethernet and Wifi etc it’s inevitable.