Should I still stay on lga1150

[Matsii]

So basically I'm pretty sure my mobo died last night. Have been tinkering and testing with it the whole morning for naught. So now I'm at crossroads. Should I stay on 1150 platform and just buy a new mobo if I can still find one or should I finally upgrade. Current setup is i7-4790, and16gb ddr3. I could just buy high end lga1150 mobo and try to flip my locked i7 to a unlocked one and game on without a care in the world. But then I basically upgraded both mobo and processor anyway, so might as well upgrade the rams as well and change to a newer platform. Any ideas or recommendations for what to do?

[Jurrunio]

Depends on the price of B85/B95 mobo. If they are cheap then just stay. If they are expensive or rare then upgrade. Your budget is also a factor

[Guest]

If you were to upgrade now, what would your budget be? Keep in mind you can flip your 4790 and RAM for a decent amount.

[cj09beira]

there are some b85 boards that can overclock btw, i had a i5 4690k on a b85 pro gamer from asus and had my cpu at 4.5ghz (max allowed multiplier is 45 though)

[Blackhole890]

your budget and depending what do you do with your computer... In my case, i'd get an used mobo

[Ordinarily_Greater]

3 minutes ago, Blackhole890 said:

your budget and depending what do you do with your computer... In my case, i'd get an used mobo

Yeah i agree, but check for bent pins (that is rare but it can be bothering) in the motherboard

[Matsii]

1 hour ago, LeinadTM said:

If you were to upgrade now, what would your budget be? Keep in mind you can flip your 4790 and RAM for a decent amount.

hmm, I think that I could use up to 600-700euros but the less I can spend the better. I just would like to get this done quickly, cause I don't have a secondary pc atm. That's why I'm thinking 'bout just getting a new mobo now and trying to flip my 4790 to K version later. ddr4 is expensive af atm so I'm hesitating on the platform upgrade.

 

1 hour ago, Blackhole890 said:

your budget and depending what do you do with your computer... In my case, i'd get an used mobo

The used market here in finland ain't that big tho. If I could then I probably would try to find a used one. And budget shouldn't be a problem. Just within reason of course. Maybe up to 700euros.

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Matsii said:

hmm, I think that I could use up to 600-700euros but the less I can spend the better. I just would like to get this done quickly, cause I don't have a secondary pc atm. That's why I'm thinking 'bout just getting a new mobo now and trying to flip my 4790 to K version later. ddr4 is expensive af atm so I'm hesitating on the platform upgrade.

Fair call on the DDR4 prices. What GPU do you currently have? You could potentially keep that if you were to upgrade.

[bowrilla]

Those 4790 cpus are great. Z97 boards cost about 100€ give or take at the moment in Europe. 4790k CPUs cost between like 280 (if you're lucky) or up to 350€. Non-k 4790s are worth between 180€ and up to like 220€, those are the top of the line chips on LGA1150, so there's a market. Even 16GB of DDR3 memory comes at another ~100€.

Let's say you switch platform now.

 

costs:
CPU: ~320€ 
Memory: ~150€
Mainboard: ~130€

cooler: ~60€ (depending cooler-compatibility, if yours is compatible with LGA1151, forget about this)
sub-total: ~660€ (ish, give or take depending choice of components)

revenues:
CPU: ~200€
Memory: ~100€
sub-total: ~300€

total costs: 360€ (incl. cooler)

Example build (you could go cheaper on board and maybe RAM if you accept slower modules):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€329.99 @ ARLT) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€137.45 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €690.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-04 15:31 CET+0100

What's the alternative? Just to buy a new board. It's pretty hard to find non-Z chipset boards used for LGA1150 in my experience so you're better off looking for Z97 boards then. There's definitely a market for them so they'll cost you about 100€ (if not more). Switching to a 4790k costs another 300€. Minus revenue from flipping your non-k 4790 ends up at expenses of ~200€. 

Depending of cooler compatibility switching to Coffee Lake costs you between 100€ and up to 190€ (example build) extra. I think that's a pretty good deal. Sell your components on ebay with EU-wide shipping and you should get rid of those parts pretty quickly. If I were you I'd rather puty in a fix price maybe with a little margin for bargaining.

P.S.: If your cooler isn't compatible with LGA1151, just flip it as well, that could be another 20€.

[GOTSpectrum]

4 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

Those 4790 cpus are great. Z97 boards cost about 100€ give or take at the moment in Europe. 4790k CPUs cost between like 280 (if you're lucky) or up to 350€. Non-k 4790s are worth between 180€ and up to like 220€, those are the top of the line chips on LGA1150, so there's a market. Even 16GB of DDR3 memory comes at another ~100€.

Let's say you switch platform now.

 

costs:
CPU: ~320€ 
Memory: ~150€
Mainboard: ~130€

cooler: ~60€ (depending cooler-compatibility, if yours is compatible with LGA1151, forget about this)
sub-total: 660€

revenues:
CPU: ~200€
Memory: ~100€
sub-total: ~300€

total costs: 360€ (incl. cooler)

Example build (you could go cheaper on board and maybe RAM if you accept slower modules):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€329.99 @ ARLT) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€137.45 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €690.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-04 15:31 CET+0100

What's the alternative? Just to buy a new board. It's pretty hard to find non-Z chipset boards used for LGA1150 in my experience so you're better off looking for Z97 boards then. There's definitely a market for them so they'll cost you about 100€ (if not more). Switching to a 4790k costs another 300€. Minus revenue from flipping your non-k 4790 ends up at expenses of ~200€. 

Depending of cooler compatibility switching to Coffee Lake costs you between 100€ and up to 190€ (example build) extra. I think that's a pretty good deal.

I have to admit I'm a bit of an AMDA fanboy, but even I think thats the best way to go! Sub 200€ for an 8600 upgrade. I got my ryzen upgrade doing similar, only costed me £120 for 1700, 16gb ram, x370 gigabyte motherboard. 

[bowrilla]

15 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

I have to admit I'm a bit of an AMDA fanboy, but even I think thats the best way to go! Sub 200€ for an 8600 upgrade. I got my ryzen upgrade doing similar, only costed me £120 for 1700, 16gb ram, x370 gigabyte motherboard. 

Ryzen is an option as well. Won't come at exceptionally higher costs, it's just that you're definitely forced to get a new cooler in that case since older LGA1150 coolers aren't likely to get free upgrade brackets for AM4. That's all. 

This would be the Ryzen example-build. That D14 is discontinued as I've just realized, so this time a special AM4 compatible cooler:
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€198.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler  (€60.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€113.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€183.50 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €557.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-04 15:51 CET+0100

That's 560€ minus revenue from flipping parts (300€ ish) so a total of 260€. Expenses for upgrading to a 4790k and a new board are again ~200€. So for 60€ more you'll have a whole new system. Even a better deal regardless of the more expensive RAM due to Ryzen's pickiness. Even a Ryzen 7 1700 or even 1700X would still be great and comparably cheap upgrades.

Bottom line 
The bottom line is that LGA1150 upgrades are only worth it if you only have to switch the CPU. As soon as you need another new component that deal isn't economically anymore.

[Matsii]

4 hours ago, bowrilla said:

Those 4790 cpus are great. Z97 boards cost about 100€ give or take at the moment in Europe. 4790k CPUs cost between like 280 (if you're lucky) or up to 350€. Non-k 4790s are worth between 180€ and up to like 220€, those are the top of the line chips on LGA1150, so there's a market. Even 16GB of DDR3 memory comes at another ~100€.

Let's say you switch platform now.

 

costs:
CPU: ~320€ 
Memory: ~150€
Mainboard: ~130€

cooler: ~60€ (depending cooler-compatibility, if yours is compatible with LGA1151, forget about this)
sub-total: ~660€ (ish, give or take depending choice of components)

revenues:
CPU: ~200€
Memory: ~100€
sub-total: ~300€

total costs: 360€ (incl. cooler)

Example build (you could go cheaper on board and maybe RAM if you accept slower modules):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  (€329.99 @ ARLT) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (€69.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€137.45 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €690.08
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-04 15:31 CET+0100

What's the alternative? Just to buy a new board. It's pretty hard to find non-Z chipset boards used for LGA1150 in my experience so you're better off looking for Z97 boards then. There's definitely a market for them so they'll cost you about 100€ (if not more). Switching to a 4790k costs another 300€. Minus revenue from flipping your non-k 4790 ends up at expenses of ~200€. 

Depending of cooler compatibility switching to Coffee Lake costs you between 100€ and up to 190€ (example build) extra. I think that's a pretty good deal. Sell your components on ebay with EU-wide shipping and you should get rid of those parts pretty quickly. If I were you I'd rather puty in a fix price maybe with a little margin for bargaining.

P.S.: If your cooler isn't compatible with LGA1151, just flip it as well, that could be another 20€.

Thanks for the great answer mate! Now seriously thinking about the upgrade if I can get rid of my existing hardware. If it comes to that, what i7 would you recommed from newer generations. That i5 is a really good middlepoint with 6cores but did it have hyperthreading? Earlier geneeation i5s didn't if I remember correctly. If I really are going to upgrade, might as well get 8 cores at least for future proofing don't you think?

[Matsii]

4 hours ago, LeinadTM said:

Fair call on the DDR4 prices. What GPU do you currently have? You could potentially keep that if you were to upgrade.

Whole system atm includes

i7-4790

gtx 1080 strix

16gb ddr3 1600mhz

2x 1tb hdd in raid

1x 240gb ssd

some B series mobo (the dead one :p)

[Matsii]

3 minutes ago, Matsii said:

Thanks for the great answer mate! Now seriously thinking about the upgrade if I can get rid of my existing hardware. If it comes to that, what i7 would you recommed from newer generations. That i5 is a really good middlepoint with 6cores but did it have hyperthreading? Earlier geneeation i5s didn't if I remember correctly. If I really are going to upgrade, might as well get 8 cores at least for future proofing don't you think?

and about the cooler I atm have that nh-d14 and it is really a beast I think that noctua offers those am4 pracets at least for sale

[bowrilla]

Those Coffee Lake i7s are darn expensive. That 8700k would be like 100 bucks on top and it's atm next to the non-k version (which would be dumb since the difference is like 20€) the only i7 on the market atm. The 7700k is nice, you could go for a cheaper board in that case but it has 2 less cores and 4 less threads. I'd definitely go Ryzen 7 rather than 7700k. The i5 still doesn't offer Hyper Threading so it's 6c/6t. That's comfortably right between last gen's i5s and i7. For gaming that should be plenty enough for quite a while – and it's easier to thermally tame those chips. If you can afford that i7, sure, go for it. But 7th gen i7 are imho not worth it especially not from your point of view. A 4790k is just like 10–15% slower compared to a 7700k. You'll hardly feel an actual difference unless you're looking constantly at your framecounter. For an actual performance bump and future proofing your rig (core-wise) with more cores and threads go 8700k, for a sensible gaming upgrade a 8600k is a good choice, for future proofing your rig (again core-wise) on a smaller budget go Ryzen 5 or 7. You can get 6c/12t for way less than an 8700k with a Ryzen 5 1600 or 8c/16t for about the same money team blue is offering you that i5 8600k. A 1700 is technically identical with a 1700x and a 1800x, they just select the best chips for higher clocked models. Same goes for 1600 and 1600x. You'll have the highest OC headrom they more you pay but they all hit a wall at 4–4.1GHz at the latest. You should be able to expect a 1600 to safely reach like 3.7GHz, more if you're lucky at silicon lottery. A 1600 should be very close to a 1600x regarding OC headroom.

[GOTSpectrum]

4 hours ago, bowrilla said:

Ryzen is an option as well. Won't come at exceptionally higher costs, it's just that you're definitely forced to get a new cooler in that case since older LGA1150 coolers aren't likely to get free upgrade brackets for AM4. That's all. 

This would be the Ryzen example-build. That D14 is discontinued as I've just realized, so this time a special AM4 compatible cooler:
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (€198.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler  (€60.90 @ Caseking) 
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€113.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€183.50 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €557.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-04 15:51 CET+0100

That's 560€ minus revenue from flipping parts (300€ ish) so a total of 260€. Expenses for upgrading to a 4790k and a new board are again ~200€. So for 60€ more you'll have a whole new system. Even a better deal regardless of the more expensive RAM due to Ryzen's pickiness. Even a Ryzen 7 1700 or even 1700X would still be great and comparably cheap upgrades.

Bottom line 
The bottom line is that LGA1150 upgrades are only worth it if you only have to switch the CPU. As soon as you need another new component that deal isn't economically anymore.

The wraith cooler that comes with the 1600 is a 95 watt cooler and you don't really need to get a better one. My 1700 is running at 3.75 on the stock cooler just fine and that's an 8c/16t beast of a processor!

[Matsii]

59 minutes ago, bowrilla said:

Those Coffee Lake i7s are darn expensive. That 8700k would be like 100 bucks on top and it's atm next to the non-k version (which would be dumb since the difference is like 20€) the only i7 on the market atm. The 7700k is nice, you could go for a cheaper board in that case but it has 2 less cores and 4 less threads. I'd definitely go Ryzen 7 rather than 7700k. The i5 still doesn't offer Hyper Threading so it's 6c/6t. That's comfortably right between last gen's i5s and i7. For gaming that should be plenty enough for quite a while – and it's easier to thermally tame those chips. If you can afford that i7, sure, go for it. But 7th gen i7 are imho not worth it especially not from your point of view. A 4790k is just like 10–15% slower compared to a 7700k. You'll hardly feel an actual difference unless you're looking constantly at your framecounter. For an actual performance bump and future proofing your rig (core-wise) with more cores and threads go 8700k, for a sensible gaming upgrade a 8600k is a good choice, for future proofing your rig (again core-wise) on a smaller budget go Ryzen 5 or 7. You can get 6c/12t for way less than an 8700k with a Ryzen 5 1600 or 8c/16t for about the same money team blue is offering you that i5 8600k. A 1700 is technically identical with a 1700x and a 1800x, they just select the best chips for higher clocked models. Same goes for 1600 and 1600x. You'll have the highest OC headrom they more you pay but they all hit a wall at 4–4.1GHz at the latest. You should be able to expect a 1600 to safely reach like 3.7GHz, more if you're lucky at silicon lottery. A 1600 should be very close to a 1600x regarding OC headroom.

Thanks again for the informative response So if I can snatch up 4790K/flip my locked one and a resonably priced mobo to go with it and with a bit of luck push it near 4.8-5ghz would be my best and cheapest option? Never had any issues with the locked one but that potential 1ghz boost would maybe add couple years to my build? And really thanks for your answers and your time.

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 hours ago, Matsii said:

Thanks again for the informative response So if I can snatch up 4790K/flip my locked one and a resonably priced mobo to go with it and with a bit of luck push it near 4.8-5ghz would be my best and cheapest option? Never had any issues with the locked one but that potential 1ghz boost would maybe add couple years to my build? And really thanks for your answers and your time.

just get a cheap board that support your current i7 and call it a day mate.

[bowrilla]

2 hours ago, Matsii said:

Thanks again for the informative response So if I can snatch up 4790K/flip my locked one and a resonably priced mobo to go with it and with a bit of luck push it near 4.8-5ghz would be my best and cheapest option? Never had any issues with the locked one but that potential 1ghz boost would maybe add couple years to my build? And really thanks for your answers and your time.

Not really since you're putting money in a dead platform. Without that mainboard it would be a good option but both? As I've said, you could get a Ryzen 5 system for 60€ more which is a good bargain or for 100€ more you could get an i5. For another 100€ you'll have a 6c/12t i7 8700k. LGA1150 is only sensible when you only have to switch to a better chip. In any other case you're better off with a new system.

And no, 4790k usually don't push to those levels (anymore). Definitely not on air (more like on custom water cooling) and you really need to be lucky with your chip. Keep in mind, those chips are old now and have been in use for years. Chips do degrade. A stable oc 4 years ago isn't neccessarily stable today. I have one and I don't get it to run stable at 4.8GHz – even when ignoring temps. 4.6 is a safe bet on all cores and 4.7 with good aio or air cooling. Beyond that means pushing up VCore to "hot" levels and that means you need a custom loop and then you're spending money for speed gains (you won't really notice) you could have cheaper by just spending money on a more modern, faster chip.

Back to calculations. Since you have a good cooler when can ignore those costs.

 

What you can get for your stuff

CPU revenues: ~200€
memory revenues: ~100€
sub total: ~300€

 

#1 Team blue
LGA1151 board: 135€
i5 8600k: 330€ (+70€ for i7 8700k, but stocks are low atm, PCPP prices only show available stocks)
16GB memory: 150€
sub total: 615€

total: ~315€ (+70€ for i7 option)

 

#2 Team red

AM4 board: 115€

Ryzen 5 1600: 200€ (+110€ for Ryzen 7 1700 option or +130€ for Ryzen 7 1700x, no stock cooler though with x models)
16GB Ryzen compatible memory: 180€

sub total: 495€ 

total: ~195€ (+110€ for 1700 or +130€ for 1700x)

 

#3 costs to stay on LGA1150 incl. 4790k upgrade
LGA1150 board: 100€+ (as I've said, they don't come cheap these days)

optional 4790k: 300€+

cpu revenues: ~200€

total: ~200€

 

As you can see: staying on your platform doesn'tmake any sense. You could for the same money get a Ryzen 5 1600 system with DDR4 memory or spend another 110€ on top and get a nice 6c/6t i5 or even a 8c/16t Ryzen 7 1700 system with DDR4. For 130€ on top of your inital spendings to stay and refres your LGA1150 system you even get yourself a 1700x or für 185€ on top you get the latest 6c/12t i7. 

So no, it's not sensible to stay.

[Verrm]

Take into account that i5 8600k might be still hard to buy in your country (availability issues after launch).

Other then that it makes more sense to go with whole platform upgrade, you wont spend as much as you thought if you sell old stuff.

[Matsii]

1 hour ago, bowrilla said:

Not really since you're putting money in a dead platform. Without that mainboard it would be a good option but both? As I've said, you could get a Ryzen 5 system for 60€ more which is a good bargain or for 100€ more you could get an i5. For another 100€ you'll have a 6c/12t i7 8700k. LGA1150 is only sensible when you only have to switch to a better chip. In any other case you're better off with a new system.

And no, 4790k usually don't push to those levels (anymore). Definitely not on air (more like on custom water cooling) and you really need to be lucky with your chip. Keep in mind, those chips are old now and have been in use for years. Chips do degrade. A stable oc 4 years ago isn't neccessarily stable today. I have one and I don't get it to run stable at 4.8GHz – even when ignoring temps. 4.6 is a safe bet on all cores and 4.7 with good aio or air cooling. Beyond that means pushing up VCore to "hot" levels and that means you need a custom loop and then you're spending money for speed gains (you won't really notice) you could have cheaper by just spending money on a more modern, faster chip.

Back to calculations. Since you have a good cooler when can ignore those costs.

 

What you can get for your stuff

CPU revenues: ~200€
memory revenues: ~100€
sub total: ~300€

 

#1 Team blue
LGA1151 board: 135€
i5 8600k: 330€ (+70€ for i7 8700k, but stocks are low atm, PCPP prices only show available stocks)
16GB memory: 150€
sub total: 615€

total: ~315€ (+70€ for i7 option)

 

#2 Team red

AM4 board: 115€

Ryzen 5 1600: 200€ (+110€ for Ryzen 7 1700 option or +130€ for Ryzen 7 1700x, no stock cooler though with x models)
16GB Ryzen compatible memory: 180€

sub total: 495€ 

total: ~195€ (+110€ for 1700 or +130€ for 1700x)

 

#3 costs to stay on LGA1150 incl. 4790k upgrade
LGA1150 board: 100€+ (as I've said, they don't come cheap these days)

optional 4790k: 300€+

cpu revenues: ~200€

total: ~200€

 

As you can see: staying on your platform doesn'tmake any sense. You could for the same money get a Ryzen 5 1600 system with DDR4 memory or spend another 110€ on top and get a nice 6c/6t i5 or even a 8c/16t Ryzen 7 1700 system with DDR4. For 130€ on top of your inital spendings to stay and refres your LGA1150 system you even get yourself a 1700x or für 185€ on top you get the latest 6c/12t i7. 

So no, it's not sensible to stay.

ok, but in the end it comes to avavability in my country. I will deafinetly think about switching to the red side with the 1600. Ryzen has proven to be at least a good contenter to the blue side. Still hesitating on optimization things and whatnot but nobody optimizes for ryzen if nobody buys ryzen and sry for bad english. Hoping you will understand me