General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Crunchy Dragon]

3 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

I expected a dead board at this point, this thing has seen two power supplies die, liquid intentionally sprayed into it while running(killed psu#1 and 4 fans) and vcore has almost never been ran under 1.35v... It's seen like 50+ bios flashes, memory has been in and out of the third channel over a hundred times at least. It's been removed/replaced/rebuilt 20+ times. It's still doing great pushing 4,680mhz on single threaded boost.

The X58 Board That Could.

 

I realized I never actually told @Zando_what I paid for my X299 FTW-K, and am inviting him to guess.

[Kilrah]

mmm, UD5 gang

 

 

9 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

hit the write endurance threshold

I know people who are still using SSDs that are at 10x the endurance rating, so it doesn't necessarily mean much. Maybe wise to replace it if it's in something you really depend on, but likely still got quite some life left.

[Slayer3032]

Is that a pci card I spy in there! I'm not sure I have an image with a soundblaster installed in mine but I've certainly had a sound card and used the slot at one point. My psu #2 looks really familiar here, ah what a blast back to the previous Antec 900 being packed full of cables everywhere and having to mod the side panel to fit the NH-D14.

 

 

I was expecting it to have a perfectly useful life as a spare rig ssd still in it but running 10x over the limit sounds crazy. It's a 128gb SM951, SMART says the threshold is 5% and its seen 46TBW which lines up roughly for the 98TBW rating most of the 256gb samsung drives I could find listed. One of the two PM981's I picked up has a threshold of like 40 or 50% so if that pops far earlier than the other one I'll keep that in mind before considering a replacement.

 

It was manufactured in 2015 and it was the primary ssd in my home server with no redundancy. It was time for a $20 upgrade, sounds like it'll make a perfect drive for the UD5 where it started out.

[Kilrah]

Ooh nice, sharing D14 and that PSU too

 

PCI card is an old TV tuner

[Zando_]

On 2/17/2023 at 11:18 PM, Crunchy Dragon said:

I realized I never actually told @Zando_what I paid for my X299 FTW-K, and am inviting him to guess.

$120 or something silly like that given you want me to guess. Or a flat $99 if you scored it off one of the EVGA Midweek Madness sales (Wednesdays), they've dumped batches of X99 and I believe X299 (but I wasn't in the market for X299 at the time so I didn't pay close attention) boards for $99 flat.

 

And man, y'all are making me feel bad for not having my own X58 stuff up and running . Gotta get around to re-building my main rig in another case (or else somehow score another 750D for less than the $110 + $115 shipping they want on eBay) first though, I built it in my 750D and that's the only XL-ATX supporting case I own - my sole X58 board now is an XL-ATX one.

[tankyx]

With the announcement of the new Xeon platform (especially the W9 3400) I wonder if it is not time to replace my 5900x with a 3475/3495x. I have been using my PC as a gaming PC/Workstation but compiling my codebase with only 12c/24t takes too much time for my liking.

I just hope the gaming performance won't be too impacted

[Crunchy Dragon]

7 hours ago, Zando_ said:

$120 or something silly like that given you want me to guess.

Pretty close, I paid $170 on Ebay for it. Came with all the original stuff, too.

[Sarra]

Good grief. I wish this had been announced a few weeks ago, would have ditched the plan to build another AM4 system. D: Ah well, I've got the board now, may as well use it.

[Crunchy Dragon]

So I get to test how X299 does with newer NVMe drives. I'm hoping it should be fine, NVMe was more mainstream by the time Skylake came out, but it's still an old platform by now.

One of my buddies once bought a Samsung NVMe drive for his Z97 rig and while his board did support NVMe, it just didn't know what the heck to do with that drive because NVMe support back in the Haswell days was quite a bit more sketchy than today.

 

 

[Zando_]

4 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I'm hoping it should be fine

Should be. 960 Evo, 970 Evo, XPG ATOM30, Intel 16GB Optane cache module, all work on my Dark no biggie. All but the Optane have 0 issues with an X99 Classified (1st gen X99 board with a PCIe 3.0 x2 slot) or X99 Micro2, either in the native NVMe slot or on PCIe add-in cards. Don't see why newer drives would have any issues, as NVMe runs over PCIe and that's inherently back and forwards compatible. X79 runs NVMe drives in PCIe cards with 0 issues as well, unless you need to actually boot off of them in which case there's a couple tweaks that need to be done and then it works fine. I believe you can even get X58 to boot off an NVMe drive on an add-in card but I haven't tried that.

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 2/25/2023 at 9:04 AM, Crunchy Dragon said:

So I get to test how X299 does with newer NVMe drives. I'm hoping it should be fine, NVMe was more mainstream by the time Skylake came out, but it's still an old platform by now.

Update: we good

 

Am I funny?

[Pasi123]

I finally switched the X5670 back in to my main PC and the badly binned X5675 in to a HP Z400. A bit surprisingly I was able to open the socket without removing the cooler mounting bracket, but since the cooler is from the LGA1366 days it was probably designed that way.

Also in less than two months it will be 10 years since I bought my first X58 system.

 

 

 

[Kilrah]

On 2/25/2023 at 3:04 PM, Crunchy Dragon said:

So I get to test how X299 does with newer NVMe drives. I'm hoping it should be fine, NVMe was more mainstream by the time Skylake came out, but it's still an old platform by now.

One of my buddies once bought a Samsung NVMe drive for his Z97 rig and while his board did support NVMe, it just didn't know what the heck to do with that drive because NVMe support back in the Haswell days was quite a bit more sketchy than today.

I remember when I bought my X99 board, it had an m.2 slot and I checked what I could get but back in 2014 drives basically didn't exist yet, the only option was OEM Samsung drives pulled from Apple laptops, and those sold for a fortune obviously. But I still had a fully capable CPU-direct PCIe3 x4 slot to use a few years later when there was something to use it with.

 

Anyway, guess I'm out of the game now...

 

 

It was nice to use this for 8.5 years, but having now experienced it the modern stuff is so absolutely ridiculously more powerful and snappy that I probably won't wait that long next time. 

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

49 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

I remember when I bought my X99 board, it had an m.2 slot and I checked what I could get but back in 2014 drives basically didn't exist yet, the only option was OEM Samsung drives pulled from Apple laptops, and those sold for a fortune obviously. But I still had a fully capable CPU-direct PCIe3 x4 slot to use a few years later when there was something to use it with.

YUP.

 

My buddy once bought an NVMe SSD for his Z97 system and same thing, drive support just didn't exist at the time(and was apparently just never added for his board). One of my favorite things about my X299 setup is being able to run my NVMe SSD and my GPU, at their respective max speeds, both through the CPU.

 

51 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Anyway, guess I'm out of the game now...

Begone, heathen

/s

51 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

It was nice to use this for 8.5 years, but having now experienced it the modern stuff is so absolutely ridiculously more powerful and snappy that I probably won't wait that long next time.

o7

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, Pasi123 said:

I finally switched the X5670 back in to my main PC and the badly binned X5675 in to a HP Z400. A bit surprisingly I was able to open the socket without removing the cooler mounting bracket, but since the cooler is from the LGA1366 days it was probably designed that way.

Also in less than two months it will be 10 years since I bought my first X58 system.

I'm old enough to remember the times of Long Live Sandy Bridge, but I'm really thinking it's actually Long Live Westmere

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 12/8/2022 at 5:18 PM, Crunchy Dragon said:

Not seeing a reBAR option, but I'm probably also not on the most recent UEFI.

Just updated from BIOS version 1.06 to 1.29.

 

Resizable BAR is now an option in my BIOS.

[the pudding]

snagged a brand new X299 micro 2 for 185 shipped  

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, the pudding said:

snagged a brand new X299 micro 2 for 185 shipped

No way.

 

Could probably flip that for double what you paid if you wanted to

[the pudding]

44 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

No way.

 

Could probably flip that for double what you paid if you wanted to

More than likely, but then I kinda like the idea of shoving an 18 core into an matx box and doing my first ever hardline loop all told, recently did a build for a friend in a fractal pop mini and I was impressed by it all told so I kinda like the idea of a full on blackout build in just such a case with a few modifications 

 

 

Pic of the friends build for tax, pretty pleased with it considering it was a pretty budget machine all told 

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, the pudding said:

More than likely, but then I kinda like the idea of shoving an 18 core into an matx box and doing my first ever hardline loop all told, recently did a build for a friend in a fractal pop mini and I was impressed by it all told so I kinda like the idea of a full on blackout build in just such a case with a few modifications

[the pudding]

5 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I think the mini 18 core box is a go :3 just gotta snag the case and buy my friends 7980XE when I get paid tomorrow 

[Zando_]

Just now, the pudding said:

I think the mini 18 core box is a go :3 just gotta snag the case and buy my friends 7980XE when I get paid tomorrow 

AP201 is a worthy consideration as well. You can fit a 360 in the top and shove a pump somewhere, I have mine at the end of the GPU (thankfully it's a short GPU, 2060 Super FE so small PCB):

[the pudding]

22 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

AP201 is a worthy consideration as well. You can fit a 360 in the top and shove a pump somewhere, I have mine at the end of the GPU (thankfully it's a short GPU, 2060 Super FE so small PCB):

Oh my, that's pretty, love the heatkiller blocks and all, really nice looking system that, with that said though I don't have to worry about rad space  

[wild0077]

Hello guys, I was hoping to find some answers regarding some X99 bios settings, since my research didn't yield many useful results. First, a little bit of context.

So, I am currently using an MSI X99A Gaming 7 paired with an E5 1660V3, got both of them used at the end of 2021. Back then, during the first overclocking sessions I was able to reach stable 4.5GHz using 1.275V~, and "semi-stable" 4.7GHz 1.350V (heavy benchmarks were a no no), I still have the screenshots. I used it for a good while at 4.2GHz 1.100V, and recently decided to go back to 4.5GHz, but now it takes about 1.325V to be stable. While I do believe that is normal, I mean, we are talking about a used soon-to-be 10 years old cpu, lmao, I didn't expected the wear to just "kick in" like this, after only 1,5 years of mild use, AKA gaming.

That being said, there are a few options on this MSI bios that I can't seem to find a digestible explanation for this platform specifically, and I wish to know if they could influence overclocking in any way, for the good or bad.

- The first option is the "VR 12VIN OCP Expander", could someone please explain what exactly does it do? Could any X99 overclocked cpu benefit from tweaking this at all? 
- The second one is "CPU Phase Control". In many X99 guides they mention something about setting it to "Performance", however this MSI board have only "Normal", "Optimized" and "Disabled" options. Which one would be recommended for overclocking scenarios?
- And the last one I remember right now is the "CPU Switching Frequency". Again, if someone could please explain to me what exactly does it do, I'd be immensely grateful. Also, could an overclocked cpu benefit from tweaking this as well?

I did read the description on the bios for those settings, but it didn't helped much in my case lol, it would be so much better to hear an explanation from somebody that knows instead, if possible.

Thank you in advance.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, wild0077 said:

- The second one is "CPU Phase Control". In many X99 guides they mention something about setting it to "Performance", however this MSI board have only "Normal", "Optimized" and "Disabled" options. Which one would be recommended for overclocking scenarios?

I'd imagine this assists with power delivery and has something to do with the VRM phases. "Optimized" should mean the same as "Performance".