General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[CommanderAlex]

19 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Ebay: your order will be arriving on Monday, November 14.

also Ebay: your order was delivered today.

 

I guess it's Monday now.

Dang, I need to give my PC a nice deep clean.

~Snipped~

Wow, the graphics card sag is very noticeable. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

3 hours ago, CommanderAlex said:

Wow, the graphics card sag is very noticeable. 

Might be the angle of the picture. IRL, directly from the side, it looks a little more normal.

 

But this card is noticeably chonkier than my 1070

[CommanderAlex]

55 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Might be the angle of the picture. IRL, directly from the side, it looks a little more normal.

 

But this card is noticeably chonkier than my 1070

I can see that now after imaginarily drawing parallel lines between the PSU shroud and PCB of the graphics card. 

 

My eyes playing tricks on me!!!

[CT854]

Looking to upgrade from 2x E5-2620 v2, now THIS is a deal.

 

 

Hollowed out my C602 build for a dusting, switching out the PSU, and to generally make it more presentatable. Figured I'd upgrade the chips in the process. Hopefully it'll play nice with my Arc A380!

[Zando_]

X299 Dark take 2 (UPS did not replace it, long story I'm too tired to tell). 

 

 

The universe has declared that I am not allowed an X299 Dark with both code readouts intact. Going to contact the seller and see if I can get a partial refund because it was claimed good condition, 100% functional, as opposed to returning it. Assuming it POSTs once I have the time to gut my current setup, swap the CPU over, and test it. 

 

Assuming all that goes well, will either try my own hand or enlist my younger brother's help in transplanting the code readout from the first bent board over to this one: 

 

Hoping the DIMM 2 slot not working on the current X299 Dark is due to it being bent and not the CPU itself, that'll be another thing I have to test on the new board, only having triple channel kinda sucks + I do run out of RAM in Star Citizen (due to only having 24GB available instead of my normal 32GB). I'd assume it can't be the CPU as I haven't had stability issues with XMP or CPU overclocking, but I'm not familiar with memory issues outside XMP problems on some old DDR3 DIMMs. 

 

Once all this is done, I can finally do a proper finished* build with the CPU on water instead of a 280mm AIO, and get proper pictures. 

 

**Disclaimer: I am eyeing ARC A770 because I'd like an all-Intel machine. On that note I do need to sort out why my Xeon Phi 5110P doesn't want to work (BIOS says not enough PCIe resources but I have the lanes and 6-pin supplemental power for the PCIe slots + Above 4G Decoding enabled) as I desire the funny coprocessor. These boards will also let me run PCIe bifurcation to x4/x4/x4/x4 so I need to pick up some NVMe drives to populate my Hyper M.2 card and muck around with RAID0 to see how fast they go. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

7 hours ago, Zando_ said:

Once all this is done, I can finally do a proper finished* build with the CPU on water instead of a 280mm AIO, and get proper pictures. 

 

**Disclaimer: I am eyeing ARC A770 because I'd like an all-Intel machine. On that note I do need to sort out why my Xeon Phi 5110P doesn't want to work (BIOS says not enough PCIe resources but I have the lanes and 6-pin supplemental power for the PCIe slots + Above 4G Decoding enabled) as I desire the funny coprocessor. These boards will also let me run PCIe bifurcation to x4/x4/x4/x4 so I need to pick up some NVMe drives to populate my Hyper M.2 card and muck around with RAID0 to see how fast they go. 

HEDT builds will always look better than standard desktop builds, change my mind

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

HEDT builds will always look better than standard desktop builds, change my mind

Symmetrical RAM sticks are more visually satisfying, so anything X79 onwards looks very nice by default. I think that's most of the looking better bit. Well that and the absolute unit CPU waterblocks because HEDT chips are massive. Makes for a more aesthetically pleasing "heart" of the PC IMO. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

6 hours ago, Zando_ said:

Symmetrical RAM sticks are more visually satisfying, so anything X79 onwards looks very nice by default. I think that's most of the looking better bit. Well that and the absolute unit CPU waterblocks because HEDT chips are massive. Makes for a more aesthetically pleasing "heart" of the PC IMO. 

Pretty much, yeah.

 

It's kind of like double or quad SLI. It will always look better than a single GPU.

[toasty99]

On 12/6/2022 at 2:13 PM, CT854 said:

Looking to upgrade from 2x E5-2620 v2, now THIS is a deal.

 

 

Hollowed out my C602 build for a dusting, switching out the PSU, and to generally make it more presentatable. Figured I'd upgrade the chips in the process. Hopefully it'll play nice with my Arc A380!

Spoiler: 

 

A380 is incompatible with that system out of the box. 

 

The A380 REQUIRES resizable bar. C602 does not support resizable bar. X99 does not support resizable bar. There is a hack that may work: https://github.com/xCuri0/ReBarUEFI

 

X299 has some support for resizable bar in non janky/hack ways on a motherboard by motherboard basis as some boards got official updates, some got unofficial updates, some got betas, and some got nothing. 

 

I mean the good news is it'll boot up, you'll get a display out, and the performance will be awful. You can then try to implement the hack and hopefully it fixes your issues. If not, that's it you're out of luck. 

 

[CommanderAlex]

3 hours ago, toasty99 said:

some got betas

Yup, my MSI X299 Gaming Pro Carbon AC has a Beta BIOS that enables support for resizable bar...one reason I didn't update as it's Beta and MSI never released a non-Beta BIOS for it after that. 

[Zando_]

9 hours ago, toasty99 said:

The A380 REQUIRES resizable bar.

Not seeing it as a requirement, do you have a source for that? It would be weird for it to require it when the A750 and A770 don't. There will be a sharp drop in gaming performance but AFAIK it's of little impact to most other workloads, and I assume a dual socket high-core Xeon machine is not a gaming focused rig. 

9 hours ago, toasty99 said:

X299 has some support for resizable bar in non janky/hack ways on a motherboard by motherboard basis as some boards got official updates, some got unofficial updates, some got betas, and some got nothing. 

EVGA X299 Dark has reBAR support on the latest BIOS. I would assume the FTW K does as well, @Crunchy Dragonshould be able to confirm. 

5 hours ago, CommanderAlex said:

Yup, my MSI X299 Gaming Pro Carbon AC has a Beta BIOS that enables support for resizable bar...one reason I didn't update as it's Beta and MSI never released a non-Beta BIOS for it after that. 

If that board has multiple BIOS chips, swap to an alternate one and try it. Beta BIOS should be fine, I think in cases like this it's just labeled beta because it isn't a feature they intend to officially support, not because of instability. AFAIK a lot of ASRock X99 boards have a similar beta BIOS that enables PCIe slot bifurcation, never saw chatter about it causing issues. 

[CommanderAlex]

3 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

If that board has multiple BIOS chips, swap to an alternate one and try it. Beta BIOS should be fine, I think in cases like this it's just labeled beta because it isn't a feature they intend to officially support, not because of instability. AFAIK a lot of ASRock X99 boards have a similar beta BIOS that enables PCIe slot bifurcation, never saw chatter about it causing issues. 

Not too sure about the board having multiple BIOS chips...been tucked away for the past 1-1/2 years now since moving over to Ryzen. Just after checking, it appears they got a newer BIOS version from 2022-09-22 for Windows 11 support, security patch, disable resizable bar function when CSM mode, set secure boot default to enabled--from the description. 

 

Got rid of my 10980XE chip at MC and have a 9800X to use if I were to ever go back on this platform.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, CommanderAlex said:

Not too sure about the board having multiple BIOS chips...been tucked away for the past 1-1/2 years now since moving over to Ryzen. Just after checking, it appears they got a newer BIOS version from 2022-09-22 for Windows 11 support, security patch, disable resizable bar function when CSM mode, set secure boot default to enabled--from the description. 

Spec page also says you have "1x Multi-BIOS Switch" so likely 2 or 3 BIOS chips. On my EVGA boards it's usually 3, with one easily removable and the other 2 soldered. 

4 minutes ago, CommanderAlex said:

have a 9800X to use if I were to ever go back on this platform.

Interesting, I thought they stopped making anything less than 10 cores after 7000 series. 9800X does have the full 44 PCIe lanes though which is nice, doesn't seem to be like older lower-core options where they cut the lanes to 28. 

[CommanderAlex]

49 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Spec page also says you have "1x Multi-BIOS Switch" so likely 2 or 3 BIOS chips. On my EVGA boards it's usually 3, with one easily removable and the other 2 soldered. 

 

 

Interesting, I thought they stopped making anything less than 10 cores after 7000 series. 9800X does have the full 44 PCIe lanes though which is nice, doesn't seem to be like older lower-core options where they cut the lanes to 28. 

Yeah that's true now that I remember the board does have the ability to switch BIOSes. 

 

It was one of the rarities (and cheapest at the time at a whopping $600 at MC ) that I could afford when I was building this X299 platform back in Feb 2019. That's one of the nice things about this processor having 44 PCIe lanes. 

 

Some days, I do truly think about going back on it and swapping out my Ryzen to see how it runs. IIRC, I was able to manually push all cores at 4.7GHz boost before instability on 8 DIMMs of the Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB modules I have, all on a NH-D15. I'm sure if I were to go back, I could manually tune voltage as I've never touched it while performing an overclock. 

[Zando_]

11 minutes ago, CommanderAlex said:

IIRC, I was able to manually push all cores at 4.7GHz boost before instability on 8 DIMMs of the Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB modules I have, all on a NH-D15.

Should be able to run a bit higher mesh than the 7000 series too IIRC, makes a good difference for performance. 

 

My 7980XE will go ~4.5 or so on a 280mm AIO with EVGA's OC Robot tuner, but it will get to 93C in Prime95 which is rather toasty. So ez 4.7 on 10 less cores with about the same cooling sounds about right. Interestingly, that puts it down as cooler running than X99 Haswell, as my 5820K (only a 6c/12t chip) at 4.5 with 1.35v vCore hit the mid 90s under P95 on an NH-D15S. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

3 hours ago, Zando_ said:

EVGA X299 Dark has reBAR support on the latest BIOS. I would assume the FTW K does as well, @Crunchy Dragonshould be able to confirm.

I'll take a look once Portal RTX is done downloading

 

Anyway, here's my contribution to the A380 discussion:

 

Spoiler

plamne

 

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, Zando_ said:

My 7980XE will go ~4.5 or so on a 280mm AIO with EVGA's OC Robot tuner, but it will get to 93C in Prime95 which is rather toasty. So ez 4.7 on 10 less cores with about the same cooling sounds about right. Interestingly, that puts it down as cooler running than X99 Haswell, as my 5820K (only a 6c/12t chip) at 4.5 with 1.35v vCore hit the mid 90s under P95 on an NH-D15S. 

I'm genuinely tempted to hunt down one of the higher end EVGA X99 boards, a really good cooling solution, a beefy PSU, and see how far my 5820K will go.

[Zando_]

12 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I'm genuinely tempted to hunt down one of the higher end EVGA X99 boards, a really good cooling solution, a beefy PSU, and see how far my 5820K will go.

EVGA only made high end boards. The Classified has like 2 more power phases than the FTW K, that's about it. The Micro2 handles the biggest CPUs as well (5960X and 6950X for me), it just only has one 8-pin EPS so I wouldn't use it for absolutely slamming chips. For cooling you should just need a custom loop with a 360mm rad, that's usually enough for CPU only, you can use longer-than-needed ZMT and then dunk the radiator in an ice cooler if you want to bring temps down further. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

29 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I'll take a look once Portal RTX is done downloading

Not seeing a reBAR option, but I'm probably also not on the most recent UEFI.

 

10 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

EVGA only made high end boards. The Classified has like 2 more power phases than the FTW K, that's about it. The Micro2 handles the biggest CPUs as well (5960X and 6950X for me), it just only has one 8-pin EPS so I wouldn't use it for absolutely slamming chips. For cooling you should just need a custom loop with a 360mm rad, that's usually enough for CPU only, you can use longer-than-needed ZMT and then dunk the radiator in an ice cooler if you want to bring temps down further. 

Did they ever make X99 boards with multiple EPS connectors?

 

I forget if that was a concept at the time

[Zando_]

18 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Did they ever make X99 boards with multiple EPS connectors?

 

I forget if that was a concept at the time

 

Always has been . My full size X58 board from 2009 uses dual 8-pin EPS. As does my X79 Dark and X99 Classified. And my ASUS and MSI X58 boards back when I had those. It's only on mATX boards that they dropped the 2nd EPS. My X58 Micro had only one EPS, as does the X99 micro2. ASUS Gene boards look to be single EPS as well, seems it's just an mATX board thing. 

[GillyMoMo]

MSI X99 XPower and GodLike Gaming has those IIRC. I have one and two of the latter. Also you can also use 1660v3 and 1680v3 CPU as those actually can OC! I would also know that as mine are.

[Kilrah]

My Rampage V has 8+4. Always only ran just the 8pin even at 280+W.

[Crunchy Dragon]

5 hours ago, Kilrah said:

My Rampage V has 8+4. Always only ran just the 8pin even at 280+W.

Makes sense Asus would have it. I remember back when I had a Rampage III in my inventory, it had 8+4 pin CPU power.

 

My Gigabyte boards never had more than the single 8 pin, which is interesting considering how much they hype up their boards to be the best. Obviously any company does that, but I feel Gigabyte does it more.

[toasty99]

17 hours ago, Zando_ said:

 

Always has been . My full size X58 board from 2009 uses dual 8-pin EPS. As does my X79 Dark and X99 Classified. And my ASUS and MSI X58 boards back when I had those. It's only on mATX boards that they dropped the 2nd EPS. My X58 Micro had only one EPS, as does the X99 micro2. ASUS Gene boards look to be single EPS as well, seems it's just an mATX board thing. 

In my experience I had a X99 classified and a x99 micro from EVGA with the same 1660v3 at one point and whether you have that second connector or not doesn't seem to matter, at least on the 280mm aio I had. Hit thermal and voltage limits long before it came into play. Got the same clocks basically. 

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Makes sense Asus would have it. I remember back when I had a Rampage III in my inventory, it had 8+4 pin CPU power.

 

My Gigabyte boards never had more than the single 8 pin, which is interesting considering how much they hype up their boards to be the best. Obviously any company does that, but I feel Gigabyte does it more.

Checking back at photos, I was incorrect about my ASUS X58 board, Rampage III Formula only has one 8-Pin EPS. And interestingly it uses Molex for what I believe is supplemental PCIe power. X58 Classified SLI 4-Way uses 2 8-pin EPS but also has Molex for supplemental PCIe, the EVGA SR-2 uses an 8+6 for each CPU socket, and then a 6-pin for supplemental PCIe power. It's from the same timeframe as the X58 boards so I'm not sure why they still used Molex. My MSI Big Bang/Xpower/Whatever the model name is, used 2x 8-pin EPS same as the X58 Classy, but a 6-pin for supplemental PCIe instead of Molex. 

 

Seems it was the wild west for power delivery I guess.

40 minutes ago, toasty99 said:

In my experience I had a X99 classified and a x99 micro from EVGA with the same 1660v3 at one point and whether you have that second connector or not doesn't seem to matter, at least on the 280mm aio I had. Hit thermal and voltage limits long before it came into play. Got the same clocks basically. 

Yeah, for actually using the machine, a single EPS is fine. I'd just worry about going over what a single 8-pin can deliver if you dunked a radiator in ice and ignored safe voltage limits to see how fast of a bench run a chip could do. If I remember correctly my 5960X at 1.2v/4.5 allcore would pull ~350W from the wall under Prime95 smallFFT. So subtract the small loss from 80+ gold PSU, idling GPU, etc and it was probably around 250-280W for the CPU itself. Given temps spike rapidly at anything past 1.3v on Haswell-E, I assume power draw jumps similarly, so you could probably put an 8-core chip past 300-350W which is about what a single 8-pin EPS can handle. Didn't have a killawatt when I ran my 5820K so not sure what the hexacores pull (Crunchy was considering a board to clock a 5820K as far as it'll go), and now it's broken (ground pin snapped off) so I can't do any further power testing unless I get a replacement. Should probably see if it's under warranty tbh.