is 1ms worth it

[Ahmed_Raa]

I have a question is 4ms respond time good for esports or not and can i see difference between 4ms or lower

[Guest]

1. You can't see it

2. Most monitor manufacturer doesn't put the number right

[Kukielka]

SImple: Do you make a living off esports?

Yes: Get 1ms GTG monitor.

No: You shouldn't care.

[samcool55]

Your brain usually requires 100ms to process what you sense so the difference between 4ms and 1ms won't make any difference at all.

 

It would be better to invest in a high-refreshrate monitor tbh. That way you are sure the stuff they use is decent.

[Jurrunio]

1ms isnt worth buying. It can affect whether ghosting effect shows to your eyes, but that's often easier to determine by trying it out yourself.

[EthanCoow]

13 minutes ago, Ahmed_Raa said:

I have a question is 4ms respond time good for esports or not and can i see difference between 4ms or lower

Just try one out and see whether it's worth it. Most likely not unless you are an esports player that requires extremely fast response. 

[Sakkura]

43 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Your brain usually requires 100ms to process what you sense so the difference between 4ms and 1ms won't make any difference at all.

 

It would be better to invest in a high-refreshrate monitor tbh. That way you are sure the stuff they use is decent.

You (and a few others in the thread) seem to be confusing pixel response time with input lag. They are entirely separate things.

 

Pixel response time does not have anything to do with esports or reaction time. It's about ghosting. It's as relevant to watching video as it is to playing games.

[Praesi]

If you are Superman, yes. If not, you will not see any difference.

[pyrojoe34]

Not really... I'd take a 4-5ms IPS monitor over a 1ms TN monitor 100% of the time. The vast majority of people (and I'm willing to bet even pro gamers in a true double blind experiment) would see no difference between 4ms and 1ms.

[Fanus1]

From what I know it only matter's if you're on the same LAN as other people else, i.e Campion gaming competitions,

As well as I think it is psychological, thinking if you have a lower ms rate that you will preform better.

It's not worth it.

[Sakkura]

16 hours ago, Praesi said:

If you are Superman, yes. If not, you will not see any difference.

 

16 hours ago, pyrojoe34 said:

Not really... I'd take a 4-5ms IPS monitor over a 1ms TN monitor 100% of the time. The vast majority of people (and I'm willing to bet even pro gamers in a true double blind experiment) would see no difference between 4ms and 1ms.

 

13 hours ago, Fanus1 said:

From what I know it only matter's if you're on the same LAN as other people else, i.e Campion gaming competitions,

As well as I think it is psychological, thinking if you have a lower ms rate that you will preform better.

It's not worth it.

Again, people do not seem to understand what pixel response time does.

 

It's about ghosting. Not how fast you can react to stuff.

[Praesi]

2 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

 

 

Again, people do not seem to understand what pixel response time does.

 

It's about ghosting. Not how fast you can react to stuff.

4ms or 1ms has zero impact on ghosting. Its just marketing.

[Sakkura]

3 hours ago, Praesi said:

4ms or 1ms has zero impact on ghosting. Its just marketing.

The numbers are cherrypicked, so you can't rely on them. Obviously if 4ms was a real-world figure it would be more than good enough to avoid visible ghosting. In practice, most 4ms monitors are probably still fine even though the real response time is considerably higher. But there might be a few where the difference between paper specs and real-world performance are enough to actually make it visible.

[System Error Message]

is 1ms response time worth it? Absolutely.

Is mechanical keyboard worth it? Absolutely

Is 4k worth it? Absolutely

is gsync/freesync worth it? Absolutely

Is 144hz worth it? Absolutely

is a dedicated sound card with 7.1 sound setup at 24 bit 96 khz worth it? Absolutely

Is a threadripper worth it? Absolutely

is a titan xp or vega fe worth it? Absolutely

Is having 100s of GBs of ram worth it? Absolutely

is nvme worth it? Absolutely

You can argue all you want but this is from personal experience.

 

1ms is worth it because its not only the lag of the monitor between whats happening and whats displayed but also how fast the monitor changes when the screen goes blank which happens a lot when you launch full screen graphical applications or when games switch scenes sometimes. Response times arent really high, you cant blame display port or HDMI either but some displays just have very slow chips in them (such as tvs which linus pointed out).

 

When you start adding up response times it matters, hence having low response times for various components can help a lot.

[pyrojoe34]

7 hours ago, Sakkura said:

 

 

Again, people do not seem to understand what pixel response time does.

 

It's about ghosting. Not how fast you can react to stuff.

I understand this. I still stand by my statement. With the exception of tests made to specifically enhance the effect I don't believe (obviously it would need to be properly tested to be sure) that even professionals would be able to tell the difference reliably in games.

[ShoshinUK]

Monitor input lag is far more significant for competitive gaming from what I have experienced. I could absolutely tell the difference between monitors with around 35ms and 10ms input lag in FPS.

This is in relation to noticing 1ms or 5ms response time monitors, I never tested a monitor with say 10ms plus.

 

 

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On 9/21/2017 at 3:56 AM, samcool55 said:

Your brain usually requires 100ms to process what you sense so the difference between 4ms and 1ms won't make any difference at all.

This has nothing to do with how long your brain takes to process an image it sees.  If you look at a blurry image, even a still one, you still see it's blurry.